Another example of why "Replacement Theology" is just wrong!!& So Jesus Lived in Occupied Territory?


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A lot of people do not quite understand the implications of RT. The doctrine itself, in a nutshell, replaces Israel with the church. Many, not all, Preterists and Post-Mil and Amil adherents support this teaching. A while back I posted a thread on this which detailed just what RT is. In post #13 I specified how the doctrine was used for wickedness and killing Jewish people. It is amazing how blind so many in the Church are. In the History of Christianity the only times that Christianity was beheld as wicked is when the "Wicked" were calling the shots! When False Doctrine abounds wickedness is the fruit.

Please take a look if you did not read the thread or want a refresher:

Today I was reading Jan Markell's Newsletter and she brings RT to the forefront again. Again, RT is giving Christianity a Bad-Name and especially those of us who believe in the Pre-Mil-Pro-Israel position. RT is being used to call out to the world that we should be on the side of the Islamic Palestinian squatters. RT attacks Israel as the enemy. RT tells the world that Israel is wrong and implies any judgment should come on her not the Palestinian Liberation supporters.

The view of Christianity they are trying to represent to the world and MUSLIMS is that Israel lost their rights with God and that the True church is on the side of Islam!!

Sorry but I am not buying it!!! Please do not be seduced into this grievous error that helped kill 6-10 million people during WWII.

Here is Jan's newsletter:

So Jesus Lived in Occupied Territory?
By Jan Markell
February 15, 2012

A terrible tragedy will take place March 5-9 in the holy city of Bethlehem. Our Lord's city of birth will host a conference called, "Christ at the Checkpoint." Which Christ? Not the Christ of the Bible. The premise of the event is that the Palestinians live under brutal Israeli "occupation." It is supposedly so bad that Israel is accused of apartheid-like treatment of the Palestinians such as the "separation" experienced in South Africa. The symbol for all of this is the wall of separation between Palestinian territories and Israeli land. Their perception is that this represents a military checkpoint. Israel's perception -- and reality -- is that the wall saves Israeli lives.

Some 30 Christian leaders will be gathering at the Bethlehem Bible College to raise the banner of "Palestinian Liberation Theology" as the only true hope for reconciliation and peace in the Middle East. The target of the speakers will also be Israel's divine right to the land.

"Christian Zionism" will be "brought into the conversation" during the conference--but you can bet not in a friendly manner. No matter how benign Christian Zionism is, the Left side of Christianity's aisle believes we look forward to Armageddon and we blindly root for the Israelis because they're the chief players on the end-time stage and feel Israel has a right to their land. If the truth were known, we're a puny band of evangelical Christians who are even outcasts in most of the major denominations today.

Christian Zionists are roundly scolded by this crowd. You can read that here. Our biggest problem is that we take the Bible literally! When did that almost become a crime? "Checkpoint" folks say we Christian Zionists support the "occupation" but it isn't an occupation! We rejoice that on May 14, 1948, God just kept His word. Tony Campolo scolds us, too. We're blind followers of Schofield and Darby and we need to get over it.

"Christ at the Checkpoint" says Christian Zionism is a political movement that is "ethnocentric," privileging one people at the expense of others. Christianity calls believers in Jesus to focus on building God's kingdom on earth, says Checkpoint publicity, and not futuristic speculations. It is tragic how this bunch sweeps under the rug God's continued covenant with Israel. These folks have no appreciation of the "last days" spoken of so frequently in the Bible. "Christ at the Checkpoint" theologians do not want to consider Jesus as the Messiah of the Jewish people, someday returning to earth to set up His kingdom in Jerusalem to rule as the last Davidic King. Then they would have to acknowledge the continuance of the Abrahamic covenant with the modern state of Israel.

"Palestinian Liberation Theology" is heralded, however. It is all about the Palestinian struggle for "freedom" from their "occupied land." Followers of this sentiment see the Israelis as an "occupier" trying to oppress the Palestinians. Reality shows that Israel has worked them into their society, given them seats in the Israeli parliament, and given them a decent standard of living. Israel gave the Palestinians so much freedom that they let them elect the terror group Hamas to govern them. As a thank you, Hamas shells Israeli towns and settlements regularly. This conference will tell the world -- and the church -- that Israel brings this on due to their repression.

Many of the participants are part of the "religious Left" but some evangelicals show up yearly, including Lynne Hybels, wife of Willow Creek's Pastor Bill Hybels. We believe she should know better.

The most troubling person at such events is Vicar Stephen Sizer who has a war against the Jews as well as Christian Zionists. It seems he cannot -- or perhaps chooses not -- to see the brutality of Israel's enemies. Sizer writes books against Christians who stand with Israel but he has a distinct aversion towards talking about Israelis being brutally slaughtered. To him, the now-infamous wall represents repression rather than safety.

To balance his position, Sizer needed to speak out a year ago when a family was wiped out in Itamar, Israel. The Fogel family has become the symbol of Palestinian aggression, not Israeli aggression. In watching sessions of past Checkpoint conferences, I hear little or no reference to the root of the conflict. I hear a one-sided argument that is decidedly anti-Israel in tone and a case consistently made for Israel as Goliath slaying David every day.

The Checkpoint conference claims to oppose "all forms of violence and racism." Yet a few of the Checkpoint speakers -- including Sizer -- have given me reason to question this. Why? In part because at least Sizer seems to be a defender of the Gaza flotilla sent to Israel in May 2010 by Turkish Islamists. Those on the Turkish boat headed for Gaza were lovers of jihad. Participants on that ship sang songs calling for the murder of Jews.

I maintain you cannot have conservative Christians take an event like "Christ at the Checkpoint" seriously when Stephen Sizer is on the program unless you have a blatant Christian Zionist like me on the ticket as well. Someone needs to challenge this guy and reveal just who is the real racist. Sizer does not like Jews.

Critics of this event are scorned for not considering the issues of peace, justice, and reconciliation. The truth is, we recognize only the millennial kingdom as a time of peace and justice. Reconciliation with the Palestinians is not possible due to their corrupt leadership. The Arab world has wanted the Palestinian people to be political pawns for 60 years so they stuck them in squalid refugee camps decades ago. That is the real reason there can be no peace. Hard line Hamas and Fatah leadership stand in the way, not the Israelis. This conference will not address that.

The tragic roots of Replacement Theology can be cited as the fuel driving events like this. The church did not replace Israel. If God could forsake the Jew, He could also turn His back on the Christian. Replacement Theology allowed the church to go along with Adolph Hitler 75 years ago. God forbid the church participates -- or looks the other way -- in some future Holocaust. Frankly, Replacement Theology replaces reality.

Even some solid evangelicals were perplexed as to how all the promises to Israel could unfold before the 1940s. When it blossomed in 1948, students of the Bible should have collectively stood up and cheered and not jeered as a few denominations did. Today the "miracle of the millennium" is living proof that God is not a liar. "Christ at the Checkpoint" will not talk about this. Instead they will grumble about Israel's brutal "occupation." Jesus lived and ministered in that "occupied territory" but that won't change their perspective.

Words like "occupation" and "checkpoint" are incendiary -- almost war-like. I realize my response could be as well. Ever feel like you can't take it anymore? With apologies, I acknowledge that's where I'm at.

God Bless! And may God bless Israel and Jan Markell!

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Re: Another example of why "Replacement Theology" is just wrong!!& So Jesus Lived in Occupied Territ

Good article, thanks for posting.

Below is from a link in the article you posted. I just put it up to make it easier to read, sometimes I forget to check embeded links when reading an article.

Below mentions "spiritual Israel", no different than than replacement theology in my book though I have heard Pastors speak against R/T then turn around and say the Church is "spiritual Israel".:doh: Makes no sense to me.

Hope this doesn't derail. Does anyone have any links to articles specifically about the topic "spiritual Israel" as this is the term I have heard used more in the church.

Replacement Theology
by Anonymous, 1989


There is a lot of confusion going around these days about God's
promises, even among our own ranks here at (unnamed organization).
I'd like to take this opportunity to dispel a little of the confusion.

There is a powerful movement afoot called Replacement Theology
which states that the church is Israel and the promises given to
Israel were primarily for the church. This movement is
incurring the wrath of God, as it increasingly condemns the
nation of Israel as illegitimate, which is natural for folks who
believe the church has replaced Israel. Even among those who
still hold to Israel to one degree or another, there seems to be
a propensity for yanking Old Testament promises out of the Bible
-- and, I might add, out of context -- and indiscriminately
applying them to modern church situations. The tendency is to
select those promises which fit church theology (like healing,
prosperity, victory) and ignore those which do not (like
punishment for rebellion, keeping of feasts, sacrifices). To
set the record straight: the church did not yet exist when
those promises were given, and they were not given to Israel as
a "type" of the church until the church should inherit them.
The Old Testament promises were given to Israel, and they apply
to Israel. Many of them ALSO apply to the church in a general
way, and many of them apply to all nations in a general way, and
many of them apply only to Israel. We have got to quit assuming
that just because some teacher of the Word says the Bible says
something is ours, that it is. We must understand the situation
and context in which the promises were given -- promises of
blessing and/or cursing, of redemption, et-cetera -- before we
can understand the promises themselves.

Let's take as an example 2 Chronicles 7:14. Most people today
are familiar with that verse, but unfortunately the vast
majority of the church in America seems to have gotten the idea
somewhere -- not from God -- that the promise is to America. It
most assuredly is not. Let us read the passage in its context
(2 Chronicles 7:11-20):

Thus Solomon finished the house of the Lord and the
king's palace, and successfully completed all that
he had planned on doing in the house of the Lord and
in his palace. Then the Lord appeared to Solomon at
night and said to him, "I have heard your prayer,
and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of
sacrifice. If I shut up the heavens so that there
is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the
land, or if I send pestilence among My people, and
My people who are called by My Name [over whom My
Name is called] humble themselves and pray, and seek
My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will
hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and
will heal their land. Now My eyes shall be open and
My ears attentive the prayer of this place. For now
I have chosen and consecrated this house that My
Name may be there forever, and My eyes and My heart
will be there perpetually."

The context here is the completion and dedication of the temple
in Israel. Note God's promise concerning "this house".
Speaking to Israel, the Lord promised to forgive the nation and
heal the land if the nation would repent. The entire nation is
called "My people". Israel is called by God's Name. This
promise was NOT given to Japan, Albania, or the United States,
none of which is a nation "called by My Name". Unfortunately,
we in western society have twisted the meaning for our own
supposed benefit to allegedly say, "If My people which are
called by My Name (the Christians within the country) ..." But
it does not say that. Now the promise CAN apply to a nation
other than Israel in a general way: certainly if any nation
(America included) will repent, God will restore the nation and
forgive the sin and heal the land. The key is the distinction
between who is Israel and who is not. If the church is Israel,
then one can truly say, "If the believers will repent and pray,
I'll restore their land." But believers have already repented,
or else they wouldn't be believers! The confusion comes from
erroneously assuming the church is modern "spiritual Israel",
having replaced national Israel.
It does not say "If the
Christians will pray and intercede and repent". Repent of what?
The believers are already the righteousness of God in Jesus, and
it's not for the righteousness of the believing 1% that America
will be judged, but for the sin of the wicked 99% who refuse to
repent. The promise concerns a NATION repenting, not God's
people WITHIN A NATION repenting and praying. We are the temple
of the Holy Spirit, it is true, but our repentance does not
nullify the justice and righteousness of God. He cannot leave
America unjudged and remain a righteous judge!

Elsewhere in the Bible we find the answer to how God deals with
a wicked nation where a few people are righteous. This is one
of those passages the modern Word of Faith and Kingdom Now
people like to avoid, because it pretty well debunks their
misinterpretation of 2 Chronicles 7:14. This is found in
Ezekiel 14:13-20, and it is one of those places which speaks of
all nations in general (starting with verse 21 -- not quoted
here -- the Lord starts to apply it directly to Israel):

"Son of man, if a country sins against Me by
committing unfaithfulness, and I stretch out My hand
against it, destroy its supply of bread, send famine
against it, and cut off from it both man and beast,
even though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job
were in its midst, by their own righteousness they
could only deliver themselves," declares the Lord
God. "If I were to cause wild beasts to pass
through the land, and they bereave of children, and
it became desolate so that no one would pass through
it because of the beasts, though these three men
were in its midst, as I live," declares the Lord
God, "they could not deliver either their sons or
their daughters. They alone would be delivered, but
the country would be desolate. Or if I should bring
a sword on that country and say, 'Let the sword pass
through the country and cut off man and beast from
it,' even though these three men were in its midst,
as I live," declares the Lord God, "they could not
deliver either their sons or their daughters, but
they alone would be delivered. Or if I should send
a plague against that country and pour out My wrath
in blood on it, to cut off man and beast from it,
even though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in its midst,
as I live," declares the Lord God, "they could not
deliver either their son or their daughter. They
would deliver only themselves by their

Can our righteousness deliver America? What does God say about
it? The only people who will be delivered are the righteous,
and we've got to quit praying out of God's will and asking Him
to deliver the wicked, because He is a righteous and just God
and He will judge sin. The smart thing is to get your sin
judged on the cross so you're free of it and you don't get
judged yourself. We need to pray for people to get saved, and
for wisdom for our leaders, and whatever else the Word tells us
to do. But know this: God is about to judge this nation. It
is His will to do so, indeed, He MUST do so. It is NOT His will
that any perish, but that all be saved. Nevertheless, Scripture
is clear that God hates sin, and He will destroy the nation that
continues to sin. He will also leave a righteous remnant.

The next time you hear someone quoting 2 Chronicles 7:14 over
America and admonishing you to pray for restoration of America,
just remember God isn't going to restore America. God is
restoring Israel now, and human government is coming to an end,
because the Messiah is about to return as King of kings and Lord
of lords; and soon the Word will be fulfilled which says, "The
kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and
He shall reign forever and ever." Why should God put off
Messiah's return so Americans could enjoy a few more years of
materialism and debauchery? We need to get in on what God is
doing, not try to make Him conform to American Christianity and
an American Jesus.


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Re: Another example of why "Replacement Theology" is just wrong!!& So Jesus Lived in Occupied Territ

Sorry but I never read long posts, but I get the point.

Hank Hanagraff is big on the whole Israel being replaced by the Church. He teaches God "is of no respecter persons" there for He (God) has no peoples he is favoring over another. I believe thats all taken out of context and Hank is way off in his teaching there of.

I heard of replacement theology but never really knew or understood what it was, thanks for the posted info.