Amy Grant to Host Same-Sex Wedding

[furyus]

Could it be that your perception might be off? And yes you are right, this is a discussion forum and that was exactly why this thread was created. You came to the forum and saw people discussing it. I didn't see anyone casting the first stone, but they did notice that what she is doing is not right as clearly explained above by the poster RestInHim.

Some people appease the world, conform to the world, etc. because they think that by doing so they will be liked, can witness for Christ, etc. by promoting or agreeing with the world. But you can't witness for Christ when you represent the devil. Homosexuality is the devil's work. Plain and simple. So it adultery, rape, and other sexual sins. None of it justifiable. It is all wrong. Repent to means to change your mind about something. It doesn't mean stop doing something. The problem is that this people who claim to be "gay" Christians are in general not repenting of their sins. They see nothing wrong with what they are doing. "God made me this way" they say.

God most certainly did NOT make them that way. The truth is they chose to be that way. They have fallen prey to the tactics of the evil one who roams around like a lion seeking those whom he can devour. Homosexuality is not natural or normal. Not physically nor spiritually.

We must tell people that. When we wink and nod to their sins we are participating in their sins with them. We are not telling them the truth. People need to be told the truth. Their eternal destinies are at stake. It actually would not be love if we did not tell them about their errors. We don't need to tell them with condemning words, but with the truth of God and with a genuine helpful tactics to see the truth.

It is important for the Church to see and speak about evil when we see it. It alerts others of "creeping" sins and deadly subtle attacks on the Church.

If we the Church do not do that, who is going to? The answer is no one. And that is what the devil is counting on. As the old saying goes something like "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men (people) to do nothing!"

All true, but you know what else is the devil’s work? Pride. Gluttony. Laziness. Impatience. Jealousy. Strife. Dishonesty. Gossip. Lust. Disrespect. I’m sure you could come up with a few more. After you wake up in the morning, can you go one hour without committing one of these sins in your heart? The penalty is the same as if you hosted a gay wedding.

 

[Chris]

This I do know, Jesus Christ loves Amy Grant, and if she was born-again she will be saved regardless of how many gay weddings she hosts (and yes, there may be earthly consequence). I cling to this hope, because that means he’ll save me, too, in spite of myself.

Yes, this is true. However, we should not give the appearance that "hosting gay marriages" or any other similar event is something that a Christian should do.

You give them an inch, they take a mile. Remember when the gays said they just wanted to get married? Now they want us to call them certain things (pronouns), have drag queens twerk to your kids in public libraries, put pornographic books in school libraries, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. It will never stop until they have destroyed the family unit. And many admit that is what they want to do.

As the Bible tells us "avoid the appearance of evil" and that includes stuff like in the OP.

We must speak up while we still can. Eternal destinies are at stake here.

 

[furyus]

Yes, this is true. However, we should not give the appearance that "hosting gay marriages" or any other similar event is something that a Christian should do.

You give them an inch, they take a mile. Remember when the gays said they just wanted to get married? Now they want us to call them certain things (pronouns), have drag queens twerk to your kids in public libraries, put pornographic books in school libraries, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. It will never stop until they have destroyed the family unit. And many admit that is what they want to do.

As the Bible tells us "avoid the appearance of evil" and that includes stuff like in the OP.

We must speak up while we still can. Eternal destinies are at stake here.

100% agree. It is clear that there is a coordinated effort from the pit to go after our children.

 

[Chris]

All true, but you know what else is the devil’s work? Pride. Gluttony. Laziness. Impatience. Jealousy. Strife. Dishonesty. Gossip. Lust. Disrespect. I’m sure you could come up with a few more. After you wake up in the morning, can you go one hour without committing one of these sins in your heart? The penalty is the same as if you hosted a gay wedding.

But the difference here is that I confess all my sins and agree that they are like filthy rags. I ask the Lord to please forgive me of ALL my sins. That they are ALL wrong. I make NO EXCUSES for them.

Amy Grant as others said does not say that. That is the difference. I don't think you are seeing that. I don't know why that is?

We are to speak out on sins, not condone it. Love the sinner, but not the sin. None of us are better than another.

 

[SarahRose]

A lot of us here at RF have family/friends in the LGBTQ lifestyle. We still love them and pray for them continually but we don’t perform their marriages or say “love is love” because that would be us participating in and condoning it, which God doesn’t want us to do.

It’s okay to call it out when something is clearly, biblically wrong. Amy Grant, being a Christian artist that many people follow and look up to, is wrong on this.

 

[RestInHim]

I can’t say anything you’ve written is not true, but I can say I interpret things differently. When the Lord said “Go and sin no more” I don’t believe He meant go and live a sinless life. I don’t see how a sinless life is possible because of our nature. I don’t know about you, but considering the standard is holy perfection, I quickly fall into despair when I examine my own depravity, and I’ve been a Christian for 33 years. While I don’t defend what Amy Grant is doing, when I see some of the harsher responses to her behavior I have to wonder what sin has entangled her accusers. It’s why they invented the word hypocrisy. This I do know, Jesus Christ loves Amy Grant, and if she was born-again she will be saved regardless of how many gay weddings she hosts (and yes, there may be earthly consequence). I cling to this hope, because that means he’ll save me, too, in spite of myself.

Confronting a sinning brother or sister in Christ is to restore them to a place of forgiveness with Christ and the Church. Your right, we will continue to sin as long as we are in the flesh, but, we have been given the power of the Holy Spirit and the whole armor of God to grow in Christlikeness. Not make excuses for our sin. (Rom. 6) I want God's word to grow my faith and I want the Church to do what Jesus taught in Matthew 18.

Should we not want to be obedient to God's word? Isn't it a relationship with Him what He wants from us?

So, if all Christians are saved and hypocrites are you saying we should just all go and live the way WE want to, not how God wants us to? Is it OUR will or HIS?

He won't force any Christian to live out His will, but, that is where we all have to make our own choices.

 

[furyus]

Definitely not saying all are hypocrites, but I bet all are guilty of hypocritical behavior, myself included. I agree that confronting a brother or sister in sin for restoration is good. But Amy Grant isn’t here to confront, and probably doesn’t even know this forum exists. And SOME (qualifier) folks posting in this thread seem quite pleased with themselves in condemning Grant’s behavior. Perhaps not directly but that sure is the tone I’m picking up. Not a sermon, just a thought (ha ha! Love Lon Solomon).

 

[JSTyler]

But the difference here is that I confess all my sins and agree that they are like filthy rags. I ask the Lord to please forgive me of ALL my sins. That they are ALL wrong. I make NO EXCUSES for them.

Amy Grant as others said does not say that. That is the difference. I don't think you are seeing that. I don't know why that is?

We are to speak out on sins, not condone it. Love the sinner, but not the sin. None of us are better than another.

Yepper!

We're in 1 Peter 2:4-9 territory here.

If we're called to be; a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

We should do our best to live it out for the sake of all who see.

 

[furyus]

But the difference here is that I confess all my sins and agree that they are like filthy rags. I ask the Lord to please forgive me of ALL my sins. That they are ALL wrong. I make NO EXCUSES for them.

Amy Grant as others said does not say that. That is the difference. I don't think you are seeing that. I don't know why that is?

We are to speak out on sins, not condone it. Love the sinner, but not the sin. None of us are better than another.

Hate to break it to you, brother, but it isn’t your sin that is like filthy rags, it’s your righteousness. Big difference. Isaiah 64:6

 

[JSTyler]

And SOME (qualifier) folks posting in this thread seem quite pleased with themselves in condemning Grant’s behavior.

I haven't taken this personally, so my comments are alongside, not directed or combative. If I'm condemning her, which I'm not as I'm instead, questioning the rotten fruit, it's not for her behavior but the lack thereof. Guilt isn't always about what we do but can often be what we don't do. She chose to live out the public position/life of celebrity, she veils it in Christianity which bears a tremendous responsibility and obligatory expectations, and when that responsibility is obviously abdicated or abandoned in the same public arena, it's very obvious and extremely disappointing.

 

[RestInHim]

Hate to break it to you, brother, but it isn’t your sin that is like filthy rags, it’s your righteousness. Big difference. Isaiah 64:6

Cmon. Even I know he made a mistake. It sounds to me like you just want to keep arguing. I don't see anyone condemning Amy Grant! And, it's been said more than once as well as why we are discussing it. I'm sure you can go back and read all the responses.

 

[Chris]

Definitely not saying all are hypocrites, but I bet all are guilty of hypocritical behavior, myself included. I agree that confronting a brother or sister in sin for restoration is good. But Amy Grant isn’t here to confront, and probably doesn’t even know this forum exists. And SOME (qualifier) folks posting in this thread seem quite pleased with themselves in condemning Grant’s behavior. Perhaps not directly but that sure is the tone I’m picking up. Not a sermon, just a thought (ha ha! Love Lon Solomon).

She doesn't need to be here to defend her behavior. Because she can't defend it. It is unbiblical.

 

[soundingthealarm]

This is a forum about the last days and one of the things the Word of God told us to watch for and beware of in the last days is a “falling away.” We are told to be as the Bereans… to examine things in the light of His Word, we are told to “test all things” and in the context of the forum and the time at hand is why I shared the OP And in the section of the forum that it is.

When someone of her clout and position she had held comes out and proudly lets the world and the Church know she’s doing something of such magnitude that obviously flies in the face of her named Lord and Savior I think it merits being alarmed and hence being newsworthy in the section it is.

If Tim Tebow was to come out and say to sports news outlets
he was taking his single friends to a strip club cause even though he was a Christian it was ok, God will bless their night and Grace will abound…no harm no foul…I’m not going to judge Tim’s salvation and I’m not gonna throw any stones from a glass house but I would say it was way off the mark (sin) and would discuss it here in the context of hoping Tim would come to repentance (changing his mind about endorsing christians going to a strip club.)

Its just alarming to have someone like Amy who made her living as a ministry/singing in Jesus Name to come out and in His Name endorse something that blatantly-boldly flies in total contradiction to what she has stood for.

it’s just another huge symptom of the falling away, kind of how there came a point in time in America … a church decided to be relevant in the name of outreach and seeker friendly…that they started playing AC/DC “in church” instead of praise n worship.

 

[Chris]

This is a forum about the last days and one of the things the Word of God told us to watch for and beware of in the last days is a “falling away.” We are told to be as the Bereans… to examine things in the light of His Word, we are told to “test all things” and in the context of the forum and the time at hand is why I shared the OP And in the section of the forum that it is.

When someone of her clout and position she had held comes out and proudly lets the world and the Church know she’s doing something of such magnitude that obviously flies in the face of her named Lord and Savior I think it merits being alarmed and hence being newsworthy in the section it is.

If Tim Tebow was to come out and say to sports news outlets
he was taking his single friends to a strip club cause even though he was a Christian it was ok, God will bless their night and Grace will abound…no harm no foul…I’m not going to judge Tim’s salvation and I’m not gonna throw any stones from a glass house but I would say it was way off the mark (sin) and would discuss it here in the context of hoping Tim would come to repentance (changing his mind about endorsing christians going to a strip club.)

Its just alarming to have someone like Amy who made her living as a ministry/singing in Jesus Name to come out and in His Name endorse something that blatantly-boldly flies in total contradiction to what she has stood for.

it’s just another huge symptom of the falling away, kind of how there came a point in time in America … a church decided to be relevant in the name of outreach and seeker friendly…that they started playing AC/DC “in church” instead of praise n worship.

Very well said. And that was an excellent example regarding Tebow. You nailed it there.

It is people when people try to defend these kind of behaviors and then try to silence those who speak out about it that causes great harm to the Church. They throw labels around like "hypocrites, casting stones, etc." in order to try to play on people's emotions in order to silence them. I'm glad that we have a strong group of people here at RF that will not bend the knee to satan and his cronies who do his work. Keep standing for God's truth!

 

[Jan51]

Definitely not saying all are hypocrites, but I bet all are guilty of hypocritical behavior, myself included. I agree that confronting a brother or sister in sin for restoration is good. But Amy Grant isn’t here to confront, and probably doesn’t even know this forum exists. And SOME (qualifier) folks posting in this thread seem quite pleased with themselves in condemning Grant’s behavior. Perhaps not directly but that sure is the tone I’m picking up. Not a sermon, just a thought (ha ha! Love Lon Solomon).

Sounds like you might criticize Paul himself for his frequent calling out of false teachers, none of whom were present. You might argue she is not a "teacher" but when a Christian is a public figure and is putting out Christian music, then the Bible does consider them a teacher, Eph. 5:17-21, Col. 3:16, because our music shows our theology. She does not need to be present to be called out, because she is a public figure and is making public statements. She is making a theological statement that sin is not really sin.

No one said that if she is a Christian, she is no longer saved. Whether she is saved is not the topic here.

And your comment "hate to break it to you, brother" does sound condescending, if not self-righteous. You continually criticize the attitude of people while displaying quite a bit of attitude yourself.

 

[Chris]

Sounds like you might criticize Paul himself for his frequent calling out of false teachers, none of whom were present. You might argue she is not a "teacher" but when a Christian is a public figure and is putting out Christian music, then the Bible does consider them a teacher, Eph. 5:17-21, Col. 3:16, because our music shows our theology. She does not need to be present to be called out, because she is a public figure and is making public statements. She is making a theological statement that sin is not really sin.

No one said that if she is a Christian, she is no longer saved. Whether she is saved is not the topic here.

And your comment "hate to break it to you, brother" does sound condescending, if not self-righteous. You continually criticize the attitude of people while displaying quite a bit of attitude yourself.

Very good points Jan. Thank you.

 

[Amethyst]

And you come across as a troll.

And perhaps a bit condescending...and perhaps like someone who enjoys stirring the manure as my husband used to say...

Using a red Angry looking avatar with the name “Furious” and first post ever on the board is jumping in and sitting in self righteousness on other Christians here? Accusing us of lacking reading comprehension?

 

[Andy C]

OK, but Amy Grant isn’t here to defend herself, so having a bunch a folks sitting around writing “Can you believe what she did?“ doesn’t strike me as terribly productive or I don’t know, being an imitator of Christ. I’m guilty, too. I’ll be reading at home and I’ll ask my wife, rhetorically, can you believe what these woke idiots are doing now? So I’m just as guilty as you non-appeasers. But wow, pop in this forum sometime without knowing who is here or how it’s run, and a good lot of you come across as legalistic, unforgiving hypocrites.

The Lord hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors, who were real dirt bags back in the day (they’re so nice nowadays). I’ve heard it said, and I agree, that one of the reasons the Pharisees hated Jesus is because not only did He hang out with hookers and tax collectors, He seemed to like doing it. He enjoyed their company. Jesus loves Amy Grant. That gives me hope, and should to the lot of you as well.

After reading all this thread, especially your comments, Im not sure if you came here to fellowship with this body of believers, or to point fingers.

Perhaps an introduction of you in the new members meet and greet thread will help.

 

[Andiamo]

someone who enjoys stirring the manure

I love that.
Yep, stinky in this thread

 

[Wally]

Its our new nature fighting our old.

We see evil. We know the effects of sin. There is fear, knowledge if the fruits of sin, and the death it produces.

Then anger appears over the defacing or adulteration of God's Word and the destruction of life it will produce.

We're at a crossroads where sometimes our old nature derails the train and we become self-righteous, or we are prodded by the Spirit - were it not for grace -
we'd still be blind and wallowing in the mud.

May we always be compassionate and considering our own salvation when engaging the sin of others.
And be bold enough not to compromise on God's Word.

But often it takes the distillation of discussion to purify the issue,

Amy, Consider God's Word. Do not compromise. You can still be compassionate.

And also consider: grabbing someone and forcefully pulling them off the train tracks is FAR MORE Loving,

than standing with them and praying God will accept that we don't think trains are evil in themselves.