pixelpusher
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I have heard this referred to as a "judgment of abandonment", and I believe we are seeing it in widespread effect today, and for some time now.
America Is Not Exempt From Judgment
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Bethlehem57
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Agree! Look at who we have for a leader and what’s happening here and all over the world! God appointed leaders, good and evil for Israel; just as He does today worldwide.
"necrophilia lawn decorating season.......what a great description.....
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But isn't the act of giving people over to a reprobate mind a judgment in and of itself? The greek work for "judge" is "krino", which means to come to a decision. When God makes His judgment, it involves an action, and although this particular word is not speficially mentioned in Romans 1, the mere fact it involves an action on God's part I believe makes it a form of judgment. Or at the very least, an action that is preparatory to even more severe judgments.
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Abington School District v Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, June 17, 1963, the date SCOTUS took corporate Christian prayer and the Bible, and thus God, out of the public schools and the society that flows from them, is the moment God was kicked out of the United States.
:apost 
Even though I was pretty little, I can personally attest to the night-and-day difference in school WITH
and school WITHOUT We are commanded to be salt and light and carry out The Great Commission.
Occupy until He comes
Dear God, please hurry up!!!
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I think parts of Ezekiel 38 and 39 refer to us. Judgement is coming to the United States (and probably Canada) at the hands of the Russians (Gog) and later at the Hand of God. The good thing is that the people of Magog and "them that dwell carelessly in the isles" will know that the God of the Bible is The Lord
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Ezekiel 38:10-13,KJV
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
Ezekiel 39:6, KJV
I'd just as soon not be here for this, but if The Lord tarries and I am, it's OK because Jesus Christ already won the important war on my behalf, so I get to live forever
Until then, I'd best be about The Lord's work that He set out for me. I'd hate for Jesus to come back and call me a lazy, wicked servant, even though that's what I am. 
Kenny64
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1 Thessalonians 5:9I think parts of Ezekiel 38 and 39 refer to us. Judgement is coming to the United States (and probably Canada) at the hands of the Russians (Gog) and later at the Hand of God. The good thing is that the people of Magog and "them that dwell carelessly in the isles" will know that the God of the Bible is The Lord
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Ezekiel 38:10-13,KJV
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
Ezekiel 39:6, KJV
I'd just as soon not be here for this, but if The Lord tarries and I am, it's OK because Jesus Christ already won the important war on my behalf, so I get to live forever
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Could be, it can be confusing. The Old Testament is full of His many clear judgements but the New Testament seems to only list judgements that will hit the entire planet during the tribulation.
Judgements, wrath, or even withholding a level of protection, all are from Him, and none of us want to be caught up in them.
What I do know with 100 percent certainty is - judgements are coming.
KenE@21B
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I am a South African (born in Rhodesia) and grew up watching the 'American dream' turn into what is now a dystopian nightmare!
I am somewhat confused and extremely concerned about the future of America from a Biblical point of view.
In my lifetime, the USA has (often) been the only ally of Israel in a world which still seeks her utter annihilation - and look as I may, I do not see the USA play any role in the defense of Israel against overwhelming odds in the apocalyptic Scriptures!
Why is that?
What could have happened to the USA to render her completely unable (or unwilling) to stand by Israel in her time of need?
Could it be that her military might has been rendered inoperable by EMPs?
Has she been returned to days of the wild West through cyber-terrorism?
Has she been struck by natural disasters so great (read Cascadia, San Andreas, Yellowstone) that all she can do is try to help her own people?
Is the USA depicted as 'Babylon the Great' which has fallen, to the astonishment of the world which had for so long admired and envied her?
Any and all of these scenarios are possible.
Many RF members have stated that the USA has slidden into Godlessness and post-Christianity during the past two generations - and this once great, God-fearing nation, founded on pure Biblical principles is now no different from any of the others around the world, where only those who 'endure to the end' will be saved.
I am somewhat confused and extremely concerned about the future of America from a Biblical point of view.
In my lifetime, the USA has (often) been the only ally of Israel in a world which still seeks her utter annihilation - and look as I may, I do not see the USA play any role in the defense of Israel against overwhelming odds in the apocalyptic Scriptures!
Why is that?
What could have happened to the USA to render her completely unable (or unwilling) to stand by Israel in her time of need?
Could it be that her military might has been rendered inoperable by EMPs?
Has she been returned to days of the wild West through cyber-terrorism?
Has she been struck by natural disasters so great (read Cascadia, San Andreas, Yellowstone) that all she can do is try to help her own people?
Is the USA depicted as 'Babylon the Great' which has fallen, to the astonishment of the world which had for so long admired and envied her?
Any and all of these scenarios are possible.
Many RF members have stated that the USA has slidden into Godlessness and post-Christianity during the past two generations - and this once great, God-fearing nation, founded on pure Biblical principles is now no different from any of the others around the world, where only those who 'endure to the end' will be saved.
I certainly think God does judge nations in this day and age. But we're still in the time where His judgement always contains His mercy and call to repentance. I do think the West is being judged and if we don't repent that will be the end of our dominance on the world scene. Our reprobate minds and our being given over to our self-destructive base desires are quite the indictments. I certainly think our society deserves whatever is coming its way but I keep hoping people wake up and turn back to God.
Carl
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We certainly aren't the same as the defenders of Fort McHenry in the war of 1812! England decided to take back Ft McHenry. Francis Scott Key was commissioned by the US to negotiate with England to trade prisoners of war. So he went to Ft. McHenry to meet with the British to negotiate. The British Admiral invited him on board the flag ship to talk. The Admiral told Francis that it was all going to be over by dawn, so he can tell the prisoners they will be released in the morning. Then the Admiral asked Francis to look out to sea. He asked if Francis could see all the little dots on the horizon. He said that is the rest of the English navy coming to take back the colonies.
The ships came and the shelling started. After 4 hours the flag was still flying as the Americans refused to capitulate and surrender by lowering the flag. The Admiral then ordered all the ships to fire on the flag. Mean while the Americans kept the flag flying by bracing the flag pole through out the shelling. The prisoners on the ship spent the night praying to God to keep the flag flying. By morning the flag pole was leaning at a funny angle, but the flag was still flying. When Francis Scott Key went ashore he saw that the flag pole was leaning because many fort personal had died bracing the flag pole and so many men died that the flag pole could not fall. That night they had said that they would rather die standing then on their knees before the English Admiral. Many gave their lives to keep America free.
The ships came and the shelling started. After 4 hours the flag was still flying as the Americans refused to capitulate and surrender by lowering the flag. The Admiral then ordered all the ships to fire on the flag. Mean while the Americans kept the flag flying by bracing the flag pole through out the shelling. The prisoners on the ship spent the night praying to God to keep the flag flying. By morning the flag pole was leaning at a funny angle, but the flag was still flying. When Francis Scott Key went ashore he saw that the flag pole was leaning because many fort personal had died bracing the flag pole and so many men died that the flag pole could not fall. That night they had said that they would rather die standing then on their knees before the English Admiral. Many gave their lives to keep America free.
GotGrace
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I catch myself having to throw down to the authority of Christ the bad words I call them in my mind. I have to turn all that off. These are difficult times for believers to be in.
Evil is getting stronger...I agree. This past 18 months has been awful....would never have thought Satan could work so fast to screw everything up. And ....he's not done. I think of the evil happening to our children. Again, where did that trans stuff come from? Out of the blue.....but thankful all the evil is a yardstick for us to see its progression.....on and on it goes....God keep your children close, keep us close to you, how much longer Lord?
I think we have to distinguish between God's discipline and God's wrath as two different types of judgement. As a parent, I would discipline my children out of love to bring them into correct behavior. I did not seek to punish them just because they deserved to be punished- that would be wrath. There is a difference between these two ideas- one is correction, the other is punishment. I believe that God does discipline the nations even today- one example would be that every time the U.S. announces a plan to divide Jerusalem, a devastating event happens to our country within days, sometimes within hours. I don't see that as coincidence. God seems to be trying to get our leaders to listen to Him and change the course of our nation. Since we are still in the age of Grace, God has withheld His ultimate destruction on us. As the Tribulation begins, God's Grace will shift to God's wrath. Yes, God will still give individual people the chance to repent and turn to Him, and those people will be eternally saved, but entire nations will face destruction for continuing to reject Jesus as Savior and rightful King of this earth. Make no mistake, that will be God's punishment, (wrath) and some nations will be so utterly destroyed that they will no longer exist. As bad as things are now as we are governed by a demented old man, bat-crazy social justice warriors, corrupt establishment politicians, and power hungry world elitists, things will be far worse when God closes the door to today's grace and unleashes His wrath. The coming days of wrath will make today's events look like a picnic.
Just to use a quick analogy, I sat through jury selection last week at our district court. A young man was being tried for marijuana possession. The judge informed us that he himself would decide the defendant's fate if the accused were convicted. The judge said that he would either sentence the man to probation (no jail) or a jail term. One was a lenient outcome,(grace) the other a punishment (wrath). Either outcome would be considered a judgement. This is how I believe it is with God. He can extend judgement even during this age of Grace, but is withholding the outcome of wrath until the time of the Tribulation.
Just to use a quick analogy, I sat through jury selection last week at our district court. A young man was being tried for marijuana possession. The judge informed us that he himself would decide the defendant's fate if the accused were convicted. The judge said that he would either sentence the man to probation (no jail) or a jail term. One was a lenient outcome,(grace) the other a punishment (wrath). Either outcome would be considered a judgement. This is how I believe it is with God. He can extend judgement even during this age of Grace, but is withholding the outcome of wrath until the time of the Tribulation.
pixelpusher
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Well said, and as parents, we always made sure the child knew why they were being disciplined, and it was not "revenge" done out of anger for whatever offense they'd done.
God has people in place, like Bill Koenig or others who can get the ear of the "leaders" and point out the cause and effect to them. And that they would take heed. Given the recent developments in Israel with Lapid and the Lebanon concession and Biden pushing for two-state ... we best batten down the hatches.
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Well said, and as parents, we always made sure the child knew why they were being disciplined, and it was not "revenge" done out of anger for whatever offense they'd done.
Perhaps chastisement/punishment of the US will be at the hand of Gog in Ezekiel 38 and by God's Hand, personally, in Ezekiel 39
Perhaps God's Wrath/punishment of the US the aftermath of
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Ezekiel 38:10-13, KJV
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.
Ezekiel 39:6-7, KJV
Looking carefully at Ezekiel 38, Gog has an evil thought against the "land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates," which I think refers tho the US and Canada, and which means we're still under God's protection, at least to a certain extent (probably due to the presence of, and for the sake of, The Church)
However, in Ezekiel 39:7, God says the heathen will know He is God, and God also identifies His people as Israel and nothing is said about His children (The Church)
PS: I think I'm
But the more I see in the news and in the US, and the more I see what people are posting here.
Well, something or someone keeps pushing me to post it.
FWIW, Bible Study at my Church right now is Ezekiel. First Sunday, we got through the first three verses
And there was so much more that Pastor could have discussed with us, but alas, time Pastor does an awesome Bible Study . . . encourages lots of questions and discussion and thinking and linking to other parts of the Bible, and no laughing at anyone and etc. 
And a LOT of the preaching and teaching from various ministries on Christian radio is also on Ezekiel right now.
I don't believe in coincidences . . . I think God is working to get the word out and linked to current events to as many people as possible . . . perhaps so as many as possible that get left behind won't believe the lie
JESUS!!!
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Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I find it easier and esier to pray for our nation the more wicked and disgusting it gets. Probably because it's more and more in my face every single day and harder to ignore or forget.
And more and more lost people keep coming here needing The Gospel. Traditional islamic (and bhuddist, hindu, animist, etc.) attire is giant neon billboard advertizing "I'm lost! I'm going to Hell! Give me The Gospel!" Eternity is a very long time
And, from a selfish perspective for myself and my neighbors, State, etc., I don't want to be judged with sharia, so we better be about The Lord's Work, blessing them with The Gospel
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JoyJoyJoy
I Shall Not Be Moved
Interesting thought @Ghoti Ichthus. We just had a Prophecy Conference at my church with the main message being...The Rapture is Near!!! ( the teaching was on the convergence of the signs of the trib and world events...if the trib is near, the Rapture is *near-er*).
Wally
Say something Righteous and Wholesome...
Often difficulties are sent our way to humble, redirect, and and encourage us to follow that narrow path we started with Christ as our Guide.
Indeed, nobody escapes judgement.
Indeed, nobody escapes judgement.
Im not sure how you get USA and Canada out of the below? The below is in reference to Israel safely dwelling without walls.
Ezekiel 38
10 Thus says the Lord God: “On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an evil plan: 11 You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates’— 12 to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land.
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