After the Rapture

[Baby Yoda]

I’ve been thinking lately that with all the talk of global fertility rates dropping all around the world, is God slowing down the addition of people into the world specifically because it’s almost time to go home? I just can’t shake this feeling every time I hear Elon talk about it, or articles written about it happening in other countries. A lot of countries seem to be starting to worry about this…

I always figured it was coming about since "they' want to depopulate the earth, but your theory is interesting.

 

[JoyJoyJoy]

What about babies, toddlers…..

During the Trib???

 

[Andy C]

During the Trib???

I assume left behind women will still be able to get pregnant during the tribulation.

 

[JoyJoyJoy]

I assume left behind women will still be able to get pregnant during the tribulation.

Oh yeah..It's in the scripture..Matthew 24:19
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Talking about when the Jews have to flee.

You think babies/young kids will have to take MOB? As for me, I have no Biblical verse to back me up, but kids can't make a decision to worship the Beast. Nor can they buy/sell. That's part of my reasoning.
The other part is what @Tall Timbers taught me long ago...we can trust God to do what is right.
I have hung my hat on that simple yet profound sentence for most of my questions and difficulties.

 

[Baby Yoda]

The other part is what @Tall Timbers taught me long ago...we can trust God to do what is right.

 

[Andy C]

You think babies/young kids will have to take MOB? As for me, I have no Biblical verse to back me up, but kids can't make a decision to worship the Beas

The wording of the scripture I posted earlier says the beast will cause all to take the MOB. So IMO, parents will willingly have the MOB put on thier young kids-if it is even required for young kids.

 

[Andy C]

The wording of the scripture I posted earlier says the beast will cause all to take the MOB. So IMO, parents will willingly have the MOB put on thier young kids-if it is even required for young kids.

Forgot to add - Yes, those left behind will make the choice to take the MOB, or flee for their life. Scripture however does not specifically state all have to make a choice because the choice is already made by the beast.

 

[Tall Timbers]

The wording of the scripture I posted earlier says the beast will cause all to take the MOB. So IMO, parents will willingly have the MOB put on thier young kids-if it is even required for young kids.

He'll cause all to take the Mark, but not all will. Otherwise there would be no living Saints to repopulate the earth after the Tribulation period is over. Since receiving the Mark ends the possibility of a person entering heaven, I don't believe children will be getting the Mark.

 

[JoyJoyJoy]

The wording of the scripture I posted earlier says the beast will cause all to take the MOB. So IMO, parents will willingly have the MOB put on thier young kids-if it is even required for young kids.

Good point Andy. Does All mean All?? Never thought of it like that

Revelation 13
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

I have often wondered does the small and great mean young and old OR is it more related to their social standing??

But I keep thinking of what Tall said,it would condemn the bearer to hell...that's why I question kids receiving or being forced to take MOB. I am just discussing with you, not arguing at all.

 

[Andy C]

Good point Andy. Does All mean All?? Never thought of it like that

I have often wondered does the small and great mean young and old OR is it more related to their social standing??

But I keep thinking of what Tall said,it would condemn the bearer to hell...that's why I question kids receiving or being forced to take MOB. I am just discussing with you, not arguing at all.

Like Mr TT, God will know who did what and who was forced against their will to take the MOB, or who was not old enough to understand.

 

[rcw618]

I always figured it was coming about since "they' want to depopulate the earth, but your theory is interesting.

And it could be both, but that might mean Satan would also recognize the times. I’m a little foggy on that concept since I can see both sides of that argument making sense (easiest answer is God reveals to him what He wants him to see)

 

[Baby Yoda]

I don't believe children will be getting the Mark.

I agree, they won't be buying and selling.

 

[Tall Timbers]

But I keep thinking of what Tall said,it would condemn the bearer to hell...that's why I question kids receiving or being forced to take MOB. I am just discussing with you, not arguing at all.

I think the main point of the Mark is swearing allegiance to and worshipping the beast. I figure the buying and selling business is just a carrot and stick to get people to reject the real God and worship the beast. Forcing it upon people, and giving it to children who aren't yet accountable would be counterproductive to that end. More likely those who won't accept the Mark AND worship the beast will get their heads lopped off or meet with some other gruesome end.

 

[Len]

Even with a time frame of a year or two between the rapture and the start of the tribulation, at most a child would be 9 at the end of the Trib, which almost all believe would be below whatever the age of accountability is

I have heard of testimonies from children as young as 6 that have made a proffession of faith in Jesus ..... my point being that "their" age of accountability was reached I think even then...

 

[katt]

I have heard of testimonies from children as young as 6 that have made a proffession of faith in Jesus ..... my point being that "their" age of accountability was reached I think even then...

The children begged for Jesus attention and the disciples said no, Jesus rebuked the disciples for not letting them come. I'm sure those children had not reached the age of accountability. Children love Jesus if allowed to learn about him, that doesn't mean they are mature enough in their heads to grasp the meaning of what Jesus represents.

 

[SarahRose]

Children love Jesus if allowed to learn about him, that doesn't mean they are mature enough in their heads to grasp the meaning of what Jesus represents.

Just speaking from my own experience here but, I agree. I had a vague, general idea of Jesus as a child, even though I knew I loved Him. But it’s completely different for me as an adult, as I now better understand the depth of His love for me, and what He’s done for me (a complete nobody). And the more I learn, study and pray, my understanding of that love grows deeper still.

I think the age of accountability really depends on the individual. For me personally, I think it was way later than “normal.” Maybe even into my early 20s. But I won’t know until I’m with the Lord.

God looks into the heart of the person, including the child.

 

[daygo]

I think the main point of the Mark is swearing allegiance to and worshipping the beast. I figure the buying and selling business is just a carrot and stick to get people to reject the real God and worship the beast. Forcing it upon people, and giving it to children who aren't yet accountable would be counterproductive to that end. More likely those who won't accept the Mark AND worship the beast will get their heads lopped off or meet with some other gruesome end.

Agree, it has to be a choice otherwise no point in the angel telling everyone not to take it. Revelation 14 v 9 to 11.

 

[gregb4hope]

Amen! God is going to accomplish His purpose in the tribulation. Just an aside, the Hebrew words for transgression, sin, and inquity in Daniel 9:24 are the same words or at least a variation or same root words used when God spoke to Moses in Mount Sinai:

"The LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness,
keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation.” (Exodus 34:6)

Although they seems similar to each other, there are actually subtle differences: transgression is rebellion, sin is sin, as in sin against the holiness of God, and inquity means guilt, or a record of guilt that must be atoned for. What Daniel 9:24 is saying is that there will come a time when Israel will stop corporately committing transgression, sin, and iniquity and that happens when they finally acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah and summon His return on earth

I tend to think of Israel as only part of the problem and indeed in need of redemption, however the world of gentiles is also a significant problem which God must deal with also. God changes not, Romans CH 11 makes that clear. In addition the Book of Revelation deals with the whole earth of men & women! On the gentile side there are plenty of unbelivers in Christ, including atheist, agnosticism, and false religion that deifies another character in lieu of Christ. Let us not fail to look in the mirror. We have heard it declared by God my people perish for lack of knowledge and Jesus forewarns about such lack (HolySpirit gives us knowledge in order to have wisdom) in Matt 25 speaking of the Ten Virgins. " Ye must be born again"goes beyond church membership and depending on good deeds. The Pharisees were quite religious and traditional in practices but felt more threatened by losing what they really didn't own. I see a similar scenario happen in our generation. Without a born again experience which Jesus made clear to Nicodemus,can we be threatened by the loss of what is a gift from God....our salvation and respond the same as Israel? It seem so unfair that so much was demanded of Israel while gentiles lack being tested. However, I am convinced Israel redemption is based on the Gentile error just as our salvation was based on Israel error and this is what will bring Jesus as their Messiah. The Battle of Armageddon is not in Moscow, Chicago or anywhere else but outside the Nation of Israel in the Valley of Jehosaphat. This is God righteousness at work before all men.
How many will be "left behind" in need of testing aka purification as Rev 3:9-11 states. Let our righteousness exceed the self righteousness of the Pharisee lest we not see the coming Kingdom!

 

[daygo]

I tend to think of Israel as only part of the problem and indeed in need of redemption, however the world of gentiles is also a significant problem which God must deal with also. God changes not, Romans CH 11 makes that clear. In addition the Book of Revelation deals with the whole earth of men & women! On the gentile side there are plenty of unbelivers in Christ, including atheist, agnosticism, and false religion that deifies another character in lieu of Christ. Let us not fail to look in the mirror. We have heard it declared by God my people perish for lack of knowledge and Jesus forewarns about such lack (HolySpirit gives us knowledge in order to have wisdom) in Matt 25 speaking of the Ten Virgins. " Ye must be born again"goes beyond church membership and depending on good deeds. The Pharisees were quite religious and traditional in practices but felt more threatened by losing what they really didn't own. I see a similar scenario happen in our generation. Without a born again experience which Jesus made clear to Nicodemus,can we be threatened by the loss of what is a gift from God....our salvation and respond the same as Israel? It seem so unfair that so much was demanded of Israel while gentiles lack being tested. However, I am convinced Israel redemption is based on the Gentile error just as our salvation was based on Israel error and this is what will bring Jesus as their Messiah. The Battle of Armageddon is not in Moscow, Chicago or anywhere else but outside the Nation of Israel in the Valley of Jehosaphat. This is God righteousness at work before all men.
How many will be "left behind" in need of testing aka purification as Rev 3:9-11 states. Let our righteousness exceed the self righteousness of the Pharisee lest we not see the coming Kingdom!

Very sobering thoughts there.

 

[Baby Yoda]

I am convinced Israel redemption is based on the Gentile error just as our salvation was based on Israel error and this is what will bring Jesus as their Messiah.

Interesting.