AC confirms covenant, rapture “timing” question

[Jaybird]

Jack Kelley’s teaching has been a mainstay on this forum, and the old rapture ready forum. Its hard to find any detailed teachings of his on the timing of the OWG, but I did find this.

Question: Re: A North American Kingdom. As I read your opinion of the days ahead regarding the legalization of illegals, it makes me not want to be around when we turn over our sovereignty. Also, I would think that it would take quite a bit of time for this North American Union to materialize…..unless something catastrophic were to happen on a world-wide scale. Do you see the rapture happening before these 10 kingdoms ever form?


Answer: As I understand it, a number of the underlying agreements have already been signed by the three governments. The most well known of these is NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement). As I said in my previous answer, I believe the reluctance of our public officials to enforce immigration laws or act to prevent illegal immigration is largely due to the fact that they believe these laws will soon be obsolete.

No one can say for sure when the 10 kingdoms will be formed but it’s generally assumed they’ll be part of the anti-Christ’s one world government. If so they would most likely come into existence after the rapture of the Church.

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/when-will-the-10-kingdoms-be-formed/

Now that Klaus Schwab has openly revealed his true thoughts I believe that forum member Andy C has a good point about the Rapture occurring before the formation of the OWG. The self-anointed gods of the WEF would not want any competition from the Christian community. We are obviously incompatible with their beliefs and diabolical intentions. I am still of the opinion that a massive worldwide crisis will open the door for the first horseman of the apocalypse to conquer without armed forces because he will have solutions to the crisis. What will cause this crisis? I believe the Rapture of the Church will ignite the crisis and of course those in power will use it to their advantage to implement the OWG structure. Imagine the chaos when millions of people disappear. How can this not create an economic and societal crisis? Even if it is not a direct cause it will be used to manipulate an economic crash, especially in the US. Once the US crashes the rest of the world will also go down in flames. Perfect opportunity to unite the world! At the end of the day this is just my opinion. We don't really know how it will all play out. I just hope the Rapture is much sooner than we think.

 

[kathymendel]

I agree with the above post and with Andy. The point I was trying to make is that, just like our government and governments around the
globe, there are things that have been planned - and are already prepared - that most people are not even aware of. And, when we are
raptured and our influence is gone, things will move very quickly to institute all that is on the drawing boards now. ( Kind of like the third temple,
in that the building is already partially pre-fabbed and the implements are prepared and the priests are already trained and ready to go. ) It
just won't need to take much time to put it all into place.

 

[Andy C]

I agree with the above post and with Andy. The point I was trying to make is that, just like our government and governments around the
globe, there are things that have been planned - and are already prepared - that most people are not even aware of. And, when we are
raptured and our influence is gone, things will move very quickly to institute all that is on the drawing boards now. ( Kind of like the third temple,
in that the building is already partially pre-fabbed and the implements are prepared and the priests are already trained and ready to go. ) It
just won't need to take much time to put it all into place.

I really cant see any other scenario. IMO, Nothing else lines up with scripture.

 

[Dan the Elder]

I don't know about your area but around here (St. Louis), there are reports everyday of "smash-and-rob", car-hijackings, homicides (children being shot), "mass-shoplifting", vandalism, kidnapping, etc. (and all that with the Believers still here). It has all started as a result of nations (especially ours),, turning away from God.
It has reached an apex of lawlessness, immorality, corruption, deception (truly an "anti-christ spirit")...

I realize the reason for the Great Tribulation (Daniel's 70th week) is to bring a "remnant of Israel" back to God; but the entire globe is going to experience it.
I tend to look at the Great Tribulation this way:
1) Jesus takes His own out of this world (rapture).
2) God says "Alright you want life your way - you've got it"
3) Man does the worse he can do to man for 3 1/2 years. War, violence, torture, starvation, hunted, beaten, raped, caged, isolated, beheaded, dismembered, etc.
4) There will be 144,000 evangelists throughout the world - and 2 witnesses on cable TV - people will have a chance to Repent and accept Christ (but they will have to pay the price).
5) At the midpoint (3 1/2 years), the anti-christ will set himself up in the Temple as "god".
6) At that point, God will say "Alright, that's it -- Now you will see what my wrath looks like"!!
7) The last 3 1/2 years will be continuous "natural disasters" globally, like this world has never seen! Jesus said if there wasn't an end of this in 3 1/2 years, no one would survive..
Be sure you have your ticket for Step 1.....

God Bless, Maranatha, Dan

 

[Kerbluey]

I’ve come to realize, it’s God himself who intended us to know this stuff and gave us the heart and interest around end times topics. Your average Christian doesn’t not casually discuss this stuff.

You know, I never thought of it as an interest God put in me, but that’s true. How exciting! I’m fortunate to be sur rounded by fellow believers who enjoy my end times talk.

 

[Dragontiger777]

Agree and look forward to meet my salvation coming.

 

[Jaybird]

You know, I never thought of it as an interest God put in me, but that’s true. How exciting! I’m fortunate to be sur rounded by fellow believers who enjoy my end times talk.

I really do believe the Spirit is the one who creates the interest. A few years ago I was very ignorant about eschatology. When Covid hit for some strange reason I got very interested in the Revelation prophecies and since I was stuck at home had plenty of time to research the topic. The Spirit helps us to see the truth.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Agree and look forward to meet my salvation coming.

Romans 8:22-23
For we know that the whole creation
groaneth and travaileth in pain together
until now.
And not only they, but ourselves also,
which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption
of our body.

The word travaileth in the above verse means,
travail in pain simultaneously; together in expectation of relief of suffering.

The word waiting in the above verse means,
to expect fully; to await or expect eagerly;
to look for .

The blood bought child of God with the indwelling
of the Holy Spirit yearns and longs to be rid of this fractured , sin ridden body and to be with the Lord.
We groan from within ourselves eagerly waiting
for our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to call us up to the air and clouds to be with Him forever.
Having received a glorified body , our expected
relief of suffering , now vanquished ,and to be no more.

Within an twinkling of an eye the transformation
will be complete.
Let your hallelujahs be perpetual.

 

[Stevelw]

One thing that has always amazed me to think of, is this. Moments right after the rapture, for the first time in world history, around the totality of the world, there will not be one intercessory prayer of any kind taking place that God will hear, as ALL the true believers will be gone. Can you imagine that, to me, this is a big deal!

 

[Andy C]

One thing that has always amazed me to think of, is this. Moments right after the rapture, for the first time in world history, around the totality of the world, there will not be one intercessory prayer of any kind taking place that God will hear, as ALL the true believers will be gone. Can you imagine that, to me, this is a big deal!

Yes, at least for a very short time because I believe many, many will drop to their knees in seeking Him, once they understand the rapture just happened, just as their Christian friends/family members warned.

 

[Kerbluey]

Wow, good point about prayer. Dead silence. I feel so sorry for those left behind who knew the truth but had been putting off their decision. Imagine the terror and dread of this realization.

 

[penbrat]

One thing that has always amazed me to think of, is this. Moments right after the rapture, for the first time in world history, around the totality of the world, there will not be one intercessory prayer of any kind taking place that God will hear, as ALL the true believers will be gone. Can you imagine that, to me, this is a big deal!

Wow. Be Never thought of that. Very sobering thought and a good reminder to me to be more fervent in prayer for the lost while there is still time.

 

[katt]

Has anyone ever thought about the kaos that will take place immediately after the rapture, or even during, Jan Markell mentioned on one of her videos, there are many left behinders that may not survive the rapture, think of all the things Christians will be doing at that time, cooking, showering, running bathwater, just normal everyday things that we don't even think of. Warming up our cars, driving, teaching, flying planes, ship captains, police, firemen, paramedics, doctor's, all just doing our jobs, then all of a sudden, we all disappear in the twinkling of an eye. Those aliens are going to be hard put to explain why they took everyone at such as an inconvenient time.

 

[pixelpusher]

One thing that has always amazed me to think of, is this. Moments right after the rapture, for the first time in world history, around the totality of the world, there will not be one intercessory prayer of any kind taking place that God will hear, as ALL the true believers will be gone. Can you imagine that, to me, this is a big deal!

I never considered that either... on the other hand, the praise and cheering from the ones just raptured will be thunderous! And I wonder won't we still pray for those left behind?

 

[Xenosjeff]

I am comforted by the word " changed". It doesn't matter what I'm doing or where I'm at. The nanosecond the shout comes I will be new.

We all have thoughts based upon our current relationship with linear time. Everything we know is in the framework of one second after another. If we are truly like Him as we will be, our relationship with time may also change. This will be according to God's will for His bride but "like Him" is like Him. God lives in all time present. Will our position in time also be adjusted?
The millennium will be a linear time state. Will our new relationship with time be in effect? We'll see!

We'll have at least seven years to enjoy the presence and newness of our eternity to figure it out.

Jeff

 

[Kerbluey]

Something I’d never thought of till recently was the dead rising first and graves bursting open. Wow! Imagine tending your loved one’s grace when it bursts open, and as you’re reacting there you go up too, lol.

 

[Andy C]

Something I’d never thought of till recently was the dead rising first and graves bursting open. Wow! Imagine tending your loved one’s grace when it bursts open, and as you’re reacting there you go up too, lol.

Interesting thoughts, but Im not sure that graves will burst open. All those Christians who have been dead quite a long time will simply be dust. Maybe that means as the dust is caught up it's instantly changed in to glorified new body.

1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

 

[kathymendel]

People will die, for sure. Imagine a believer who is a surgeon being taken in the middle of a life-saving surgery.
A paramedic taken during a dramatic rescue, a pilot flying a plane, drivers of cars that will careen away at high speed
into other traffic................the list goes on. Imagine people calling 911 for assistance and many of the responders are gone.
Talk about chaos.

 

[Bethlehem57]

I think we've been watching it develop beginning around the end of WWI. Not that scary yet but there's probably a ways to go. For me just another layer of govmint is too much to imagine. It's rough enough with the current layers of city, county, state, and Federal. But even now there's that other layer that's been trying to impose itself on the world. The latest thing from that seems to be paying poorer countries for climate change, and in Israel's case, condemning her for possessing her own nation-state.

Not scary is right. Sometimes its hard to understand why we are still here and how much longer we may still yet be!

But I know this…..God blesses and protects His children, even now! He won’t allow anything to harm His Church. He protects now, even though Satan throws as many darts as he can, still he can’t have us! I am confident about our Lord’s love and protection!

Romans 8:38 “For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,.”

 

[Bethlehem57]

I don't know about your area but around here (St. Louis), there are reports everyday of "smash-and-rob", car-hijackings, homicides (children being shot), "mass-shoplifting", vandalism, kidnapping, etc. (and all that with the Believers still here). It has all started as a result of nations (especially ours),, turning away from God.
It has reached an apex of lawlessness, immorality, corruption, deception (truly an "anti-christ spirit")...

I realize the reason for the Great Tribulation (Daniel's 70th week) is to bring a "remnant of Israel" back to God; but the entire globe is going to experience it.
I tend to look at the Great Tribulation this way:
1) Jesus takes His own out of this world (rapture).
2) God says "Alright you want life your way - you've got it"
3) Man does the worse he can do to man for 3 1/2 years. War, violence, torture, starvation, hunted, beaten, raped, caged, isolated, beheaded, dismembered, etc.
4) There will be 144,000 evangelists throughout the world - and 2 witnesses on cable TV - people will have a chance to Repent and accept Christ (but they will have to pay the price).
5) At the midpoint (3 1/2 years), the anti-christ will set himself up in the Temple as "god".
6) At that point, God will say "Alright, that's it -- Now you will see what my wrath looks like"!!
7) The last 3 1/2 years will be continuous "natural disasters" globally, like this world has never seen! Jesus said if there wasn't an end of this in 3 1/2 years, no one would survive..
Be sure you have your ticket for Step 1.....

God Bless, Maranatha, Dan

Praying for you Dan!