A new (?) apostasy issue I stumbled upon...

Mish

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Greetings to my Family of God!!

I was researching the indoor pool that resides within The Biltmore Estate (North?Carolina). In doing so, I came upon a different link with the title, "The sin of being psychic- spiritual insights from a psychic Christian". I'm unclear if this was a personal blog or a forum of some sort, but the important point is that LOTS of other people were sharing their personal views on this topic, in relationship with what is written in God's Word. I read this rather lengthy dialog and after about ten minutes, I realized that this "Issue" could be more widespread than I imagined.

And it is very dangerous {imo} because they are stating, in essence: I am a Christian who loves The Lord with all of my heart and mind, I only seek to glorify His name, alone. I have been given the gift from God as a true psychic and while I know my gift comes from Him, I do not believe The Bible is the absolute Truth of God; it contains errors because 1) it was written by men, not God [error], 2) It has been translated, by mere men once again, many times, therefore it is not a trustworthy source.[error] 3) We know what The Bible says about conversing with people who have psychic power, but God wasn't talking about Christians because it was God who gave US our psychic abilities.[this is a man-made opinion and not supported in God's Word]

WOW! I would say 98% of the other people believed in this woman's stance and supported her and all she had to say. There were 2 people who tried to share the actual Truth, providing Bible scriptures, vice simply a human opinion. It failed because these people felt The Bible contains many errors [see points 1&2 above].

With that said, how would YOU respond to this apostasy [imo]? Or do you feel it is Scripturally sound to state that one can be both a Christian AND a psychic who received this power from God?

My heart says this is not of God, but I a human and prone to error. I brought this here to hear from my fellow brothers and sister in Christ. We know that those with "itching ears" are now ubiquitous within The Church... :( Love, Mish :)
 

lightofmylife

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Greetings to my Family of God!!

I was researching the indoor pool that resides within The Biltmore Estate (North?Carolina). In doing so, I came upon a different link with the title, "The sin of being psychic- spiritual insights from a psychic Christian". I'm unclear if this was a personal blog or a forum of some sort, but the important point is that LOTS of other people were sharing their personal views on this topic, in relationship with what is written in God's Word. I read this rather lengthy dialog and after about ten minutes, I realized that this "Issue" could be more widespread than I imagined.

And it is very dangerous {imo} because they are stating, in essence: I am a Christian who loves The Lord with all of my heart and mind, I only seek to glorify His name, alone. I have been given the gift from God as a true psychic and while I know my gift comes from Him, I do not believe The Bible is the absolute Truth of God; it contains errors because 1) it was written by men, not God [error], 2) It has been translated, by mere men once again, many times, therefore it is not a trustworthy source.[error] 3) We know what The Bible says about conversing with people who have psychic power, but God wasn't talking about Christians because it was God who gave US our psychic abilities.[this is a man-made opinion and not supported in God's Word]

WOW! I would say 98% of the other people believed in this woman's stance and supported her and all she had to say. There were 2 people who tried to share the actual Truth, providing Bible scriptures, vice simply a human opinion. It failed because these people felt The Bible contains many errors [see points 1&2 above].

With that said, how would YOU respond to this apostasy [imo]? Or do you feel it is Scripturally sound to state that one can be both a Christian AND a psychic who received this power from God?

My heart says this is not of God, but I a human and prone to error. I brought this here to hear from my fellow brothers and sister in Christ. We know that those with "itching ears" are now ubiquitous within The Church... :( Love, Mish :)
Definitely not Christian it is divination. I am thinking of the story of the witch of Endor. We as Christians are to have no part with the unfruitful works of darkness.
 

Mish

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Definitely not Christian it is divination. I am thinking of the story of the witch of Endor. We as Christians are to have no part with the unfruitful works of darkness.
That is my belief also, Janice. But my concern is: HOW do we respond to those who feel that they are truly Christians [who don't believe fully in God's Word :( ], and deeply believe that it is GOD who gave them their psychic powers????

I fear this "belief" is much more widespread within and outside The Church!
 

Mish

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...And it grieved me to see the vast majority of people being in full agreement with this woman's beliefs. Only 2 people presented God's Truth. But if one does not believe the entire Truth of The Bible, apostasy has no boundaries which allows for an "anything goes" belief in whatever supports their views!

This greatly concerns me, especially because these people have claimed themselves as Christians who regularly attend Church services/active members within The Body!!

HOW do we respond to this issue????
 

lightofmylife

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...And it grieved me to see the vast majority of people being in full agreement with this woman's beliefs. Only 2 people presented God's Truth. But if one does not believe the entire Truth of The Bible, apostasy has no boundaries which allows for an "anything goes" belief in whatever supports their views!

This greatly concerns me, especially because these people have claimed themselves as Christians who regularly attend Church services/active members within The Body!!

HOW do we respond to this issue????
Mish all we can do is pray for that person that the blinders will be lifted from their eyes to see the truth. Just give them the word of God which is sharper than a two-edged sword. There is a problem when people who don't believe that the :biblewas inspired by God!
 
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mattfivefour

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I would simply point out that:
  1. God says the Bible is God-breathed, His Word being written down by men as Her, God, moved upon them;
  2. God's Word therefore is as fixed and unchanging as He;
  3. The translation argument is false because what counts are not the translations but the manuscripts from which the translations are made. There are literally thousands of them --some complete and others partial-- more than for any other ancient texts of ANY kind, coming down through different lines of transmission (both geographically and linguistically) and yet none of them differs I any doctrinal matter;
  4. The Bible speaks specifically AGAINST psychic power, and it does so not in the context of pagans but in the context of said psychics being among God's people
  5. From the very first Satan's chief source our deception is buy trying to cast doubt on the veracity and reliability of God's Word. God's Word and God's character have been the focus of Satan's attacks since the Garden of Eden. Why? Because God's Word is the FULL and PERFECT revelation of God's perfection, His person, and His plan for mankind. God says those who stick to His Word in its fullness are wise; those who choose to believe what they like are fools, putting their eternal souls into grave jeopardy.
God said all that in His Word. And I choose to believe Him. Anyone who disagrees with anything written above is not of God, for anything contrary to those 5 points from God's Word MUST clearly be of the one who from the beginning has tried to convince us to discount the reliability of the Bible God had given us.

That tells me all I need to know about the article quoted above.
 

Mish

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I'm in FULL agreement with y'all!

My concern lies in the fact that those who are within The Church have convinced themselves that their error is actually truth.
And the vast majority are actively supporting and encouraging this apostasy IN The Body and within the world!

We could insert a thousand other falsehoods; [for me] the real issue is this sort of thing is running free, gaining support while setting fire to the Truth of God's Holy Word. NO errors can exist in His Word; God is incapable of falsehood and The Bible is HIS Holy, living Truth for all mankind!

IMO, we are living with another worldwide flood- a flood of boundless, unending apostasy! It is everywhere, including many the Churches of today! And it appears to growing and growing every day! My heart feels overwhelmed and I pray these souls will turn from their error and come to saving faith in the inerrant Truth found in God and His perfect Word!
 

Everlasting Life

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And it is very dangerous {imo} because they are stating, in essence: I am a Christian who loves The Lord with all of my heart and mind, I only seek to glorify His name, alone. I have been given the gift from God as a true psychic and while I know my gift comes from Him, I do not believe The Bible is the absolute Truth of God; it contains errors because 1) it was written by men, not God [error], 2) It has been translated, by mere men once again, many times, therefore it is not a trustworthy source.[error] 3) We know what The Bible says about conversing with people who have psychic power, but God wasn't talking about Christians because it was God who gave US our psychic abilities.[this is a man-made opinion and not supported in God's Word]
This sounds like false prophets to me, at the very least very misguided people.

One becomes a Christian and knows of the Lord based on what we read and learn........IN THE BIBLE.

If the bible is supposedly untrustworthy (it's not) then why claim knowing the Lord in the first place as described in the bible by the very men of the bible who were Spirit led by God to write?

It's like saying, "I'm a Mark Twain scholar, but I don't trust the books he wrote" it doesn't make sense.

This also sounds very underhanded too,

"I'm a Christian, you can't trust the bible, but you can trust me, because I'm psychic and God gave this to me, and don't trust the bible where God says to avoid psychics"

And why are these "psychics" to be trusted? What's the advantage for them?

These might be useful scripture passages. It's scripture that can pierce through the fog:

All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right 2 Tim 3:16

Jesus seem to think scripture was dependable... He quoted them all the time.

Wasn’t it clearly predicted that the Messiah would have to suffer all these things before entering his glory?” Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, explaining from all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:26-27

For example, never sacrifice your son or daughter as a burnt offering. And do not let your people practice fortune-telling, or use sorcery, or interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead.

Duet 18:10-11
 

ozaprah

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I wonder if these so called Christian psychics / wannabe prophets are willing to stand by the Deuteronomy 18 "correct every time or your money back / put to death" prophet guarantee?
 

Carl

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I wonder if these so called Christian psychics / wannabe prophets are willing to stand by the Deuteronomy 18 "correct every time or your money back / put to death" prophet guarantee
Now that is the real test isn't it? Of course they have already disconnected parts of the bible from the Truth of God.
 

Mish

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This sounds like false prophets to me, at the very least very misguided people.
One becomes a Christian and knows of the Lord based on what we read and learn........IN THE BIBLE.
This also sounds very underhanded too,
And why are these "psychics" to be trusted? What's the advantage for them?
Amen, Everlasting Life! These individuals truly believe that The Lord has blessed them with the gift of prophecy and their psychic power :electric is a manifestation of the gift of prophecy! :apostasy :eek2

I could not believe the outpouring of support they received from other self-identified Christians! God is very clear in telling us NOT to add or subtract from His Word!! They feel completely justified to alter God's Word to support their behavior and narrative; the following and encouragement they receive appears to be another example of this "politically correct" world we must endure at this time.

People are welcoming a false gospel; they seem thrilled to join the bandwagon of apostasy. My concern is that this has become an endless, growing destruction amongst the world's population!
 

Mish

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This is the great falling away (apostasia) prophesied by Paul. We are getting so close to the Rapture!!!
I firmly believe this as well!

And I also believe it is critical to clothe ourselves with the full Armor of God; we are up against the powers of darkness and it has become a tidal wave of lies leading the masses off a cliff to their own destruction.

This is only my opinion: We must never stop telling others the Truth that is God, however I feel as though this battle belongs to God. There is no doubt that His Will WILL be done! In our family, we seek out the person who is best qualified to handle a particular need. If my computer stops working, I head for the "top", the person who can fix any computer issue. [that happens to be my DH]. I believe we will encounter circumstances that are beyond our scope; we head for the "top" and give our concerns to God. I think there are times when ONLY God can stem the flood waters closing in on this world. What are y'all thoughts?
 

Everlasting Life

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I think there are times when ONLY God can stem the flood waters closing in on this world. What are y'all thoughts?
We can keep sharing the truth, stay in the Word, and pray for these people. :nod

Your description of only God stemming these floods waters makes me think of Revelation where the Great Tribulation results in a great awakening to real truth, and the innumerable Tribulation Saints who come out. The world seems to becoming ever ripe for these things to begin.
 
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