A "Great Revival" before the Rapture?

[Andy C]

There will be no revival before the Rapture.

The Church is in the lukewarm Laodecia age, which is the last of the seven Church age characteristics.

In addition, there is much of the Church apostacy occurring presently that the New Testament describes.

However, there will be the greatest revival in human history during the Tribulation...especially during the Great Tribulation.
Multitudes from every ethnicity, country, and language will refuse the Mark of the Beast.

The Two Witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish rabbis will do in a total of seven years what the Church didn't in 2000 years.

Yes, many are saved during the tribulation, but not the second half, or Great Tribulation as its called.

Im assuming you are referring to Revelation 7
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb


My understanding of “come out of” means they were saved before the great tribulation.
The great tribulation will bring the most severe judgements and the AC will be fully possessed by Satan, and this wont be a time for the great harvest. Plus, revelation 7 falls in chronologically with the first half, not the second half.

Regardless of when, many will be saved.

 

[daygo]

Maybe all the connections we've made by having social media counts as a revival. I talk much more about God online than I ever did in person.

I don't do social media, so you could be right.

 

[castcrowns]

Yes, many are saved during the tribulation, but not the second half, or Great Tribulation as its called.

Im assuming you are referring to Revelation 7
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb


My understanding of “come out of” means they were saved before the great tribulation.
The great tribulation will bring the most severe judgements and the AC will be fully possessed by Satan, and this wont be a time for the great harvest. Plus, revelation 7 falls in chronologically with the first half, not the second half.

Regardless of when, many will be saved.

The Fifth Seal refers to those saved during the first half of the Tribulation who are under the heavenly altar.

They are told to be patient a little while longer until their fellow servants (gentiles) and brethren (Jews) join them in Heaven.

So the latter who will come through the Great Tribulation are those who will be martyred for refusing the Mark of the Beast.

The Fifth Seal martyrs will be in Heaven before the MotB is mandated.

 

[Andy C]

The Fifth Seal refers to those saved during the first half of the Tribulation who are under the heavenly altar.

They are told to be patient a little while longer until their fellow servants (gentiles) and brethren (Jews) join them in Heaven.

So the latter who will come through the Great Tribulation are those who will be martyred for refusing the Mark of the Beast.

The Fifth Seal martyrs will be in Heaven before the MotB is mandated.

Its possible, but the majority who will be saved come out of the first half. IMO, by the time of the MOB, there will not be too many left who will refuse.The ones who turn to Jesus will do so at the beginning, out of those still around a mid point, many will have hardened hearts. Yet, many believers will survive and make it through the entire 7 years.

Im just thankful many will be saved at some point during the tribulation, because if the rapture happens today, several of my family members will be left behind.

 

[castcrowns]

Yet, many believers will survive and make it through the entire 7 year

Isaiah 13:12 says otherwise.

It appears that the majority of surviving believers will be Remnant Israel. Very few gentiles. Some, of course, but not as many as Remnant Israel to go into the Millennium Kingdom.

 

[Flyfisher]

I think too many of us are spoiled to 'it's all about us" that some think God will wait till we are ready.
Wish he would wait till I am ready then none of us would need to wait as I am ready right now.

 

[Andy C]

Isaiah 13:12 says otherwise.

It appears that the majority of surviving believers will be Remnant Israel. Very few gentiles. Some, of course, but not as many as Remnant Israel to go into the Millennium Kingdom.

How do you explain Matthew 25 - they are not all from Israel who are the sheep.

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.

32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

 

[Andy C]

Isaiah 13:12 says otherwise.

It appears that the majority of surviving believers will be Remnant Israel. Very few gentiles. Some, of course, but not as many as Remnant Israel to go into the Millennium Kingdom.

From Jack Kelley


“You’re correct that the sheep are friends of Israel while the goats are not, but the judgment is upon people, not nations. The word translated nations simply means people.

Sheep are believers who help each other, including Jews, survive the Great Tribulation even though they can’t buy or sell and are being hunted by the forces of Anti-Christ. The goats are unbelievers who won’t lift a finger to help the anti-Christ’s enemies.

By their actions both groups demonstrate their spiritual condition. Believers are ushered into the Kingdom and unbelievers are banished to the eternal fire.”

 

[Micki]

So I've been talking to a close relative about End Times and the Rapture. We've had this talk a few instances already this year, but every time I bring up the Rapture (very excitedly of course) they always tell me, "No, it can't be yet. There needs to be another Great Revival and outpouring of the Holy Spirit first." I'll admit my initial reaction is always feeling deflated. The excitement about the Rapture happening "at any time" gets squelched whenever we get on this topic.

Then I got to thinking and searching in the scriptures. Unless I'm missing it somewhere, there doesn't seem to be any indication of a big revival or turning of souls towards Jesus? In fact, it's quite the opposite. It mentions a great falling away, apostasy, and believers turning from truth - which is exactly what we are seeing in these last days.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..." - 2 Thessalonians 2:3​

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" Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;..." - 1 Timothy 4:1​

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" For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4​

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I think all of us here have already seen the increase of churches falling away, abandoning sound doctrine, teaching that is in contradiction of God's word, and a lukewarmness of the Church body. I also hear some pastors who are currently preaching that the Church will be a glorious church, without spot or blemish, and that we can all look forward to a huge outpouring of blessing, favor, and miracles in these years to come - basically that everything is going to get better for us and not worse.

I personally am of the belief that a huge, global-wide revival will not take place before the rapture, because the majority of the world has turned away from God. However, could the rapture possibly trigger repentance and some souls turning to God after it happens? Of course! It makes sense that it could be a big wake up call to those who pushed God away during the church age, and who suddenly realize what has happened. We already know that there will be many who come to believe during the Tribulation, so perhaps this would be the last "great harvest of souls," even though they will end up dying for it.

Now with all of that said, I do realize that there are always pockets of revival going on here and there with people getting saved, but I just don't see it happening in a huge global "revival" event that many are expecting to see happen soon. I could be wrong though!

What do you all think?

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I think exactly what was written in The Bible prior to the KJV, that the falling away in Thessalonians means departure of the saints from the earth, not from the faith. We all know to the Thessalonians Paul uses the word ἀποστασία {ap-os-tas-ee'-ah} which we translate as “apostasy”. Later Paul writing to Timothy talks of those in the latter days who will depart from the faith. This would have been a great place for Paul to reaffirm that apostasy means departure from the faith, but that is not the word Paul uses. Instead he uses afistaymee.

Revolt, withdraw, desist, depart and desert sound like people leaving and abandoning the faith. To the Thessalonians Paul was promising they would fall away from or depart from the earth before the day of Christ, aka the wrath of The Lamb, comes.

 

[castcrowns]

How do you explain Matthew 25 - they are not all from Israel who are the sheep.

Everyone at the Sheep and Goat Judgment are believing (sheep) and unbelieving (goats) gentiles who survive the Tribulation.

No Jew (brethren) will be judged here because this judgment is about how these surviving gentiles treated the Jewish people. Israel will be judged on Mount Zion.

The unbelieving gentiles (goats) survive until the S&G Judgment because they did not receive the Mark of the Beast. Those who will are destroyed during the Seventh Bowl Judgment.

 

[daygo]

Everyone at the Sheep and Goat Judgment are believing (sheep) and unbelieving (goats) gentiles who survive the Tribulation.

No Jew (brethren) will be judged here because this judgment is about how these surviving gentiles treated the Jewish people. Israel will be judged on Mount Zion.

The unbelieving gentiles (goats) survive until the S&G Judgment because they did not receive the Mark of the Beast. Those who will are destroyed during the Seventh Bowl Judgment.

I'm not so sure they'll be no Jews outside of Israel in the tribulation so that's ddifficult to be the case but it could be something to do with the 144,000 from every tribe that goes through the world preaching, just my opinion.

 

[Reason & Hope]

I have to share a comment with you all that I read last night, on a video. (I've been reading articles and watching videos relating to prophecies. It's always interesting to read some of the comments on these articles or videos.)

The comment said:
"The next main event is the Rapture of The Body of Christ."

Okay, obviously none of us know the exact timing of God's events, but we do know that things are wrapping up fast and we are told to stay vigilant in watching for our Lord's return. Whether it is the "next main event" or not, we must always be ready. Anyway, the reply to this comment was what got me.

Reply:
"That's silly talk. A complete contradiction of everything the LORD is saying at this time through his prophets. The LORD is about to expose and clear away much wickedness, in preparation for the pouring out of his glory across the earth. The Bride is NOT yet ready for her wedding, and the final harvest of souls, especially among the young, is a long way from complete."

I have to admit I went after reading that. So it's "silly talk" for a Christian to take note of the late hour which we are in, to warn others, and to look forward to being with our King forever? I also don't know of any scriptures that say the Lord will "clear away much wickedness" in these end days. No, he will send judgement for it. The young may not repent until after the rapture, once things get much more serious. The only thing I will agree on is that yes, much of the Bride is not ready yet, but that's because many have fallen away or become entangled in chasing after life's pleasures. They aren't ready to go because they don't WANT to go yet. For these folks, they simply never will be ready. (Thankfully, as long as a person is saved, they won't be left out of the rapture - even if they aren't preparing for it or wanting it to occur!)
I'm glad there is at least a group and remnant of people who are alert, prepared, and ready to meet Jesus in the air! He certainly won't hold His rapture event back when it's time to happen, simply because some refuse to see how close we are or to get ready.

This gives me a bit of insight into my small group leader's thinking. She is convinced that a revival is starting to happen, and that we're going to be mentoring all these young people. Also, that everything in the US will be godly again really soon.

Meanwhile, I'm seeing wickedness and blindness grow.

 

[newtofaith]

I came to Christ due to what is going on in the world at present with the WEF, Covid plandemic, woke madness etc. I imagine a few of us have but not many as so many people are blind to what is actually going on...even those in the church.
The trouble is, because my family cannot see what is happening (they think I am CRAZY for thinking that there is something sinister going on) they will not even listen to my views on the Bible and end times.
Personally, what I need to happen is a couple more events that I have talked (relentlessly) about and then I might be able to convince them. I need to look credible before they even begin to listen. I think the war in the middle east and some more alien/UFO stories might make them a little more interested or at least give me the opportunity to talk more without them rolling their eyes.
I don't think I am going to have much luck (their level of deception is extraordinarily strong-defying common sense to be honest) but I will continue to try.
All of them, I have no doubt, would turn to Christ immediately after my departure. They are all good people.

 

[newtofaith]

Are the 144000 witnesses people that came to Christ after the rapture? They surely must be else they would have been snatched.

 

[greg64]

Yes -- they're from the tribes of Israel that come to Christ after He takes the Church:

And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed: of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.
Revelation 7:4‭-‬8 NKJV

 

[Len]

They're too busy focusing on things like Netflix, social media, or becoming successful. There's nothing wrong with these things of course, but there's just very little (if any) mention of God.

I thought after reading that, that perhaps that is the very thing that is wrong with netflix, social media and becoming successful that they take people away from the things of God and put something less important and often detrimenta to their soulsl into focus ..... but I am as guilty as many for those same things.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Phillipians 4:8

 

[KenE@21B]

So I've been talking to a close relative about End Times and the Rapture. We've had this talk a few instances already this year, but every time I bring up the Rapture (very excitedly of course) they always tell me, "No, it can't be yet. There needs to be another Great Revival and outpouring of the Holy Spirit first." I'll admit my initial reaction is always feeling deflated. The excitement about the Rapture happening "at any time" gets squelched whenever we get on this topic.

Then I got to thinking and searching in the scriptures. Unless I'm missing it somewhere, there doesn't seem to be any indication of a big revival or turning of souls towards Jesus? In fact, it's quite the opposite. It mentions a great falling away, apostasy, and believers turning from truth - which is exactly what we are seeing in these last days.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..." - 2 Thessalonians 2:3​

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" Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;..." - 1 Timothy 4:1​

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" For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4​

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I think all of us here have already seen the increase of churches falling away, abandoning sound doctrine, teaching that is in contradiction of God's word, and a lukewarmness of the Church body. I also hear some pastors who are currently preaching that the Church will be a glorious church, without spot or blemish, and that we can all look forward to a huge outpouring of blessing, favor, and miracles in these years to come - basically that everything is going to get better for us and not worse.

I personally am of the belief that a huge, global-wide revival will not take place before the rapture, because the majority of the world has turned away from God. However, could the rapture possibly trigger repentance and some souls turning to God after it happens? Of course! It makes sense that it could be a big wake up call to those who pushed God away during the church age, and who suddenly realize what has happened. We already know that there will be many who come to believe during the Tribulation, so perhaps this would be the last "great harvest of souls," even though they will end up dying for it.

Now with all of that said, I do realize that there are always pockets of revival going on here and there with people getting saved, but I just don't see it happening in a huge global "revival" event that many are expecting to see happen soon. I could be wrong though!

What do you all think?

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It is my opinion that God has already poured out His Spirit on all flesh - the Body of Jesus Christ now has members from (possibly) every country (nation) in the world.

Contrary to the (mistaken?) belief that there will be one final, gigantic revival before the rapture I read in Scripture that "the spirit of lawlessness will increase".

This we can all attest to.

There is unrest (and criminal looting and destruction) on every continent and we can expect this to intensify as people become more disillusioned with governments' inability to restore 'normality' in the wake of covid.

I may be wrong, but I believe with all my heart that the next major Biblical event on earth will be the rapture!

Maranatha! Holy, holy, holy are You Lord.

 

[Lovin Jesus]

It’s a possibility there will be revivals before the rapture, there are some going on now, but there will be a greater revival coming.

Excerpt from an article by Jack Kelley on a Great Revival that will occur during the Tribulation after Gods wrath is unleashed upon the inhabitants of the earth.

Acts 2:21 is the verse I assume you’re referring to as an end times revival. If so, it will happen after the time of God’s wrath has begun and after the Church has been raptured. I believe the rapture of the church will trigger a great revival on Earth as many of those left behind will realize the rapture proves the Bible to be right about the need to be saved. I see evidence of this in Rev. 7:9-10 where a multitude too large to count from every nation will arrive in heaven. Rev. 7:15 shows why this group can’t be part of the church. They will serve God day and night in His temple but they are not called priests, and there is no temple in the New Jerusalem where the church will be (Rev. 21:22).

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/falling-away-revival/

 

[Matthew6:33]

This gives me a bit of insight into my small group leader's thinking. She is convinced that a revival is starting to happen, and that we're going to be mentoring all these young people. Also, that everything in the US will be godly again really soon.

Meanwhile, I'm seeing wickedness and blindness grow.

I do believe nothing is impossible with God. But with little scripture to support this claim, your teacher's rigid belief is concerning. What does she think of Kingdom Now and New Apostolic Reformation theology?

I am always of the opinion that we should be very careful when trying to justify our opinions without scriptural evidence - especially as teachers. The teachers that I respect the most are not afraid to say "I don't know."

The ways of God are too complex and too great for us to understand what is not written.

 

[Matthew6:33]

I came to Christ due to what is going on in the world at present with the WEF, Covid plandemic, woke madness etc. I imagine a few of us have but not many as so many people are blind to what is actually going on...even those in the church.
The trouble is, because my family cannot see what is happening (they think I am CRAZY for thinking that there is something sinister going on) they will not even listen to my views on the Bible and end times.
Personally, what I need to happen is a couple more events that I have talked (relentlessly) about and then I might be able to convince them. I need to look credible before they even begin to listen. I think the war in the middle east and some more alien/UFO stories might make them a little more interested or at least give me the opportunity to talk more without them rolling their eyes.
I don't think I am going to have much luck (their level of deception is extraordinarily strong-defying common sense to be honest) but I will continue to try.
All of them, I have no doubt, would turn to Christ immediately after my departure. They are all good people.

Be encouraged. Focus on reading the Bible and prayer for your loved ones. I have been here and it takes practice and discernment to engage only when the Lord leads us. Otherwise it is very detrimental when we take on these things with our own strength. Take the worry out of it and voice your concerns to God. Let Him know that you are willing to be used for His purpose.

Most of the time, the best witness comes from outside of the family. A profit is never accepted in his own town.

24 Then He said, "Assuredly, I say to you, no prophet is accepted in his own country. [Luke 4:24 NKJV]