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    Best Argument Against the Rapture

    I don't think anyone who doesn't believe in a pre tribulation rapture wants to be right. We are all eager to get out of here. It is not about wanting to stay in this world- it is only about truth to US. We can't believe something, now matter how much we want it to be true, if we feel it is wrong...
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    Best Argument Against the Rapture

    I don't think many Christians reject the idea of the rapture, they just don't necessarily think it is before the tribulation. I used to be a pre tribulation believer, but I am now undecided. I veer more towards the rapture being towards the end of the tribulation. I do, however, think our faith...
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    Puppies and Fauci

    I know that there are many horrific crimes and abuse against babies and children but for some unexplained reason my mind cannot comprehend these (must be protection). I don't know why the animal story has affected me more. I know all about the ritual abuse and murder of children and babies but...
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    Puppies and Fauci

    Fauci has been funding evil, sick, satanic experiments on puppies. Jesus please come. Please rid us of this evil. I'm in pieces. Perhaps this will wake a few people up.
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    We are not appointed to wrath

    The tribulation saints could also die from war, hunger and pestilence not necessarily by the sword...as in beheading.
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    Alec Baldwin kills one and injures another with a prop gun.

    I have absolutely NO doubt that this wasn't an accident.
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    God being purposefully ambiguous about the elders?

    Thank you Chris. For me the elders representation of the church is the number one reason I believe the rapture is before the tribulation. That is why I have to keep seeking answers about this. This thread has cemented my faith in the elders being us!!! Marvellous.
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    God being purposefully ambiguous about the elders?

    Sorry me again. Isn't it interesting that 12 represents government but God knew he couldn't use that number as so many would think the elders were the apostles. So, he used a multiple of 12 to ensure that we weren't misdirected. Fabulous.
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    God being purposefully ambiguous about the elders?

    I'm so sorry Saved and Waiting, I read your post again and you clearly explained that they cannot be other rulers. Thank you. I am glad that we will potentially be rotating. I feel concerned that seven years of ruling will be exhausting!!! I think we'll need a little rest if the world continues...
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    God being purposefully ambiguous about the elders?

    Why do you think God didn't just call them the church?
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    God being purposefully ambiguous about the elders?

    Thank you for the replies. I have read so much about the elders but I have learnt more today. That is why it is so good to ask RR friends :) Just one final question: are there any other people that would rule and reign with Christ? I know that angels do not but are there any other beings in the...
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    God being purposefully ambiguous about the elders?

    I have read everything I can about the elders. I believe that they are the raptured saints but many others feel differently. I think, perhaps, God decided to keep the identity of these elders secret to test our faith in him. If he had specifically said that they were the raptured/saved saints...
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    What I believe this final fourth worldwide kingdom/government will look like.

    The final Kingdom will be the worst of all the Kingdoms before: Rome, Greek, Assyrian, Persian etc. Nasty.
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    Air Force resumes training to attack Iran nuclear sites

    Anyone know where these attacks will take place? Is there a nuclear site that corresponds to the Bible prophesies?
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    Netanyahu: 'We'll be back in two weeks, or three-and-a-half years'

    I don't understand two weeks or three and a half years? Why such a massive difference? Is there an election happening in two weeks or three and a half years?
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    We are not appointed to wrath

    Salluz, you have cleared it up for me.Thank you. I felt that it was almost a contradiction when Jesus says that believers are saved from wrath but so many saints will die in the tribulation. John 20:29 really helps me to understand. :) Also, as a side note, when I read that line my whole body...
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    Huge 72ft tall, 30 ton statue named Waters Soul which pays "homage to the water" erected in NJ.

    Doing the freemasons 'hush' sign. Surprised it doesn't have the right eye covered too. Unbelievably blatant and gutsy of the satanists.
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    We are not appointed to wrath

    Thank you for all the replies. Much appreciated.
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    We are not appointed to wrath

    If people who believe in Christ are not appointed to wrath why are the tribulation saints (that may turn to Christ in the first seal after we have gone) appointed to wrath (possibly all the way until the end of the tribulation)? Why would he save us and not those that turn to him in the...
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