Lovin Jesus
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I've had a head scratching question that I'd like to present to anyone who has come across this question and can help me understand. I hope I don't leave you as confused as I am. I'll do my best to lay out everything so you can understand what has me confused. The bottom line, it has me question whether Revelation is in chronological order.
Using scripture I'll present what I do understand and then ask my question.
First, the apostle Paul explains the timing of the appearing of the Antichrist
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,"
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Then Paul adds
5 "Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming."
2 Thessalonians 2:5-8
So this sets the timing of the AC being revealed after the rapture.
I've understood Daniel 7:8 to be lined up with this reveal of the AC.
“While I was thinking about the horns, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully".
Daniel 7:8
Is this in line with Revelation 6:1-2? Or with Revelation 17:13-14?
Now turning to Revelation
"I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest."
Revelation 6:1-2.
Here the AC comes onto the scene. Some eschatology teachers say the bow with no arrows indicate that AC will use diplomacy for peace. Signaling the confirming of the covenant with many, involving Israel. Does AC have authority and power at this point to do this? Is he the world leader at this point?
What I understand is for AC to make this covenant
The signing of the covenant begins the tribulation, but in the middle of the seven year tribulation AC breaks the covenant and he turns on Israel set to kill them.
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Daniel 9:27
I've had no problem understand all of this. Here's where my head starts getting itchy.
Now some escotology teachers have said that the book of Revelation is in chronological order. I'm posting a link to an article from Pete Garcia from RF below.
I thought it made sense for Revelation to be on chronological order until reading Chapter 17.
12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
Revelation 17:12-14
By reading these verses I got thrown off the order of the Antichrist seeing that he comes on to the scene in Revelation 6:1-2 at the breaking of the first seal. But not until chapter 17 is AC given power and authority. So it has me wondering,
If the book of Revelation is in chronological order then if the rider on the white horse at the breaking of the first seal, he does come onto the scene but according to Revelation 17:12-14 he doesn't have his authority when the first seal is broken. That leads me to more questions. If Revelation is in chronological order then this would mean AC doesn't receive authority until after the seals, trumpets, and bowls judgements, and according to Revelation 17:12 the One world government is in power for a short period of time, "one hour", and gives the beast, AC, his authority and power to wage war against the coming King if Kings Jesus and his saints layed out in chapter 19, this is Jesus second coming.
I'm confused as to when the AC has authority and power. Looking at when AC is revealed after the rapture, is this the breaking of the first seal?
Is Daniel 7:7-8 lined up with the horseman on the white horse, and 2 Thessalonians 2:5-8 when he's revealed, or with Revelation 17:12-14 when the ten kings give AC the power and authority? Wouldn't AC have power and authority to confirm the covenant?
That Revelation 17 has me confused about whether Revelation is in chronological order. If you can help me understand Revelation 17:12-14 if all the Judgements would pass then AC be given power and authority by the ten king government. Thank you
This is an excerpt taken from an article by Pete Garcia where he says that John wrote the Revelation in chronological order.
"The Apostle John was given the Revelation in a highly symbolized, but also decidedly chronological and structured order of events beginning with the things he saw (the resurrected and glorified Christ), the things which are (the seven churches), and the things after this (after the Church age), which include the Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgments (Rev. 1:19). Then that is followed by Armageddon, the visible Second Coming, the millennial reign of Christ, and eternity-future."
https://www.raptureforums.com/pete-garcia/undertow/
Using scripture I'll present what I do understand and then ask my question.
First, the apostle Paul explains the timing of the appearing of the Antichrist
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,"
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Then Paul adds
5 "Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming."
2 Thessalonians 2:5-8
So this sets the timing of the AC being revealed after the rapture.
I've understood Daniel 7:8 to be lined up with this reveal of the AC.
“While I was thinking about the horns, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully".
Daniel 7:8
Is this in line with Revelation 6:1-2? Or with Revelation 17:13-14?
Now turning to Revelation
"I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest."
Revelation 6:1-2.
Here the AC comes onto the scene. Some eschatology teachers say the bow with no arrows indicate that AC will use diplomacy for peace. Signaling the confirming of the covenant with many, involving Israel. Does AC have authority and power at this point to do this? Is he the world leader at this point?
What I understand is for AC to make this covenant
The signing of the covenant begins the tribulation, but in the middle of the seven year tribulation AC breaks the covenant and he turns on Israel set to kill them.
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Daniel 9:27
I've had no problem understand all of this. Here's where my head starts getting itchy.
Now some escotology teachers have said that the book of Revelation is in chronological order. I'm posting a link to an article from Pete Garcia from RF below.
I thought it made sense for Revelation to be on chronological order until reading Chapter 17.
12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
Revelation 17:12-14
By reading these verses I got thrown off the order of the Antichrist seeing that he comes on to the scene in Revelation 6:1-2 at the breaking of the first seal. But not until chapter 17 is AC given power and authority. So it has me wondering,
If the book of Revelation is in chronological order then if the rider on the white horse at the breaking of the first seal, he does come onto the scene but according to Revelation 17:12-14 he doesn't have his authority when the first seal is broken. That leads me to more questions. If Revelation is in chronological order then this would mean AC doesn't receive authority until after the seals, trumpets, and bowls judgements, and according to Revelation 17:12 the One world government is in power for a short period of time, "one hour", and gives the beast, AC, his authority and power to wage war against the coming King if Kings Jesus and his saints layed out in chapter 19, this is Jesus second coming.
I'm confused as to when the AC has authority and power. Looking at when AC is revealed after the rapture, is this the breaking of the first seal?
Is Daniel 7:7-8 lined up with the horseman on the white horse, and 2 Thessalonians 2:5-8 when he's revealed, or with Revelation 17:12-14 when the ten kings give AC the power and authority? Wouldn't AC have power and authority to confirm the covenant?
That Revelation 17 has me confused about whether Revelation is in chronological order. If you can help me understand Revelation 17:12-14 if all the Judgements would pass then AC be given power and authority by the ten king government. Thank you
This is an excerpt taken from an article by Pete Garcia where he says that John wrote the Revelation in chronological order.
"The Apostle John was given the Revelation in a highly symbolized, but also decidedly chronological and structured order of events beginning with the things he saw (the resurrected and glorified Christ), the things which are (the seven churches), and the things after this (after the Church age), which include the Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgments (Rev. 1:19). Then that is followed by Armageddon, the visible Second Coming, the millennial reign of Christ, and eternity-future."
https://www.raptureforums.com/pete-garcia/undertow/