Carnal Christians: Is There Such a Thing?

mattfivefour

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The Carnal Christian: Is There Such a Thing?


Lot is an excellent way in which to illustrate this topic.

Here was an adult man who chose to accompany Abram to Canaan. He also left his people, his friends, his society, and every other thing he had—both in Ur and Haran—and headed off into the unknown with Abram. And he obviously did it because he must have believed that his uncle had truly heard from God. You don’t risk everything unless you have some belief that there is a good reason to do so. Lot had the opportunity to return to his people in Ur, had he wanted to; but he chose to go with Abram. And we know from scripture that Abram did not know what he was going to, but trusted God to provide for him.

In going, Lot showed his trust in the God of Abram. And in so doing he was greatly blessed of God. We see Lot in Canaan so enriched with flocks and herds that the land on which he and Abram settled could not support them both. But now here is where we see the difference in Abram and Lot. Abram’s knowledge of god was personal and first-hand. Lot’s was corporate and second hand. He may have known God but he did not walk with him as did Abraham. He followed Him but did not fully trust Him.

When faced with the need to separate so that they both had sufficient place for their riches of herds, flocks and people, Abram did not hesitate.

“So Abram said to Lot, ‘Please let there be no strife between you and me, nor between my herdsmen and your herdsmen, for we are brothers. Is not the whole land before you? Please separate from me; if to the left, then I will go to the right; or if to the right, then I will go to the left.’” (Genesis 13:8-9)​

Abram was the head of the clan. He could have easily said, “Lot, you take this land and I’ll take that.” He could have easily said, “As chief, I will rightfully take the best. And I will permit you to have what I do not want.” But he did not. He gave to his nephew first choice. Why? Because he, Abram, was living under the blessing of God. All that he needed God had supplied. Even when he had failed God before Pharaoh and lied to protect himself rather than trusting God to do it. (Equally badly he had asked his wife Sarai, whom it was his duty to protect, to protect HIM. He caused her to lie and he caused Pharaoh to offend the God Most High. Yet God did what He does with His children who walk in disobedience or error: He exposed his lie and when Abram righted the wrong He then blessed him more.) Abram trusted God. He walked by faith. But not so Lot.

“Lot lifted up his eyes and saw all the valley of the Jordan, that it was well watered everywhere—this was before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah—like the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt as you go to Zoar. So Lot chose for himself all the valley of the Jordan, and Lot journeyed eastward.” (Genesis 13:10-11a)​

Lot walked by sight. He SAW that the plain surrounding the river Jordan had the richest soil and the most pleasant prospect of all. And he desired to have it. And Abram willingly let him, choosing to live in Canaan … the land first settled by Noah’s grandson Canaan whom God had cursed because of his sin. (Genesis 9:25)

And so they parted ways, Abram walking by faith, trusting in God and being further blessed by Him (Genesis 13:14-17) settled in the physically inferior plain of Mamre; Lot, walking by sight, not truly trusting God, seeking the protection of the walled city, settled in the physically superior land near Sodom. Adam built an altar to the Lord; Lot chose to build his own life.

The next thing we see of Lot is that when a war breaks out among nine kings, Lot is “collateral damage”. He is taken prisoner by the cruel king Chederlaomer. Let me tell you, when you begin to mingle with the world, you will become entangled in it and its ways. And when you walk away from God’s blessing and choose to find your own, you also walk away from God’s perfect protection. And this was Lot’s case.

He was taken prisoner, he and his entire family. And all of his belongings and herds and flocks were seized. He was reaping the wages of his disobedience and his lack of gratitude to God’s man and his disobedience to God’s desire that His people keep themselves separate and touch not the unclean thing. Walking by sight had led Lot into a pit of imprisonment to the powers of the world.

But God did not abandon Lot. He caused his uncle Abram to go after him and save him from the hand of the enemy. As Christ did for us, Abram not only sought the wicked king, he defeated him. And not merely defeated him but chased him for days until, far north of Damascus (at least a week’s hard march on foot from the plain of Mamre) Abram finally destroyed the power of that king and his cohorts and released Lot and all that had been taken with him. Abram did not cease till every vestige of the power of the enemy was destroyed and all that he had taken away was brought back.

What an awesome foreshadow of Christ defeating Satan and rescuing man! And what a good illustration of God acting in our own lives when through the lust of the eyes and the pride of life we are drawn away from our place in Him: He sets out and brings us back.

But what follows is another lesson. Lot goes right back to Sodom where he should never have been in the first place. (Genesis 14:12; 19:1) Truly a dog returns to its vomit and a pig to its mire. When we walk by sight and not by faith, when we walk in accordance with what seems right to us not what God tells us is right, we cannot escape the pits dug by the world. And we are overcome by it.

My dear friends, beloved of God, the Creator of All things is a jealous God. Jealous in that all they who name His name, all they for whom He sent His Son to die, all they who claim Him as their God, are to have no other gods before Him. All things that are more important to us than God are gods. Self is a god; work is a god; sex is a god; sports is a god; entertainment is a god; golf is a god; fishing is a god; reading is a god; gardening, crocheting, woodwork, anything that we find time for before we find time for God is a god. All that is in the world, all that is of the world system is an enemy of ours when it is not submitted to the headship of the Lord God Almighty.

At one of the churches I was at a week ago, I heard a mature person in Christ say, “We need to be witnessing to this neighborhood. The people need Jesus as part of their lives.” No. No! NO!!! They don’t need Jesus as PART of their lives, they need Jesus AS their life. WE need Jesus as our life. He cannot be a part: He must be the whole. The spokes of the wheel of our life cannot be family, job, entertainment, hobbies, church … Christ can never be a spoke. If He is, then you at best are a lukewarm Christian and at worst do not know Him at all! Christ must be the hub, the center, of the wheel of our life and everything else must spring from Him. Everything else must be subordinated to His will and His purposes and His headship.

But “Lot pitched his tent toward Sodom.” And Lot entered its gates and lived there. Not only did he live there, he was a chief man, an elder. How do I know this? Because when the angels arrived in Sodom to rescue him and his family, he was sitting in the gates. In ancient custom, the rulers of a city sat in its gates to render judgment on all matters brought before them. That Lot was sitting in the gate meant that he was a judge and a ruler of the affairs of this city. Yet he knew the city’s evil. In fact, when these angels with the appearance of handsome young men said they would spend the night in the town square he warned them against doing that. He knew what would happen to them. And he eventually insisted they come under the safety of his own roof. He did not condone the sin of Sodom; but he excused it or, at least, found it safer to ignore it. How like many of us Christians today! Why make trouble? If we do, the world will kick us out of its fun places. We will be rejected, laughed at, outcasts. Let’s just let the world be the world. We don’t have to agree with their bad things. We can just not engage in those. But, after all, not everything is bad. Is it?

I find it interesting that the angels after saying God was about to destroy Sodom but they were sent to save Lot and all who were with him asked Lot who was with him beside his wife and daughters—for even his daughter’s husbands had mocked him and left their wives. The angels knew. They were making a point. Abram had had 318 trained men under his roof when the two of them had been together. What did Lot have now? He who had had so many riches of possessions that the land could not hold them all along with Abram’s possessions but the two had had to separate, he now was leaving Sodom with his wife, his two daughters and the clothes on his back. How he had fallen!

But worse was to come. And again because Lot always walked by sight. He always walked by what seemed right to him. The angels had said go to the high country (Genesis 19:17); but Lot said “I am too afraid to go to the mountains. But look, there is a nice insignificant (so its name “Zoar” means) little city; let me go there.” And God made provision to allow Lot to have his will rather than His.

God will do that. If you keep insisting on having your way, God will let you have it. And you will indeed reap the consequences. And what were the consequences for Lot? Well, they didn't end there. Even Zoar proved to be no safe haven for Lot and the last we see of him in the Old Testament is a man living in fear, hiding in a cave with nothing but his two daughters. And it gets worse. He gets drunk and has incestuous relations with them, getting both pregnant and creating two future evil nations. (Genesis 19:30-38)

Walk in your own wisdom, if you like; choose your own ways; make your own accommodations with God (so you think). But the God of this Universe, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, is not mocked. Be sure your sin will find you out. And you WILL reap the consequences unless you confess it to Him and are willing to forsake it and allow Him to remove it.

So what does all of this have to do with the topic at hand? That of Christians making bad choices. After all, if we are Christ’s—truly Christ’s—then we are saved forever. Therefore, then, one who sins cannot be Christ’s. Right? Lot died lost. No?

Well, I said that that ultimate degradation of incest is the last we hear of Lot in the Old Testament. But God was not done in using him to teach us something very important about His grace and mercy.
You see, God returns to the subject of Lot once more … in the New Testament. Through Peter’s pen, the Holy Spirit says this:

[SUP]“ 4 [/SUP]For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; [SUP]5[/SUP] and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; [SUP]6 [/SUP]and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; [SUP]7 [/SUP]and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men [SUP]8 [/SUP](for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), [SUP]9[/SUP] then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, [SUP]10[/SUP] and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.” (2 Peter 2:4-9)​

You and I would have said Lot was lost. No way that man doing those things was God’s. Yet he was. We see it here. He was “righteous” in God’s eyes. Even though he chose to live his way, he did know God and was tormented by the things he saw. knowing them to be an affront to God. Lot was a recipient of God's promise, just as you and I are. He had been raised by Abram under the promise of God and had acknowledged both God and God’s promise as an adult. Yet he had been drawn away by his own lusts. Nevertheless, as God shares with us here, Lot was continually vexed by the evil around him. It tormented him. But relying on his own strength and imprisoned by his own desires, he did not have the strength to overcome. But while he was justified by his position; he was not sanctified in his condition. Lot is the very picture of a carnal Christian. Remember that but for the sacrifice of Christ and the grace of God you and I would be no different from Lot! In fact, as sad as it is to say this, the majority of people in church pews today are Lots.

Thank God that the grace of God is greater than any sin of man. Thank God that as low as I might go, His grace will always reach deeper! Oh how the Pharisee hates that thought! O, how the legalist fights against that truth! But it is God’s truth! My failure will never negate His faithfulness; my poor performance will never negate His perfect promise; my dereliction of obedience will never negate his determination for my soul. I thnbak god that He did not wrap up the story of Lot in the Old Testament, placing the information about his spirit being vexed by the sin around him there. Had He done so, we could see "Well, that's Old Testament. It doesn't apply in the New." But god in His wisdom placed the rest of the story in the New Testament: thus ensuring that we would see it indeed applies to today.

But that said, let me issue a most severe warning ... because I know there are some godless people who will say that I am condoning sin and that I am saying God winks at it. He does NOT. And if you say I have said that, then the Lord rebuke you!.

Paul wrote on the subject of the capacity of grace always surpassing the compass of our sin: “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer in sin?” (Romans 6:1-2) God is not mocked. Be sure your sin will find you out. You WILL reap what you sow. As surely as God exposed Abram’s lie, He will expose yours. And He will do it because He loves you. I know. I have lived it. I have manifested Abram’s breakdown in trust. And I have also wandered after the error of Lot. But God in His mercy has always exposed me, and saved me, and brought me back to the right path. He will always do the same for you.

“But,” you may say, “Lot did okay. He’s in Heaven. So what’s the problem?” Well, there are three.

First Lot did NOT do okay. He did for a while, but he lived with seeing it all taken from him. Everything he had, he lost. Everything. God was not going to allow one of His people reap a reward from sin; rather, He ensured he would receive only its wages. Lot had NO reward here on earth as the blessings evaporated. He reaped a most unhappy life.

Second, Lot's sin caused his daughters to sin in a most dreadful way and resulted in generations of misery to follow. Make no mistake: your sin will harm others. You may think of it as a secret sin, as a self-involving sin, but it WILL impact others. It will affect them because it will affect YOU. You will not be the man or the woman of God He has called you to be; and thus you will not be the man or the woman of God that your family, your neighbors, your co-workers, the lost, the wounded and the straying need to see. And because of that their pain will continue longer and they are more likely to be overcome of sin themselves. Sin is the ultimate selfishness. And the ultimate opposite of God and His love.

Third, Lot has no reward in Heaven. For the sake of a few fleeting years of fleshly pleasures he is spending eternity saved but with no crowns, and no rewards that those around him are enjoying. He is absent from the "Faith Hall of Fame" in Hebrews 11; and he is present only on the very lowest rung of that glorious city, the Heavenly Jerusalem.. And while being in Heaven is glorious, how much more glorious to live there in the fullness of the rewards that are laid up for us there and which can never be taken away! Even if you could live the richest, greatest life on earth for 150 years with every single thing you could ever want, it would be as nothing in the face of an eternity— not 150 years, not 150 thousand years, or 150 million, or billion, or trillion … but an eternity that never ends and in which the rewards or lack of them will never end. Think on that the next time you desire a momentary pleasure. (And please understand I am not necessarily speaking only of gross sins of the flesh; I am speaking of ALL sin, everything that puts self first.)

We cannot avoid temptation; but we CAN deal with it. You see, Christ won the victory for us over everything at the Cross. When He said, “It is finished!” it was finished indeed. All that we need for salvation and sanctification was accomplished there. And we appropriate it to ourselves by faith. Just as we are saved by faith, we are sanctified by faith.

When battling besetting sins, we need to stand in faith, understanding and believing that we already have the victory over it through what Christ did. Then if we are overcome by the sin, we immediately confess it. We do not deny it; we do not lessen it; we do not make excuses for it. We state simply to God that this is my sin and it is mine alone. I do it because I like it. But I also know that this is not good for me or pleasing to You. And I am caught between pleasing myself and pleasing You. With my mind I want to please you but my flesh is too strong for me. I cannot win this by anything I can do myself. I believe that Christ has already given me the victory over this thing; therefore my own weakness cannot undo that victory. I will not heed the evidence of my eyes or my experience or anything said by anybody. I will believe only that Christ has given me the victory and that You will work that victory out in my life. Therefore, no matter how many times I will fail, I will set my heart to obey You and trust completely that You will do the work in me as I maintain my faith in that victory being real.”

That, my friends, is living by faith. And only by faith CAN we live. (Habakkuk 2:4; Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38) When, by faith, we stand on Christ’s victory, believing that it WILL be evidenced in our own life, it WILL happen! God the Father will command it because He always honors His Son and rewards faith in Him. Jesus will ensure it because He always intercedes for those whose faith is in Him and what He did at Calvary. And the Holy Spirit will do it because He works within the parameters of Christ’s finished work on the Cross and when we evidence that faith He can work.

So examine yourself. As I do myself. Do you want to be a carnal Christian?

First of all, a word of caution. Lot may have been carnal but he knew who God was and in his spirit he was tormented by the evil around him. He may have been lukewarm but he knew God hated evil. And his own soul was vexed by the evil around him. If you are not vexed by evil, if you are not disturbed by sin, then I suggest you are not Christ’s. If you have God the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you, you WILL be disturbed by sin: you will never be able to simply accept it or disregard it … whether in others or in yourself. It will torment you. Measure yourself against this, then, and make sure that you are saved. You measure not by outward performance but by inner desire. If the performance is there as a result of God working in you, awesome! If it is not but the desire is there and you truly trust Christ and desire to walk with Him and please Him, then you are on the right path. If you could not care less—you just want to avoid an eternity in hell—forget it. You do not know Christ and you have not been born again. Repent for real and turn to Your Savior and He will save you and you will KNOW you have been saved by the fresh and clean desire in your heart. You may be weak in the flesh but you will not make allowances for it and you will desire to see a God-pleasing life manifested in your being.

But if you know that you know that you know you are saved, then what are you doing back in your vomit and back in your mire? You do not belong there. And the God who moved heaven and earth and spared nothing to save you will spare nothing to also sanctify you. He will certainly not spare your soulish life. If He loves you He will chasten you and it could cost you everything. But if it anchors your faith in Him and enables you to receive the eternal rewards He has laid up for you in Heaven, then it will be worth it.

But why not make it easy on yourself? Why desire unnecessary chastening? Why not desire to live the life that God has in His will for you? THAT will be “your best life now.” Not the godless, fleshy, worldly “best life” that Joel Osteen speaks of, not the elevated self life that the Name it and Claim It preachers speak of, but the resurrection life in Christ by which you will enjoy an increasingly close walk with Him on earth, increasing usefulness in His service here, and the resulting rewards and blessings that will be yours in eternity when this life is over.

The decision is yours. Today is the day of decision. You are not guaranteed a tomorrow. Eternity is too long to regret a bad decision now.
 

mattfivefour

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Me too, brother. :nod And you and I will reach it because it is HE who guarantees it. He is the author and the finisher of our faith. As long as we are truly in the faith in the first place we will make it. And I have no doubt we will, because it is in His hands. Glory to God!
 

sara ann

Well-Known Member
as usual I have a question...if you are a lukewarm Christian ...then Jesus says 'I never knew you"....so Lot was not lukewarm...he knew God but didn't follow him...didn't put Him first, he followed self...right? so what is a lukewarm Christian? one who puts on a show for society to be like the world? to fit in?? I missed something, guess I need to read again....thanks for posting !!!:hug
 

livingskies

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Huh. That was very interesting. I have been reading a lot on gracethrufaith how OT and post-rapture saints were/will be responsible for maintaining their salvation. But Lot was sure no stellar example of repentance or righteous living. I am reading through Genesis and read Lot's story, but the NT reference to him being righteous in God's sight, wow. As usual, more to chew on.:nod
 

mattfivefour

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as usual I have a question...if you are a lukewarm Christian ...then Jesus says 'I never knew you"....so Lot was not lukewarm...he knew God but didn't follow him...didn't put Him first, he followed self...right? so what is a lukewarm Christian? one who puts on a show for society to be like the world? to fit in?? I missed something, guess I need to read again....thanks for posting !!!:hug
Sis, read the passage again carefully.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: [SUP]15[/SUP] ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. [SUP]16 [/SUP]‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. [SUP]17 [/SUP]‘Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, [SUP]18 [/SUP]I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. [SUP]19 [/SUP]‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. [SUP]20 [/SUP]‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. [SUP]22 [/SUP]‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”​

First let's note that the word "church" here is the common word ekklesia (ek-leh-SEE-a) which means "the called out ones". It was not initially an ecclesiastical term but a secular one ... used in Greek society to refer to an assembly of citizens called together for some purpose. The writers of the NT adopted it to refer to the called out believers when they assembled corporately. Incidentally, our English word "church," which many translations use to translate ekklesia, itself comes from the koiné Greek kyriakos (kih-ree-a-KOSS) which means "belonging to the Lord."

But addressing a gathering corporately as an ekklesia does not necessarily mean that individually all in it are truly ekklesia. And I would suggest from the above message that perhaps the majority of the church there were not truly called out ones ... ie" they were not truly Christians although they assembled as part of the church. They clearly thought they were, but they were in ignorance of their true condition. Here's the evidence:

They were "wretched and miserable and poor and naked." No Christian is naked before God. He is clothed in Christ's linen of righteousness. Nor is He wretched. These ones needed "to buy gold" (symbolizing holiness) and "white garments" (symbolizing the righteousness with which God clothes His people.) True spiritual gold and white linen were purchased by Christ. No man can purchase them or supply them for himself. Christ alone can provide them and we receive them by faith at the once-for-all moment of our salvation. Further, these people were naked and would be revealed as such unless they obtained this clothing from God ... which clearly they did not have. And they were blind; therefore they did not have their spiritual eyes opened. None of that can apply to a Christian; for it is the Holy Spirit that both clothes us and opens our eyes when we are saved. Next, Christ is not IN the church but outside it: knocking at the door. And to those individuals who open the door of their life to them He will come in and sup with them ... just as He did with Abraham in his tent on the plains of Mamre (Genesis 18:1-8). For all of the foregoing reasons, I state that the people whom Christ was addressing in the Laodicean church were not saved. They were the ones who had a form of religion, an appearance of Christianity and who, perhaps, did many things in Christ's name. But they are exactly the ones to whom He would say in eternity: "Depart from Me, I never knew you." Remember, He NEVER knew them ... not that He knew them but cast them out because they did not live up to some standard. They were never His to begin with. And note also that to this church He does not speak of their love for Him, at all. To the disobedient church at Ephesus he had written "You have left your first love." Not so the Laodiceans. They never had a love relationship with Him int he first place.

A lukewarm Christian is a misnomer. A lukewarm person is one who accepts intellectually that there is a God but never makes a true heart commitment (ie: never repents and calls on Christ as their one hope) to Him. They are not a Christian. If they were they would either be cold (like Lot) or hot (like Abraham). They would either willingly surrender their own will to follow God in obedience or struggle with surrendering the pleasures of the flesh and thus do not follow God in true obedience. They KNOW they are cold; just as we who are on fire for Christ know we are on fire. And they are convicted by it, as was Lot. Unfortunately, like Lot, they lacked the fullness of character, the inner will, to act on that conviction.

But look at God's mercy to he lost ones sitting among the members of that church. He says that He loves them and is reproving and disciplining them so that they will be eager to repent and will invite Him into fellowship with them. And those who do believe in Christ as Messiah—ie: the Anointed One of God, the Savior and Lord—will be granted the right to sit with Him on His throne!!! What a promise! What grace!

"Ah, but pastor," someone is saying, "Scripture actually says 'To him that overcomes I will grant to sit down with Me on My throne' not to the one who believes in Christ." "Ah, but dear seeker," I reply, "what does 1 John
5:5 says? It says, 'Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"

Anyway, Sara Ann, does this help at all? If, after prayerful consideration of this, it does not then let me know what is still troubling you and I will try to do a better job of explaining it.
 

mikhen7

Freed By Christ to Serve Christ
William Borden was a man that had life given to him on a silver spoon. He traveled the world in luxury and sailed the seven seas visiting other nations. Then one day He met Jesus. He met Him in the poor and the underprivileged that he saw in the nations he visited-in the poverty he saw all around him. It was then that God gripped his heart and he turned a 180 for Jesus. Soon after he enrolled in Yale Divinity school to study theology. In his diary he wrote the following concerning the consecrated life:

“Say ‘no’ to self, ‘yes’ to Jesus every time. In every man’s heart there is a throne and a cross. If Christ is on the throne, self is on the cross; and if self, even a little bit, is on the throne, Jesus is on the cross in that man’s heart…If Jesus is on the throne, you will go where He wants you to go. Jesus on the throne glorifies any work or spot…”
While the world lamented a wasted life from their perspective, Borden had lived to invest in eternity. In an obscure place in Cairo, Egypt there is a simple grave marking the place where Borden was buried. His epitaph says it all: “Apart from Christ, there is no explanation of such a life.”

Adrian, what a beautiful expression of the difference between a life lived in sold out glory to God and one that could have lived in sold out glory to God. It is deserving of mention that God has indeed finished the positional work of the eternal inheritance in the life of the believer:

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(Ephesians 2:4-9)

So what now? As Adrian has so articulately stated we have a choice to either live by faith within the glorious confines of the riches of God's grace or we as carnal Christians can place that glorious gift in the places of filth. God deals with each individually but never let it be said that His work completely finished on the cross, for salvation and for the price of redemption to purchase our forlorn souls, it did finish, but His work in us will never be finished till we take our last dying breath or we are caught up to the throne of heaven to stand in His presence. The big question Adrian raises is which way will you have it? God's way or yours? Should you choose to take a light view of sin and live in an unconsecrated manner you will reap the rewards of His discipline and live without reward in eternity. Should you choose to live a life of love and reverence for the Lord--one of daily confession, humility, and acceptance of the path God daily sets before you, you will reap an overwhelming heaping of His grace.

May God be blessed and Adrian's heart for the believer be magnified in the service God set's before him.
God Bless
 

BUTTERFLY

Member
Wow this thread is a lesson God is trying to get through my thick head!! I do get lost at times and fall at times and boy its terrible. I have had heavy consequences just because of the company around me. Still dealing with non believers everywhere I am. I fall cause its the way of the world and I know I don't belong in this world. I have just turned a cheek to things that are terrible in the sight of God. I have drank with drunkards and fallen so hard not ever meaning too. This is such a lesson I really don't want to end up like Lot loosing everything and hiding. Yet I have found myself there . God forgive me I dont want to walk in the ways of the world. Thank You for this teaching really answered the prayer I had this morning in teach me your ways Lord. I love it when the lord answers prayer and its a straight to the heart!!!

Thank you for this teaching I am going to read it again.:thumbup
 

Kem

Citizen
Thank you Adrian for this most excellent teaching. I am one who would have been a greater blessing to those around me if I had not insisted on my own way from time to time. God's mercy brought me back to the narrow way each time and how I praise Him for his kind faithfulness, forgiveness and patience. This forum is blessed to have you here teaching us. I do tremble at times thinking of the judgement seat and what God might have allowed me to do for Him had I never turned to the right or to the left from obeying Him from childhood.
 
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