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who's who of Bible Prophecy teachers (and who to avoid and why...

Discussion in 'Apostasy in the Local Church' started by billiefan2000, Jun 26, 2010.

  1. billiefan2000

    billiefan2000 Well-Known Member

    posting this from Who's Who in Bible Prophecy

    which has a well good list

    as a guide of which folks to avoid and also to show that false teachings when it comes to end times (as seen with many below) can lead to other kinds of bizarre or outright false teachings

    and is also a educational guide. many of these folks btw have been mentioned here before.

    Richard F. Ames Television presenter of the Living Church of God (LCG) and co-host of "Tomorrow's World," another so-called end-times TV broadcast and bi-monthly magazine subscription. He is second in command to the organization's head, Roderick C. Meredith.

    He has eccentric views of Bible prophecy (i.e., LCG followers are "Philadelphians" and will be protected during the great tribulation for 3 1/2 years), usually found in his numerous publications or published online at

    He has a book on prophecy in the Middle East, and teaches that church members should not participate in juries, politics or military service. He rejects orthodox beliefs of heaven and hell, the Trinity, salvation by grace alone and the bodily resurrection of Jesus.

    Doug Batchelor Prestigious defender of Seventh-Day Adventism, host of the popular "Amazing Facts" television program. Also hosts "Bible Answers Live" radio show. Many of his prophecy teachings are rejected by mainstream prophecy scholars and teachers. He, and other Adventists use "bait and switch" tactics at highly-publicized prophecy seminars (after many hours of prophetic teaching, participants are eventually told they will receive the "mark of the beast" if they don't convert to a Seventh-Day Adventist).

    Many Christians are duped by this tactic due to their lack of Bible prophecy knowledge. These "Revelation seminars" promote doctrines that are required knowledge for membership or baptism in the SDA church.

    For example, popular teachings are the "great *****" of Babylon in Revelation 17 & 18 is the Catholic church, and the "daughters of the *****" are Protestant Sunday-keeping churches of today. The origins of SDA doctrine are rooted in date setting, false prophecies and legalism.

    Irvin Baxter, Jr. Has unique views of prophecy, says they are "his" theories, and thus has many good and bad ideas. He has a correct view on Israel's role in history, and correctly argues against preterism. He says we are now living in the midst of the sixth trumpet of Revelation 9, and we may soon witness the annihilation of 2 billion people. The fifth trumpet he claims began in 1991 when Saddam Hussein (Saddam means "the destroyer") set Kuwaiti oil fields on fire, and ended with his execution in December 2006. Mainstream scholars consider that absurd.

    He hosts the popular radio broadcast, "Politics & Religion," and is founder of Endtime Ministries at

    He does not accept the doctrine of the Trinity, and is affiliated with the United Pentecostal Church which claims its methods are the only true way to salvation.

    He also rejects a pre-tribulation rapture based on Revelation 20:4-6 which he claims is the "first resurrection." He fails to follow the text which clearly describes this first resurrection as being for the martyrs of the tribulation period after Christ's Second Coming.

    Shawn Boonstra Canadian-born director of the Seventh-Day Adventist's "It Is Written" international television program, his teaching is focused on "unlocking" the signs of the end-times.

    As with all SDA prophecy teaching, his focus is on the books of Daniel and Revelation. Following the strategies of other popular SDA prophecy teachers, he also produces a graphical instructional series on DVD. His production is called "Signs of the Appearing," which is also sold as a "graduate course," found at

    Great artwork isn't great prophecy teaching.

    John Bradshaw A Seventh-Day Adventist from New Zealand, he uses clever advertising to attract people for an evening prophecy seminar that is really a week-long indoctrination.

    He teaches that Sunday worshippers are the mark of the beast, and those who attend the complete series will be told that the Seventh-day Adventist denomination is the "one true church of Christ."

    All other denominations are labeled "Babylon" or the "harlot daughters of Babylon" and called false churches. Those who attend these meetings will be called to "come out of Babylon" into the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination.

    Harold Camping President of Family Radio, he teaches that God has done away with the Church, and he maintains that the Holy Spirit has left the Church which has no power to proclaim the gospel.

    He calls for his followers to flee churches and form fellowships around his teachings. His allegorical interpretations of Bible prophecy are well known.

    He is famous for his failed prophecy concerning the return of Christ in September 6, 1994, and has predicted the rapture will be May 21, 2011, along with the end of the world. He claims that the two witnesses in Revelation 11:3 are the church collectively.

    Having written over 30 books and booklets, he is the epitome of a heretic and a false prophet.

    Andrew CorbettAustralian pastor who has written extensively on the end-times. He claims to understand what the Bible really says about the future and the rapture.

    He's an outspoken "partial preterist" who claims most Bible prophecy has already been fulfilled, though Jesus Christ is yet to return.

    Like most preterists, he incorrectly claims the origins of the rapture began with 16th century Jesuit Francisco Ribera "who is the father of the futurist eschatological system."

    He considers a literal view of Bible prophecy as heresy. He also writes against the Left Behind teachings of Tim LaHaye and similar eschatology at

    Gary DeMar reformation preterist and historian, he has published several books. He has difficulty with anything labeled "end-times" which he calls "madness," in one of his books, and thus is a sincere prophecy teacher sincerely wrong.

    He has had debates with scholars like Dr. Tommy Ice. On a positive note, he is an excellent speaker on religion in government and politics, and is a great defender of the faith. He is editor of Biblical Worldview magazine, and president of American Vision

    Scott Dryer He is an international teacher of Bible prophecy, terrorism and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

    He has thousands of hours of study devoted to the history of the conflicts in the Middle East from a Biblical perspective, and believes the scriptures point to a Syrian Antichrist and a Persian/Iranian False Prophet.

    He wrongly contends the rapture does not occur until the end of the tribulation period, but does correctly argue that Christ will reign a literal 1000 years. He is an author, speaker and founder of

    Gerald Flurry Pastor General of the Philadelphia Church of God, founded in 1989 on the doctrines of the late Herbert W. Armstrong. Having served under Armstrong as a minister in the Worldwide Church of God before sweeping doctrinal changes, he never wavered.

    His wacky prophecy teaching continues on "The Key of David" television broadcast,

    through the monthly magazine, "The Philadelphia Trumpet," and via booklets.

    He claims, "God placed me into the office of a prophet," and "I am intimate with God in a way no one else is directly." He also states, "In fact, 'king' and 'counselor' apply to the office I hold." He probably eats manna too.

    Charlene Fortsch Raised as a Canadian Seventh-Day Adventist, she wrote a book on understanding the four visions of Daniel. She claims her book reveals the simple and perfect structure of Daniel.

    She points out that prophetic rules of interpretation (hermeneutics) are followed very consistently throughout all of Daniel's four visions, and that hermeneutics are developed from the Bible itself, useful in any denomination.

    She believes there are many different definitions for the rapture, and considers the pre-tribulation rapture a "wholly unscriptural secret event."

    Kenneth Gentry Developed post-millennial preterism, a newer, often confusing view of Bible prophecy. He once stated, "If you're familiar with the Apostles Creed,

    it simply says Christ is coming again and doesn't tell us much about it. So that generally was the earliest Church's description of eschatology."

    Apparently the apostle John, who wrote the book of Revelation by authority of Jesus Christ, had no input on the subject?

    Robert Gundry One of the few ever booted out of the Evangelical Theological Society because of his use of a liberal Reformed approach to the New Testament called "redaction criticism."

    A very smart person who has attempted to intellectualize the Scriptures and Bible prophecy, but is not consistent.

    For example, once being dispensational and pre-tribulational, he turned against the pre-tribulation rapture view, then developed a new confusing type of post-tribulationism called "dispensational post-tribulationism." Now that's a mouthful.

    Hendrik (Hank) Hanegraaff Dutch-born host of the popular "Bible Answer Man" radio broadcast. Chairman of Christian Research Institute International (CRI). Excellent defender of the faith when it comes to cults, evolution and the New Age.

    However, he is one of the most outspoken critics of the pre-tribulation rapture, calling it "anti-Semitic" eschatology.

    He is a model "partial preterist" who rarely admits it on air, but loves to use deep theological terms when defending his positions. A well known author and speaker, he has written many books.

    However, scholars take issue with his eschatology, with some calling it "strange theology."

    Sadly, various Christian media have reported his past to be riddled with accusations of misuse of ministry funds, excessive pay to himself and his spouse, poor treatment of employees, and his controversial takeover of CRI.

    (billiefan2000 side note: I have some respect for hank when it comes to calling out the false teachings of the word of faith and emergent movements, but I disagree with hank's views on the end times)

    Jonathan Hansen Founder and President of World Ministries International (WMI) Produces the radio and television program "Warning" which gives political, religious and economic warnings to the world.

    He is a self-proclaimed prophet of God, claims to be 100% accurate (they all do),

    and says he has received specific prophecies to more than 30 nations. He states the Church is in need of the true prophetic voice of God (him) for this last hour, and the life of a prophet (him) is of hardship and suffering, loneliness and rejection.

    Another doomsday prophet who rejects the pre-tribulation rapture, his radio program might as well be named "Tribulation."

    Robert C. Harris Founder of Midnight Ministries, Inc. , he wrote a book to correct a majority of Bible prophecy experts on the subject of what he calls the "at-once" (pre-tribulation) rapture.

    Entitled "Midnight's Cry," he claims there are plenty of books detailing the rapture or the Second Coming, but only one tells the complete truth (his, of course). A preview of the book sheds light on his theology; a little New Age and a lot of ego. He has more than 50 "thought" questions for readers to ponder, and suggests that anyone who believes in a pre-trib rapture doesn't truly know the Lord. Finally someone has figured it out.

    Stan Johnson Head of The Prophecy Club, one of the most error prone prophetic ministries today, complete with a mix charismania, sensationalism and speculation replacing Biblical truth.

    Featured speakers make bizarre claims and predictions, and some have falsely predicted the start of the tribulation.

    Typical for these types of ministries, the basis is fear-mongering and manipulation, similar to cults.

    He calls himself an apostle, and his wife, Leslie, is a prophetess. He is also a self-proclaimed prophet, and has produced an anti-rapture book. Not surprising.

    James Lloyd Founder of the prophecy-based Christian Media ministry where he calls pre-trib rapture teachers "rapture cult" liars. He comes from an entertainment industry family that worked in television production writing commercials and scripts.

    He founded a Christian record label and produced records for contemporary Christian music. He wrote several books on Christian music, and after 20 years of studying Bible prophecy, he started writing prophecy books. He has written dozens of articles, and has a daily Bible prophecy broadcast called "The Apocalypse Chronicles." He is the epitome of a pre-trib rapture basher.

    He blames pre-tribulation rapture theology as the basis for the present-day "rapture cult" following. He states, "As an individual with the gift of prophecy, I truly believe the Lord has showed me many things concerning the 'hows' and 'whys' of the end of the age."

    Since 1992 he's been regularly predicting the imminent destruction of America. He now claims the opening of the sixth seal in Revelation has occurred, and the sealing of the remnant is now underway. His critics suggest it helps his book sales.

    Dave McPherson His claim to fame was being the very first person to purchase a Disneyland ticket at the age of 22 in July of 1955.

    He celebrated Disney's 50th anniversary in 2005 with that honorable mention.

    He began to vigorously attack the pre-tribulation rapture in the early 1970s, claiming his historical research showed that a teenage Scottish girl named Margaret Macdonald came up with the idea in the 1830.

    This happened when she was a member of the Catholic Apostolic Church. He claims all writings on the pre-tribulation rapture are full of revisions, cover-ups, altercations, deceptions and confusions. Summed up, it's a conspiracy. His books, riddled with errors, have been discredited with lacking historical method. Being an anti-pretribulationist has become his life's crusade.

    Texe Marrs President of Power of Prophecy Ministries, he is a leading conspiracy guru. Very intelligent, he has written dozens of books, and was an assistant professor of aerospace studies.

    His books are full of conspiracy theories, as he attempts to wrap Bible prophecy around conspiracies in every world event. Tabloid prophecy at its finest.

    Lonnie MelashEnko Another prominent Seventh-Day Adventist, considered an "elder," he is director of "The Voice of Prophecy" radio, Bible school, evangelistic ministry and vop.com. He was involved with "It Is Written" telecasts and directed prophecy seminars.

    He and his four brothers present gospel music concerts throughout North America and are known as the Melashenko Family Singers.

    He calls the pre-tribulation rapture the "secret rapture," and says the idea is a "real newcomer" in Christian theology, and doesn't have much of a history or "pedigree." This is a typical deception taught by Seventh-Day Adventists. Gospel singer, yes. Prophecy teacher, no.

    Roderick Meredith He founded the Global Church of God (GCG) in 1992 which he claimed was the "true church." He was eventually dismissed over authority issues, and then established the Living Church of God (LCG) in 1998.

    He was one of the first five evangelists ordained in 1952 by Herbert W. Armstrong. Meredith believes God chose him to "re-establish the true church" and that his members are the "spiritual heirs of the original Jerusalem Church of New Testament time."

    He denies the doctrine of the Trinity and he follows Armstrong's prophecy teachings. Members must keep Old Testament laws as part of their salvation. He co-hosts the TV program "Tomorrow's World," and publishes a magazine by the same name. Both are used in recruiting potential members for LCG.

    Arnold Murray He is pastor of Shepherd's Chapel in Gravette, Arkansas, with over 200 television stations carrying his teaching program.

    He claims to have no affiliation with any religious group or denomination. He denies the doctrine of the Trinity, denies the existence of hell, and says that 95% of churches teaching the rapture will accept the Antichrist as savior. He states that Eve had sexual relations with Satan.

    He made a false prophecy in the 1970's when he predicted the Antichrist would appear before 1981.

    He subscribes to the false doctrine of Anglo-Israelism (or British-Israelism) which is the belief that the British, Americans and Canadians are the true descendants of the so-called lost 10 tribes of ancient Israel.

    He claims to have a doctorate, but refuses to publicly state where he earned his degree. He claims his credentials are his ability to teach God's Word, which means interpreting verses in light of his pre-conceived ideas.

    Anyone who disagrees with him is called a false teacher.

    David Pack Pastor General of the Restored Church of God (RCG) which he founded after the Global Church of God (GCG) "disfellowshipped" him.

    He claims to stand for "precision of doctrine" and claims to know what the "true church" is today.

    Another offshoot of Herbert Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, he is another "founder" of a growing number of so-called "true churches" in America.

    He states that the two witnesses of Revelation will come out of his church,½, wilk will come under his supervision, and that he will train them for their 3½ year mission on earth. He broadcasts the television program "The World to Come" and offers "The Real Truth" magazine at thercg.org.

    Garrett Parrish Reformed thinker and writer, he is a preterist to the core.

    His eccentric theology and eschatology are examples of "I think therefore I'm right" syndrome, and the ailment "I know the truth because I read the Scriptures correctly." He claims to have "rightly divided the Word of God," a similar tactic used by Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists.

    He says the pre-tribulation rapture position is "man-pleasing," and therefore he is a God-pleaser because he teaches against it.

    He tries to disguise his acceptance of preterism (or replacement theology-the Church replaced Israel) by calling it "expansionist theology." He touts we are not living in the last days according to Isaiah 9:7 and Heb. 13:20 which state "the increase of His government will have no end, and is an everlasting covenant."

    He believes the tribes of Israel are no longer with us based on Rev. 1:7 (a verse about the Second Coming).

    Thus, later descriptions of the twelve tribes in Revelation 7 and 14 are meaningless, since Revelation is a past event in his theology. Apparently those living in Israel today just made up their nationality. He hosts the radio program "Bible Prophecy Fulfilled,"

    Richard H. Perry He is a staunch defender and debater of the rapture taking place at the end of the tribulation period. His teachings are similar to those of Irvin Baxter, applying major events of today to the seals of Revelation. He claims the first seal of Revelation was opened on September 11, 2001.

    He says the Lord told him to write the book, "The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Last Days," which he claims is one of the best books ever written on Bible prophecy.

    John Rittenbaugh Head of the Church of the Great God (CGG), another breakaway group that formed as a result the disintegration of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) following the death of Herbert Armstrong.

    The CGG identifies itself as "non-Trinitarian" and "Sabbath-keeping" as do other WCG splinter groups.

    His organization publishes "Forerunner" magazine

    He focuses on bringing "the true gospel" to the world as God's divine government is shortly going to be established on earth. Like all of the WCG splinter organizations, the CGG makes several claims of having "truth" along with delusional interpretations of end-times events

    this next name is a familiar one many may have heard of before

    Pat Robertson
    Noted for numerous false predictions, he claims that God gave him a mission, not to be a religious leader but to be an educator who would influence the center of our culture "from God's perspective." Has also claimed that God chose him "to usher in the coming of My Son." In 1982 and again in 1984 he predicted the tribulation period would begin in those years. On his 700 Club program he stated, "Anything coming through man is contaminated to some extent. Therefore, since the Bible came through man, there must be errors in it. So, we must never equate the Bible with the perfect Jesus." Scripturally confused, prophetically baffled, not sound in doctrine.

    (bf2000 side note: Pat has on his show many NAR and WOF teachers also.

    Michael Rood Noted for his ordination in The Way International in the 1970s, he is a doomsday prophet who denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

    He also claims Jesus is not "legally obligated" to rapture Christians before the tribulation period, as the Church is "fully deceived" at this time.

    He once predicted that a seventh millennium of earth's existence would begin on September 11, 1999, initiating "intermediate events" that amounted to a seven year tribulation.

    These events were to include the collapse of the world economy, the appearance of the Antichrist, the establishment of a global government, an attack on Israel, and more.

    Though he was wrong, he still claims to be correct on the end-times. He hosts a television program called "Rood Awakening" where he is dressed in Middle Eastern garb, wears a long beard, and sometimes has a staff.

    A self-proclaimed Messianic preacher, he claims that he alone teaches accurately and that following him and his teachings are the way out of deception.
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  2. billiefan2000

    billiefan2000 Well-Known Member

    part 2 of the list:

    Marvin Rosenthal long-time Bible preacher and teacher, he is one of the most outspoken proponents of Robert Van Kampen's "pre-wrath" rapture theory which claims we all go up sometime before the seventh trumpet of Revelation ensues. This view is somewhere between mid- and post-tribulational, sometimes called the three-quarters rapture view. He is executive director of Zion's Hope and founder of The Holy Land Experience, a living biblical museum in Orlando, Florida.

    He serves as editor of Zion's Fire, a monthly magazine claiming to deal with Israel and the Prophetic Word,

    As an author of many books, he appears to be prophetically confused, endorsing prophecy books by preterist Hank Hanegraaff and Seventh-Day Adventist Steve Wohlberg (and almost any book against the pre-tribulation rapture).

    this next one is great when it comes to speaking out against the emergent church, but is eschatologically confused

    R.C. Sproul A brilliant scholar and founder of Ligonier Ministries he is probably best known in prophecy circles for his support of preterism. He is a "partial preterist" which claims the events of most of the book of Revelation occurred during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., yet there will be a future bodily return of Jesus Christ. A difficult, confusing model of Bible prophecy, few scholars accept this form of eschatology which has roots in liberal covenant and reformation theology. He, along with other scholars, authored the Reformation Study Bible. He is a professor, pastor, teacher, conference speaker and author. He writes against the pre-tribulation rapture position

    Kevin Swift (no relation to singer taylor Swift in case anyone wanted to know :lol: :lol::

    Founder of Focus on the Prophecies Ministries, he claims to have seriously studied and combined the books of Daniel and Revelation from which a time chart of events emerged, a chart never seen before. When he discovered that time periods in the books of Daniel and Revelation merge into a prophetic chart, he later realized the chart fit between Jewish Festivals, which is found aT

    His beliefs are close to a pre-wrath rapture view, but not as commonly taught. He does not see a mass exodus of the church, but rather the mass resurrection of the saints (since "as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment," Hebrews 9:27). This event comes at the seventh seal, which in his view, occurs just prior to the destructive vials and trumpets during a very short, but great tribulation period. This could best be described as a "just-in-time rapture." He authored a book entitled "Appointed Times & Seasons Calendar, Divine Dates of End-Time Disaster & Deliverance" which further explains his eschatology.

    Paul Thigpen (my second attempt at humor/trivia: Paul is no relation to the late actress Lynn Thigpen)

    He is a former evangelical turned Catholic who claims to be an ex-fundamentalist and one-time rapture advocate. He wrote a book for ordinary Catholics looking for answers about the end-times, which attacks the pre-tribulation rapture. He believes many unsuspecting Catholics have gotten caught in the "rapture trap" mostly due to the "Left Behind" book series by Dr. Tim LaHaye. He claims that many protestants, without adequate religious training, accept LaHaye's teaching--"hook, line, and rapture." A student of Bible prophecy will find the Catholic view of prophecy is generally allegorical (non-literal), so therefore a literal rapture event would be a foreign concept.

    Walter Vieth He is a zoologist and scientist who correctly believes the theory of evolution does not provide a plausible explanation of our origins. Having written a number of books, he found through his Seventh-Day Adventist faith that Bible prophecy plays a major role in understanding ecological decline in the world. Along with his research which concentrates on animal disease transferal to man, he has become an ardent student of prophecy. When we put it all together, it's Seventh-Day Adventism all wrapped up in a nice package. In typical SDA style, dazzling videos and lectures can be found on his website at

    Tim Warner Founder of The Pristine Faith Restoration Society, a group of dedicated Christians "determined to research and promote the beliefs and practices of pristine Christianity." He is a well-studied post-tribulationist, and argues for the post-tribulation rapture position.

    He is a well-known debater against the pre-tribulation rapture position (which he calls a "myth"), is an author, and is head of The Post-Trib Research Center

    With volumes of information his views are argued well, but scholars contend he must first discredit scriptures that indicate there will be a pre-tribulation rapture. That, in turn, discredits his theories which do not hold up under close scrutiny. On a positive note, he argues against preterism.

    Ronald Weinland Former minister in the Worldwide Church of God (WCG), then a minister in the United Church of God (UCG), he now heads the Church of God - Preparing for the Kingdom of God (PKG). His church observes the 7th day Sabbath and the seven annual holy days in Leviticus 23, with a purpose to support, educate, and warn the scattered Church that was formerly united in the Worldwide Church of God. Several years ago he declared himself a prophet. He now claims to be the pastor of God's Church on earth, and is appointed to be God's final end-time prophet to the world. He also claims to be one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11, and that he will be slain in Jerusalem.

    Charles Weeling An author and publisher, he is founder of Charles Wheeling Prophecy Seminars. He publishes brochures, books, media, and has an email newsletter "News From the Desk of Charles Wheeling," containing news headlines and his views of current prophetic events. He also produces ProphecyQuest, an online blog. He believes that the writings of Ellen White, founder of the Seventh-Day Adventist movement, are for our day because she believed that she was living in the last days. He also writes against some of the prophetic teachings of White, creating adversaries amongst fellow Adventists who claim his method of interpretation is in direct opposition to theirs. He claims that long established errors have prevented a correct SDA interpretation in prophecy. Modern Bible prophecy scholars contend White was a not only a false "prophetess," but led thousands of Christians into confusion about Bible prophecy and the end-times.

    David Wilkerson Best known for his popular book "The Cross and the Switchblade" he has been a prominent predictor of end-time events. Sadly, many of his numerous doomsday predictions have never come true, making him a significant false prophet. Since the 1970s he has consistently written about the destruction of America. Many turn to him for prophetic wisdom, confused over Bible prophecy vs. prophetic predictions. Wilkerson is known to avoid Bible prophecy topics, rather suggesting a "pan-rapture" theology, meaning "if we trust in Jesus, it will all pan out

    Steve Wohlberg Author of several books and articles, and contributor to "Amazing Facts," he is another misguided teacher who focuses on attacking the pre-tribulation rapture view, even though it is widely accepted by mainstream prophecy scholars of today. Seventh-Day Adventists believe the rapture takes place at the end of the tribulation period, common with other groups that teach confusing, sometimes bizarre interpretations of prophecy.
    He heads a Seventh-Day Adventist website focused on their version of Bible prophecy.

    (billiefan2000 side note: Wohlberg does get a :thumbup for


    but I disagree with Wohlberg on his SDA and many other teachings.

    btw: we should be :praying for these folks and those who have been led astray by their false teachings or in cases like Sproul, their views on prophecy.
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  3. billiefan2000

    billiefan2000 Well-Known Member

    part 3 of 3 info for now. bio's at them arent mentioned at

    Who's Who in Bible Prophecy

    but there are mentioned as Bad Apple = avoid this teacher's prophecy doctrines, use extreme caution

    and here are some of those from that list (the names I recognize anyway)

    Mike Bickle (founder of the NAR pushing and False Prophet promoting IHOP in Kansas City

    Reginald Cherry (host of Key of David tv show)

    Ronald L. Dart (host radio show Born to Win)

    Tom Deckard (refers to himself as being a "apostle" and "prophet" and friend of Stan Johnson of the Prophecy Club (who is mentioned earlier in this post)

    Mark Finley (from It is written host and SDA teacher)

    Rick Joyner (hyper charismatic and apologist for Todd Bentley

    Charles (Chuck) D. Pierce (NAR pusher and False Prophet

    (recent video of him speaking


    (btw: Cindy Jacobs as is Pierce are both false prophets

    John Piper (apologist for Rick Warren

    Rick Warren (do a search on the apostasy section of the MB here of his teachings/comments he has made

    few examples of what he believes:




    C. Peter Wagner (NAR movement leader. has helped create so many of the false prophets/teachers that are in our churches nowadays

    Andrew Wommack (WOF teacher)

    Gabriel Ansley (date setter and self-professed prophet

    Bill Barnwell (pre-trib rapture basher and is a Preterist? cause he is frequently mentioned on preterist sites in a good way
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  4. ArmyofHeaven777

    ArmyofHeaven777 Well-Known Member

    Where Marrs goes wrong is not necessarily his conspiracy theories, but he blames the Jews/Israel for EVERY wicked deed in this world. He blames them for 9/11, owning the media, the current chaos in the middle east, and everything except for Lady Gaga's wickedness pretty much. One time he wrote a piece exposing Rick Warren and Richard Land, and somehow he managed to lump the Jews/Israel conspiracy into them(ie-Warren himself has made it clear that he's pro-Islam).

    For someone who's been a pastor for many, many years, I'm shocked he's not familiar with the prophecies in Zechariah 13, Ezekiel, and Romans chapters 9-11. He also believes in a faith + works-based salvation.

    BTW-very good list-I'll admit though as wacky Irvin Baxter is, it was stumbling on him initially that I got my foot in the door with bible prophecy.
  5. Rapture5212011

    Rapture5212011 New Member

    Will my posts be POSTED or will they be blocked?? I just sent a long one & saw that it was ONLINE & NOW it is GONE ? ? ? what gives ? ? ??
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    Rapture5212011 New Member

    Perchance it was REMOVED by Administrator since I am NEW here...????
  7. Chris

    Chris Administrator Staff Member

    Your posts are in violation of the rules.

    I've sent you a PM. Please read it carefully and get back with me. Thank you. :hat:
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  8. billiefan2000

    billiefan2000 Well-Known Member

    you arent alone when it comes to prophecy studying and coming across baxter when u started.

    Irvin Baxter is good at warning people about the MOTB that is coming and I give a :hat: to him on that issue

    but his Oneness beliefs and his views on prophecy I disagree with.

    I btw actually meet Irvin several years ago and he is a nice guy but I disagree with views on prophecy

    I btw am a Pre-Trib rapture believer (for the record)
  9. Faulty

    Faulty Well-Known Member

    About a week or so ago, I was listening to a R.C. Sproul podcast and he was making a statement to the effect that the scriptures are words of men that do not become divinely inspired until a believer reads them and God acts upon that reading, but if God don't "act" then it's just as faulty as any other man-made writing.

    I was a little stunned, having never heard him say anything like that before.

    It was on one of 'The Bible and Apologetics' podcasts that are currently being distributed through iTunes. Unfortunately, I don't recall which episode as there are at least 5 parts released on that series already, but I'm inclined to say it was part 1.
  10. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Well-Known Member

    R.C. Sproul has a number of "faulty" ideas. I have given up listening to him.
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  11. ArmyofHeaven777

    ArmyofHeaven777 Well-Known Member

    I'm not defending any of these prophesy teachings listed in the OP, but for the most part, the errors alot of these prophesy teachers can have(I'm guilty of it too) is that they will hit the fast-forward button to look into the future without even knowing it.

    For example - the 2012 big buzzword that has hit the markets. Of course it's a deception, but sometimes when we start to overthink ourselves, junk like this can get into our psyches a bit.

    Another example is looking into some of the Revelaton prophecies like the 7 kings in Rev 17, and trying to figure out who the "5 fallen" ones are. I've read web sites that think our 5 previous Presidents prior to Obama(namely Reagan, Ford, LBJ and JFK coming back from the dead) are these specific ones without any kind of basis.

    Or how about the 1980's when many thought the fall of communism would lead to world government and the latter days, when in fact not many of the Matthew 24 prophecies like the Days of Noah and Lot weren't even close to coming into fruition?

    Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

    Yes, while we have to be watchful and pray, and have to keep the propecies in Daniel and Revelation in our hearts, we all see through a glass darkly.
  12. myinnuendo999

    myinnuendo999 Well-Known Member

    I have enjoyed listening to R.C. Sproul and have learned a great deal from him. I have agreed with him for the most part EXCEPT for his position on Eschatology.

    I'm closest to the rendering of Scripture as I understand it by the leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit in my life to John Mac Arthur and he is also a pretribber.:thumbup:thumbup
  13. billiefan2000

    billiefan2000 Well-Known Member

    Who's Who in Bible Prophecy

    has a more and frequently up-dated list of good and bad and somewhat questionable teachers of prophecy
  14. ArmyofHeaven777

    ArmyofHeaven777 Well-Known Member

    I recently learned about Gary DeMar after a friend of mine recommended a book of his - he also attended a "prophecy" conference in 2006 with all of these NAR members. Supposedly, it was an "end times" conference, but the headliners in it were these NAR members with all of their "end times visions" ala Stacey Campbell. However - they pullled a bait and switch when they gave time to DeMar and Hannegraf, 2 Preterists, in the 2nd half of the prophecy conference. Now why would an "end times" conference invite 2 Preterists, who think ALL prophecies got fulfilled in 70 AD alone?

    Without going into all the details - it's as if DeMar and Hannegraf is telling everyone that Obama is an un-wicked President, the Emergent Church is figment of our imagination, and don't worry the economy won't crash(despite reports otherwise). No, our hearts shouldn't fail us for fear, but there's a difference between knowing truth and living on fear.
  15. OneDayNearer

    OneDayNearer Forgiven Much

    billiefan, thanks for the info. on Irvin Baxter. I have a co-worker who met him a couple weeks ago and has signed up for his Endtime Ministries newsletter and started attending some classes of his and really getting into it.

    She even got re-baptized this weekend in the name of Jesus only because she said her baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit wasn't valid and went against Scripture. (I don't know how they explain Matthew 28:19 then).

    That's what got me looking into Irvin baxter and what he believed. He is Oneness Pentecostal and doesn't believe in the Trinity, rather they believe that God only MANIFESTS Himself as Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. It sounds like they also add baptism and speaking in tongues as requirements for salvation, according to CARM - Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry.
  16. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Well-Known Member

    Yes, we need to be very careful and compare everything we hear to scripture ... and to the WHOLE counsel of scripture, not just a few verses conveniently pulled out because they support our beliefs.
  17. ArmyofHeaven777

    ArmyofHeaven777 Well-Known Member

    Yep - most of Rick Warren's followers defend him largely because he (supposedly)gives 90% tithe. So it's as if "This man gives a big chunk of his income as a tithe, so there's no way he can do no wrong!". With my experiences, those are the responses I've gotten, and the discussions exposing him would end right there.

    We all have to remember that God's Word is pure, perfect, and tried in the fire and purified 7 times. There's no "But nobody's perfect" or "We can't judge other people because we don't know their intentions" or "I make mistakes too", nor ifs ands or buts.
  18. billiefan2000

    billiefan2000 Well-Known Member

    just saw the list is updated at

    Who's Who in Bible Prophecy

    btw: C. Peter Wagner and Andrew Wommack and John Piper and Rick Warren all have red apples
  19. billiefan2000

    billiefan2000 Well-Known Member

    I would give Pastor Mark Ashton of Omaha Nebraska

    a red apple

    (aka bad apple= avoid this teacher's prophecy doctrines, use extreme caution

    (Mark who is a protege of Bill Hybels and also did the book called Future Shock: Jesus and the End of the World

    is trying having it both ways when it comes to prophecy

    (his church is endorsing pre-tribbers like Mark Hitchock

    and also preterist and pre-wrathers at same time

    (see) http://www.cccomaha.org/resources/docs/Future_Shock_Recommended_Resources.pdf

    actually, Mark Ashton

    [​IMG] deserves a red apple alone

    for not getting Christ Community Church of Omaha to

    renounce their ties the willow creek association Willow Creek Association - Find A Church

    (at least 8 other churches in Omaha since 2009 have dumped the WCA

    (though some of those 8 + are still promoting some of the stuff the WCA promotes and endorses in their churches

    Mark Ashton also deserves a red apple for promoting false teachers like Dallas Willard and Pete Scazerro at Christ Community Church of Omaha

    that and the fact some key leaders at Christ Community Church of Omaha are professed Interfaith activists and professed Universalists

    (despite it isnt a hidden secret about the Universalist Infiltration of wca churches in Omaha and also some CCC leaders have openly bragged online they support Interfaith groups

    but that is another issue for another day.
  20. WKUHilltopper

    WKUHilltopper Well-Known Member

    I've heard of these Hanegraaff and Sproul fellows listening to broadcasts, in the past, from Todd Friel and Ray Comfort programs. I don't remember if they were touting them, holding them in esteem or what--just heard their names mentioned by them. Can anyone clear this up?

    Thanks for this list. I don't do the follow up research or study the supplemental documents written by a lot of these folks (accept the one's posted on this site). I usually just rely on the Bible and don't read much other than that. So I don't know a lot of these names in the list anyway! LOL

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