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Need help with showing an Amillennial view is incorrect

Discussion in 'Christian Chat' started by Any Minute, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. Any Minute

    Any Minute Well-Known Member

    Does anyone here have advice on the best and simplest way to correct someone who holds to an Amillennial or preterist view?

    My daughter is dating a gentleman who comes from a Baptist background, used to believe pre-trib but has come to the conclusion that The Tribulation has already occured. I'm still trying to get out of him what he actually believes because so far it sounds like a mixed bag of theology. In our short conversations so far, he seems to hold to a form of replacement theology or the Church is spiritual Israel. My first step after prayer has been to listen to him and try to answer questions the best I can. Although I've personally come to the conclusion that R/T is wrong, trying to show others the error is more difficult.

    He seems to be well versed, studies scripture daily but so far is having trouble understanding that the Church and Israel are not the same. I believe he is a saved, born again believer but his theology concerns me. My daughter who has only been saved a few years holds to a dispensational pre-trib view but she has been challenged with defending the stance with someone who is well versed but incorrect imo. She has asked for our help and he was eager to speak with me about doctrine so I'm looking for advice from brothers and sisters who have dealt with simular situations.

    Where is the best place to start from? My first thought is to start with The Cross and salvation to make sure he has a firm grasp on that (I think he does) but his view on water baptism concerned me a little. What would be the next best place to show that Amillennialism is incorrect?
     
  2. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Super Moderator Staff Member

    I would suggest by showing pre-Trib, pre-Mil IS correct. If you lay out the Scripture, ALL of it, in context, it is clear.

    Never try to show the lie of the lie; always show the truth of the truth.
     
  3. Any Minute

    Any Minute Well-Known Member

    Yes, I think I see what your saying. Instead of going point by point trying to correct every inconsistancy, let the consistant truth stand on it's own. Just stating it is the correct position hasn't worked but I plan on spending more time with him and going through scripture with him.
    I just spoke with him, he's visiting today, and we have agreed to talk and share via e-mail. It's going to be a challenge but one the Lord
    must think we're ready for because I believe He has placed us in this situation for a reason.
     
  4. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Super Moderator Staff Member

  5. acceptedinthebeloved

    acceptedinthebeloved Well-Known Member

    With this person (especially since they seem to be fairly-well studied), I might start with how all of the 73 NT references to the word "Israel" mean "Israel" (and not "the Church"). They will try to insist that Galatians 6:16 "the Israel of God" means "the Church" (and therefore, the way they see it, the other times it is used it refers to "the Church" as well).

    Once he can get a good grasp on how "Israel" is "Israel" and "the Church" is "the Church," in Scripture, it seems you'll have a much easier time filling in the rest of the blanks... if or when you get that far. :thumbup So that is where I'd start.



    Here's a pretty good article on that:

    "How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"

    The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament

    From the article:


    Hope this helps a little. :hat:
     
  6. Any Minute

    Any Minute Well-Known Member

    Thanks acceptedinthebeloved, I think that is the type of direction I'm looking for. That is a very good article and I will spend more time going through it today.

    I have many of the articles printed off from the main page already. He's familiar with the pre-trib position and he said he's not dogmatic in his rejection of it. To me, that leaves room for teaching and learning about the errors of his position.
    I'm going to leave the rapture timing alone for now and concentrate on showing the differences between the Church and Israel because that is where his confusion stems from.

    Our conversations were all over the place yesterday on many Bible topics and I focused on what we do agree on, so now I will try to narrow down and focus on individual positions that are held in error.

    He is a very interesting and intelligent young man, has a great passion for living for the Lord, is ex-millitary and college educated with a math major. Funny thing is, as we visited some of my family yesterday to help with some building projects (he was in awe of farm life :lol:), he correctly noticed how their J.W. beliefs are wrong but doesn't realize that his own replacement theology is not much different than theirs.

    Thanks again Matt and AITB, feel free to give any other suggestions. If anyone feels moved to :pray: for him, his name is Brian.
     
  7. Any Minute

    Any Minute Well-Known Member

    Middletown Bible church - Know about our Lord Jesus Christ, Salvation, Sin, Truth and More

    Wow acceptedinthebeloved, what a link! I just went to the home page and discovered a wealth of information. Just what I was looking for and all in one place!
    I would almost consider moving to CT. to attend a church that taught like that. :lol: Of course having access to it all online is probably even better.

    I've got my Bible open on the desk and I'm gonna dig in to that site for awhile.
     

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