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7 Things the Islamic experts won't tell you

Discussion in 'Modern Cult Groups & Errant Religions' started by IGWT, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. IGWT

    IGWT Well-Known Member

    7 Things the Islamic experts won't tell you!

    About Islam's worldview - The Muslims of Islamic states, and many within the USA, have the tradition of a worldview that divides humanity into two opposing halves. Dar al-Islam, House of Islam, is the zone where Islam rules. The other side is the war zone that is called, Dar el Harb, House of War. This worldview dictates that war will continue between these two sections of humanity until the supremacy of Islam is fully established throughout the earth.

    About deceptive revisions of the Koran - There has been a great effort among Muslim translators to enhance Islam's appeal and reputation among people of other faiths. To accomplish this they have adopted a slanted, freestyle method of translating certain sections of the Koran. This is done to veil the truth about their religion's primitive barbarism and contempt for Christians and Jews that is revealed in the original Arabic texts. Here is an example from the new French translation of the Koran in regard to the Jews. It reads, "The people of Israel will be twice destroyed as an innocent victim, and God will reward them by elevating them to great heights." The original translation reads just the opposite. "The people of Israel, after sowing corruption twice on earth for the purpose of dominating other people, will push themselves up into a position of extreme power before being punished by God."

    About the Koran's violent verses - The Koran was written in two major stages. These have been integrated and arranged by chapter length as opposed to the chronological order in which they were initially written. The first part was penned in the early years of the Islamic movement while Mohammed was living in Mecca, Arabia. The experts boast the verses from these chapters as proof that Islam is a bastion of peace, love, and tolerance. They avoid references to verses from the second and largest portion of the Koran. It was written after the movement relocated its headquarters to Medina, Arabia, and increased in strength. These verses often reflect religious intolerance and encourage cruel hostility towards non-Muslims. Here are two examples that were aimed at Jews, Christians, and Arabs that clung to traditional tribal polytheistic beliefs. - So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…. (Koran 9:5) The only punishment of those that wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut-off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned…. (Koran 5:33)

    About the stage of weakness/the stage of strength strategy - The stark differences in the tone of the verses that were written in Mecca and those written in Medina exposes a tactic that has been characteristic of Islam throughout its history. Traditionally, Muslims determine the strength of the religion in various settings as being in one of two states; the stage of weakness and the stage of strength. When Muslims are in the minority and perceive that they are vulnerable, it is their custom to agree to most anything and to be conciliatory towards other religious groups. The moment that they sense superiority in numbers and influence, a form of ruthlessness sets in. They begin to oppress minority religious groups and to demonstrate a blatant disregard for the agreements that they made during the stage of weakness.

    About sanctioned lying - Unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam does not simply make a provision for forgiveness if one tells a lie; it actually encourages lying in certain situations. This is evident in both the Koran and the Hadith. The latter is a collection of Mohammed's sayings and deeds according to his wives, relatives, and companions. Next to the Koran, it is the most important part of Islamic law. In the Hadith, Mohammed was quoted as saying, "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with the exception of those spoken to reconcile two men that are quarreling, for a man to appease his wife, and in war, because war necessitates deception." This is what often makes life such a nightmare for non-Muslim women that marry Muslim men. Without the pangs of conscience, men are licensed to appease their wives with promises which they have no intention of keeping. In addition, within Islam there is the principle of "Al Takeyya." The term means, "prevention". This principle permits Muslims to lie at their discretion whenever they interpret that it is expedient for the influence of Islam or their personal protection and well-being. They justify lying by using the following verse as a springboard for expanded applications of Al Takeyya. "Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming." (Koran 3:27) The principle of Al Takeyya is precisely what makes negotiations with Islamic statesmen such a frustrating endeavor for the naïve diplomats of Christianized nations. It is imperative that diplomatic envoys learn that when dealing with Muslims, what Muslim statesmen say is not the issue. The real issue is, what do they mean and actually intend to do in their hearts.

    About the depth of hatred for the West - The pro-Islam experts endlessly reiterate that only a small number of Muslims would qualify as West-hating-radicals. The claim is that the majority are peace-loving moderates. This may be true of the majority of Muslims that have immigrated to America in pursuit of economic opportunity. For most of these, strict compliance with the dictates of clerics in relation to the teachings of Islam is secondary to their thirst for prosperity and political freedom. However, their sentiments are not indicative of the majority of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims. The facts are as follows:

    Polls indicate that high percentages of our supposed allies in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia support Osama Bin Laden.
    Post 9/11, his first name, Osama, has attained a favored name status for newborn male children in a dozen or more Muslim nations. (In some nations 7 out of 10 baby boys are the namesakes of the terrorist).
    Numerous Mosques in Islamic states exhibit the photo of Bin Laden as a hero of the faith.
    The abbreviated list of nations wherein Muslims mob the streets gleefully chanting "Allah Akbar" (Allah is greater) every time America or Israel suffers from Islamic terrorist activities includes Israel, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Nigeria, and the Philippines. In America, Muslims have been observed doing the same in many convenience marts and mosques. (It may be true that Christianity has a miniscule number of violent radicals; however, you don't find pictures of IRA terrorists hanging in the vestibules of Christian sanctuaries around the globe or hordes of America's Catholics streaming to the aid of their oppressed brethren in Northern Ireland.) The experts can claim that most of the world's Muslims are peace-loving moderates, but the stats reveal that it is the radicals that have the power to influence the hearts and minds of the Muslim masses.

    About envy of the West - There are two interrelated spiritual factors for the radical Muslim's hatred for our way of life.

    Islamic clerics and political leaders espouse inflammatory anti-Semitic and anti-Christian rhetoric based on the writings and sayings of Mohammed.
    The prosperity and technology of nations that are based on Judeo-Christian values embarrasses the Islamic claim of spiritual/cultural superiority and provokes them to virulent jealousy. The premise for Islam's exaggerated sense of spiritual/cultural superiority is built on the widely held Muslim view that they led the world in advances in math, literature and the sciences from 700AD until 1200AD. Many scholars contend that the advances were actually a continuum of the momentum that had been attained, prior to the arrival of the Muslims, by the Persians, Jews, and Christians. A comparison of Islamic nations and other nations gives ample evidence that Islam stifles rather than inspires innovations. No other nations, other than under Muslim rule, that have claimed a history of being fountainheads of cultural advances have ceased to continue as such. Two atomic bombs have not stopped the Japanese. Politically torn South Korea, without oil, has a gross national product of $600 billion. Oil rich Saudi Arabia's GNP is a mere $186 billion. Each year since 1901, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to people that have been distinguished for notable endeavors for world peace and in literature, and for outstanding accomplishments in the sciences. During the history of the Nobel there have been 139 Jewish recipients and well over 200 Christians, but only 6 recipients from Islamic nations. There is nothing lacking in the mental capacities of Muslim people, because they flourish in technology and the sciences when living in Westernized democracies. The objective evidence is that it is the rule of Islam that is the culprit that smothers creativity.
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member

    Well, this answers a LOT of questions. Thanks VoT!
  3. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Well-Known Member


    THIS is the real danger inherent in Muslim immigration. You are already seeing little glimpses of this aggressive behavior in tiny ways in the US. You will see more and more.

    Politicians need to wake up. But Satan has the populace of Western Nations so deceived by the political correctness and overarching "tolerance" inherent in Liberalism that nobody in power—or seriously seeking political power—will ever have the guts to stand up and shout, "This is wrong!"

    So gradually the nation will be overcome from within. And when the people DO wake up, it will be too late. Look at the UK ... things are progressing rather quickly there.
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member

    So I noticed.
  5. Ruth

    Ruth Well-Known Member

    And this recent triumph of BO, who is either a lying Muslim or a lying pagan Muslim sympathizer - his war on the unborn is only a war on the non-Muslim unborn.
    Muslims are bent on populating their way into power. They will not permit their women to abort their children. But they enter countries and encourage abortion of their enemies children - the less of them for Muslims to kill. They actually have assistance from the liberal left in helping to push an agenda that will insure Muslims overtaking a country by simple numbers.

    The irony is that while the liberal left and the 'pro choice' people think they are triumphant in having their 'freedoms'

    It is by those very 'self centered, money loving' freedoms that will end up in their enslavement or death to Islam.

    And all those who stood back and did nothing to help stop BO will also reap the same fate of Muslim dominance with BO's pro-Islam and anti-Israel position.
  6. IGWT

    IGWT Well-Known Member

    Hi All.

    It reminds me from what Ruth has said about the Liberal left & them Helping muslims. Well I remember that quite some time ago, I can not remember just how long as one month or one year seems to come & go so quickly. Anyway I got to debating with this liberal leftist homosexual who was berating all on this this particular forum who was showing the errors with islam & the truth about this cult of death. Well this person came on me like a bat out of hell lets say, very abusive, very ignorant & very insulting. But I kept me cool, how I do not know but I did, & I while this person told me just how close they the gay brigade where with the muslims & how they together is protest was going to bring down this nasty narrow minded church & establishment.

    I then stated to post for this person verses in the quran that related to homosexuality. What it says in the quran to do with homosexuals & also about lying in the quran for the benefit of gaining superiority over there enemies. Well this person started to calm down a little then & bless his little heart tried to do his best to show that islam does not believe things like this any more. He was so upset that I shown him that they still thought the same as they have always done about this subject. I think he took it quite badly when I started to point out that as soon as the muslims get what they want & that is to take over the countries. That his friends the muslims who had marched with him to over throw this evil nasty Christian society that he hates so much. That these same nice wonderful muslim friends of his will then start to round on him & his gay friends.

    They will then start to bring in sharia law & start to arrest him & his friends for there gay lifestyle & then they will do as they are told in the quran & so in sharia law to him & his gay friends. They will start to put them to death, they will dig a deep pit & they will put him in it & secure him in there up to his shoulders, so he can not move. They will then when they are told to do so by there iman, then start to throw stones at him until he is dead. Now I kept then repeating this dead bit to him I asked him if he had any concept of the word dead. He ran away never to debate me ever again, I do not know why? can anyone tell me!!! te he he, sorry for that one. But as I said what Ruth said just reminded me about this nice gay leftist liberal wonderful person who was all for his best muslim mates.

    God Bless
  7. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Well-Known Member

    Islam is a religion of cruelty and violence advanced by a program of deception and lies.
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member

    And in the end, brings pain, suffering and death.
  9. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Well-Known Member

    :iagree :preach

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