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    Why has 2011's tornado season been so terrible?

    Nearly 1,200 tornadoes have swarmed the United States this year and the death toll from these tornadoes has likely topped 500, a number not seen since 1953.

    Nearly 1,200 tornadoes have swarmed the United States this year, according to preliminary numbers from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Four of these storms have been rated at the highest tornado strength, an EF-5. The death toll from these tornadoes has likely topped 500, a number not seen since 1953.

    But why has this year seen so many and such devastating twisters? Scientists point to several large-scale climate factors, some of which have been at work behind the scenes since winter. And at least some of the mind-boggling tornado numbers, believe it or not, can be chalked up to humans — there are more of us around to see them.

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    La Nina....that is all. It is just cyclical nature of weather complying with the Creator's rules.
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    Glenn is right, it's just a cyclical weather pattern complying with our Creator's rules, and it doesn't take a very big change in this pattern to cause widespread destruction.
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    I disagree it is just the Cyclical nature. For there are harsher realities than in past of what is happening. We have increased earth quakes, more intense and frequent tornadoes you can also expect in r/t birth pangs. I find it really odd to have such things minimized as "cyclical nature of weather"
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    I disagree it is just the Cyclical nature. For there are harsher realities than in past of what is happening. We have increased earth quakes, more intense and frequent tornadoes you can also expect in r/t birth pangs. I find it really odd to have such things minimized as "cyclical nature of weather"
    I agree, we are in the birth pangs. I also believe what is happening across America is due to our president cursing Israel and we are being cut to pieces.

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    This from www.livescience.com/6968-40-years-today-worst-tornado-outbreak-history.htm

    Government data indicates that the current tornado season is the deadliest since 1953, with at least 481 people dead from 50 tornadoes in the South and Midwest, including deaths from the May 21 twister that devastated Joplin, Missouri. On May 22, large home and commercial insurers worked to set up mobile offices and provide extra staff in Joplin, Missouri, and other communities in the Midwest that were hit by recent tornadoes. The number of claims for the disaster is expected to be near the record level for storm damage. Robert Hartwig, president of the Insurance Information Institute estimated that damages from 2011 storms could be worse than any of the previous three years, which were the costliest for thunderstorm damage, costing insurers a total of $30 billion. Hartwig said, "The newest damage makes it even more likely" that this year will be worse than 2008, 2009 and 2010. He noted, however, that insurers are in good condition to cover claims because there was only one major hurricane between 2008 and 2010 – Hurricane Ike in Texas.
    Over the last 60 years only a 1953 tornado in Flint Michigan killed as many as the 116 confirmed death in Joplin. Despite the near record fatalities, meteorologists said that the storm system that generated the tornado was not unusual for this time of year. The high death toll is attributed to the tornado’s path through the commercial center of Joplin, which included a hospital, a nursing home, a row of busy restaurants and several large stores.
    We could just as easily ask, "Why was 1953's tornado season so terrible?

    And since there is more population living in these areas now vs. 1953, and we have much better warning systems than 1953, this year will need to get a whole lot worse for it to compare with 1953.
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    I agree with twinklingofaneye. I made the same comment on another post about it having to do with Obama refusing to help Israel.

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    I think it all goes hand in hand. I am trying to undersrtand the mindset of minimization. The thought that everything is as it always has been. It is just "la nina" and that well they coulda asked that in 1953 (which did not follow escalating earthquakes and other factors).

    Sure how we respond to Israel is part and parcel. However, US has long been pushing toward compromise r/t Israel and not truly friend of Israel that we tend to think. The thing with the Israel thoughts I would ask then why is not France, Spain and others facing such things. So it is not fully the answer. This is more why I tend to think toward birth pangs.
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    I suppose we could blame the weather on our feckless POTUS, but not for abusing Israel. BHO is not our government ...congress wields the practical power. Congress gave Bibi 26 standing ovations!

    And no it is not "birth pangs" unless you want to say we are in the tribulation described in the Olivet Discourse (Matt Ch 24-25 ; Daniel Ch 9:24 aka 70th week)

    Now a real threat of judgement would be more likely to rise from our government's domestic and global sponsorship of murdering little ones (abortion)....

    Luk 17:2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.
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    Um, glenn, birth pangs precede the tribulation. Thus the whole imagary even of "birth pangs." I do not understand any interpretation that would suggest otherwise.
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    Um, glenn, birth pangs precede the tribulation. Thus the whole imagary even of "birth pangs." I do not understand any interpretation that would suggest otherwise.
    Correct! We are absolutely in the birth pangs.
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    I suppose we could blame the weather on our feckless POTUS, but not for abusing Israel. BHO is not our government ...congress wields the practical power. Congress gave Bibi 26 standing ovations!

    And no it is not "birth pangs" unless you want to say we are in the tribulation described in the Olivet Discourse (Matt Ch 24-25 ; Daniel Ch 9:24 aka 70th week)

    Now a real threat of judgement would be more likely to rise from our government's domestic and global sponsorship of murdering little ones (abortion)....

    Luk 17:2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.
    So when BHO says to Israel, "give up your land, the land God promised to you", you do not see this as cursing Israel?

    BHO is part of our government. Do you think the rest of the world even noticed that congress gave Bibi standing ovations? Who is the rest of the world paying attention to, POTUS or congress?

    Can you please connect how abortion is causing the little ones to sin?
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    Um, glenn, birth pangs precede the tribulation. Thus the whole imagary even of "birth pangs." I do not understand any interpretation that would suggest otherwise.
    The Matt 24 birth pangs line up exactly with the seal judgments of Revelation 6.

    As far as increased earthquake activity, I thoroughly de-bunked that here in post #4.

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    I disagree it is just the Cyclical nature. For there are harsher realities than in past of what is happening. We have increased earth quakes, more intense and frequent tornadoes you can also expect in r/t birth pangs. I find it really odd to have such things minimized as "cyclical nature of weather"
    They aren't minimized as weather is indeed cyclical. Even the items you mention do not mean weather isn't cyclical. Cyclical weather doesn't mean elimination of "swings" or variations in intensity. Those swings will still occur.
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    The Matt 24 birth pangs line up exactly with the seal judgments of Revelation 6.

    As far as increased earthquake activity, I thoroughly de-bunked that here in post #4.
    eh, that hardly debunked the concept. In fact the graphs you posted show an increase in # of severity that is increasing since the decade of the 80's and a slight increase in 1990s. So clearly interpret the data differently than you are.
    Understand a bit better the point of view though and disagree with your take on the evidence. Also disagree with some of the interpretation presented in that thread.
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    They aren't minimized as weather is indeed cyclical. Even the items you mention do not mean weather isn't cyclical. Cyclical weather doesn't mean elimination of "swings" or variations in intensity. Those swings will still occur.
    Weather yes, is cyclical. However, we have a biblical description of "birth pangs" and the point to an image we can all readily understand. The "hits" of tornados lately have been intense. Do feel free to compare with other "el nina" years though to prove the point.

    I am also aware of things going on in places where have not in past, such as cyclones in Brazil. In past unheard of. The difference and shifts in such geological events is used by others to point toward the "global warming" theories.
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    My friend, if you will devote some time studying the Olivet discourse you will find our Lord was speaking to directly to the nation/race of Israel in Matthew in chapters 24 & 25. The church is in NO WAY connected to the Olivet any more that the church is connected to Daniel's 70th week.

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    actually, in the olivet discourse he is specifially addressing His disciples and answering what are the signs of the coming Day of the Lord. It is not just about "Israel" but when Jesus returns. So find it odd that you say no way does it relate to the church when it is the disciples being addressed primarily.
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    Can you please connect how abortion is causing the little ones to sin?
    I is a well known fact that 13 & 14 year olds are availing themselves to Planned Parenthood abortion clinics funded by our tax $$.
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    So find it odd that you say no way does it relate to the church when it is the disciples being addressed primarily.
    The disciples were Hebrews and the message was to his chosen people. The church was not yet born.

    I don't think you want to throw your lot in with those God's wrath is directed toward. [actually I'm pretty sure you are a Christian - many Christians have their theology and doctrine askew regarding basics like the rapture and Jehovah's love for his chosen people, yet if you trust in Christ you're in!]
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