March 23 2013

[Ohioan]

No, it is not the mark, but certainly will be a big manifestation of Big Brother in every aspect of your life, and for me, just another sign of how close we are to the rapture of the saints.
I know Chris has posted some very good info on this subject of the new healthcare law, and this may have been posted before, but this article is a very good read.

Healthcare & RFID

[WalterNZ]

this timing coincides with the share markets switch from a name numbering system of business identification...Must be preplanned

[AndyM]

Seems to me IMHO that this health care law must be imposed on this nation with which I have just listen to. So where does that leave the uncoming presidential vote???

[mattfivefour]

I might point out that the concept of Big Brother is not Biblical. So why do we concern ourselves with it? It is satanic in origin. It comes from the mind of Eric Arthur Blair (better known as George Orwell). He was a great proponent of democratic socialism. Even though he was against totalitarianism he wanted to see all of Europe under one socialist government! He attended the Church of England for much of his life but confessed in his personal writings to being a skeptic of Christianity, indeed of all religion. Yet we take as gospel, it would seem, his fear of Big Brother. Seems Satan got good use out of this man in lighting the coals of fear of government in people today.

I think people need to read the relevant section of the Health Reform Act legislation itself, not what sites such as the OP article say about it. As I have demonstrated by quoting from the legislation in the past, the law CLEARLY states that the RFID tags are to be placed on implanted medical devices (pacemakers, cardioverter defibrillators, artificial hips, etc, etc) and are for the purpose of being able to track devices that turn out to be defective. Right now it requires cutting into a patient and physically examining the device for manufacturer and batch run. With the RFID, that information can be had without laying a hand on the patient, other than asking them to approach a scanner.

This legislation has absolutely NOTHING to do with implanting RFID chips in people for the purposes of tracking them (or any other nefarious purpose the human mind can think of.)

Now, for the record, do I think that the Antichrist—when he comes—will make use of technologies such as this? Absolutely YES! But that is not now. In fact, according to God's revelation to us of things to come, this will not occur until the second half of the Great Tribulation. It is not until Revelation 13 that the mark of the Beast occurs, and that only occurs following the miraculous ministry of the Two Witnesses and the sounding of the seventh trumpet. Unless those have occurred, you don't need to worry about any mark. Indeed, we will all be sitting in the balcony seats watching.

I understand that some people are suspicious of government and fear that some global conspiracy exists to take away their freedom. Believe me, America is the least of the countries you need to worry about that happening in at the moment. Many of our own members work for the government. Do you think these members are just waiting to take your rights and freedoms away? Vigilance is good; extreme vigilance to the point of distrust of authority is nothing but Kafka-esque paranoia. It is not healthy; and it has its root directly in Satan and his work. He has always inspired people to distrust and despise authority. Those websites that promote this type of hysteria are, frankly, doing Satan's work!

Let's not help them.

[Noah Cotterill]

I think that's a fair delineation, Matt. In the tribulation, people will know you have the mark and that it is associated with the beast.

Revelation 14:9-11

Everyone will be told it's bad, but they either won't care or will be deceived. They will know exactly who that mark belongs to though.

[Ohioan]

No, it is not the mark, but certainly will be a big manifestation of Big Brother in every aspect of your life, and for me, just another sign of how close we are to the rapture of the saints.
I know Chris has posted some very good info on this subject of the new healthcare law, and this may have been posted before, but this article is a very good read.

Healthcare & RFID

A class two device that is implantable, that is the way it is worded in the bill, the language is there, and how is it to be interpreted?
Just as Obamacare should have been declared unconstitutional, so John Roberts changed the meaning of the law to be a tax.
How will he vote on this issue that Joe Biden said he would have to to make a decision on?

Joe Biden Ask John Roberts About RFID Chip - Video

By the way, I repeat, that this is not the mark, but is a invasion of privacy, which my family has already faced in the form of being mailed to us, a full year after we had already answered a questionaire, in 2011, a long form census bureau form asking many personal questions, which I would not answer. Many threatening phone calls were made to our house, of which we still flatly refused to answer, because it was not lawful. I only learned later that a 5000 dollar fine could have been imposed on my family for not answering, but had learned that the census bureau decided not to enforce their penalty on us or others that had refused to answer.

[mattfivefour]

It is immaterial, bro. Even thought the original wording in preliminary drafts of the legislation said nothing about implanting chips or anything else or, for that matter, collecting any data beyond the manufacturing data about the device, that wording did not make it into the bill that was passed. It was dropped after HR3200 and is not included in the final version of the HR reconciliation bill passed by Congress and signed into law by the president. Nothing in regard to this is happening on March 23, 2013 ... or at any time in the foreseeable future. This is all much ado about nothing at this time, I am afraid.

[WalterNZ]

whats this about then?? Any thoughts about how the revelation speaks of beheading for Christians refusing he mark?

Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[mattfivefour]

Those are the Tribulation saints, bro.

[alishaba]

An additional thought on the Mark of the Beast:

I believe that it will be a visible mark on the skin (like a tattoo) that can be easily seen by other people. It will not be a chip hidden under the skin that people cannot even see.

[kristinebrown]

After reading more about this chip to me it sounds like it could be the mark. Am I missing something? I don't want it.

[mattfivefour]

Kristine ... and all who are disturbed by the OP ... you don't have to worry about it.

First of all there is no such chip planned: the original information is incorrect. Secondly, the Mark of the Beast only comes into play in the LAST HALF of the Great Tribulation. All of us will be long gone by then.

Don't even think about this ... or any other similar scare article. Ever.

[LivnForChrist]

Adrian is correct. We will be long gone before any mark of the beast.

[AndyM]

Adrian is correct. We will be long gone before any mark of the beast.

We will be gone. Thank you Lord Jesus. We wait for you. God be the Glory.

[soundingthealarm]

As Adrian has said this is not what it seems! Think of it like this....when the real moment in time comes it will be like getting a tattoo that says I love satan! You will know its a time of pledging allegiance like when Germans "hailed Hitler" with an arm band

But to experience that you would have to be a non believer in Jesus Christ right now and then

[ForgivenOne]

Just as God has supernaturally sealed us, I believe that Satan, through the Anti-Christ, will supernaturally seal those who agree to take the mark of the beast. Unlike the RFID chip or a tattoo, this supernatural seal cannot be removed.

[Robert]

And this is why FUD is dangerous.

The Danger of FUD

The Rapture and FUD

Our witness: the other side of the fence

Tying it all together: the conclusion

FUD can come from all sorts of angles, and be very subtle. We need to keep our focus on the Lord, or we risk sinking like Peter did.

[kristinebrown]

Thank you putting my mind as ease. I'm working 10-11 hours today and will look at all these links later tonight when I get home. I glanced over them briefly between clients. I gotta be careful reading through rf while at work. . I get too caught up and can't put my iPad down.