Did God just scold the brutal Chinese government using the Shanghai Stock Exchange?

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In most opinions, the Chinese government is one of THE most brutal governments in the world, with no regard for human life. There brutality was highlighted in the Tiananmen Massacre. Read the below article and you may find yourself asking the following question:

Did God just scold the brutal Chinese government using the Shanghai Stock Exchange? Perhaps a warning of sorts to more troubles to come soon (as so many signs point towards)!!

IF this was a "natural result" (and therefore POSSIBLY God-driven) and not fixed by pranksters, the mathematical probability of this occurring on the 23rd Anniversary is too astronomical to be random. And if it was God-crafted and not fixed via sabotage, NO ONE could deny that our Lord wasn't the creator of a "good sense of humour" :-) !!

Regardless of how you may view this NY Times article, there may be some who will find this article VERY interesting!!

Market’s Echo of Tiananmen Date Sets Off Censors

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/wo...1&ref=business

HONG KONG — The Shanghai Stock Exchange produced an uncanny — and politically delicate — numerical result on the 23rd anniversary of the military crackdown on student-led demonstrators in Tiananmen Square, prompting Chinese censors to undertake unusually strenuous efforts to block references to the tragedy that China’s leaders have tried desperately to erase from their country’s consciousness.

The broad index of the Shanghai exchange fell 64.89 points on Monday, a figure that recalls the Tiananmen Square events on June 4, 1989. In another unusual development, the index opened on Monday at 2346.98 — a figure that, to some, looked like the date of the crackdown written backward, followed by the 23rd anniversary.

In a country where numerology is taken very seriously, Chinese censors quickly began blocking searches for “stock market,” “Shanghai stock,” “Shanghai stock market,” “index” and other related terms. They also deleted large numbers of microblog postings about the numerical fluke.

And even before tens of thousands of demonstrators, clad mostly in black, gathered several hours later around Victoria Park in downtown Hong Kong for the annual vigil, censors were also blocking searches for “Victoria Park,” “black clothes,” “silent tribute” and even “today.”

The Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index is calculated by adding up the market capitalizations of hundreds of stocks and then converting the sum into an index based on a value of 100 on Dec. 19, 1990. Richard W. Kershaw, the managing director for Asia forensic technology at FTI Consulting, a global financial investigations company, said that it would be almost impossible for anyone to coordinate the buying and selling of so many stocks to produce a specific result.

But hackers have targeted computer systems at other stock exchanges in the past, and Mr. Kershaw said that it was at least possible that this could have occurred in China. He predicted that the government would investigate, adding, “You can bet we’ll never hear the results.”

Chinese culture puts a very strong, sometimes superstitious, emphasis on numbers and dates. The Beijing Olympics started at 8:08 p.m. on Aug. 8, 2008, a time and date chosen for the many eights, considered an auspicious number.

The candlelight vigil in Hong Kong drew a crowd that organizers estimated at “over 180,000,” which would make it the biggest of the annual events since 1989. Organizers have estimated the crowds in 1990, 2009, 2010 and 2011 at 150,000.

The police here were more cautious, putting the turnout at 85,000; they had estimated the annual turnout from 2009 through 2011 at 62,800, 113,000 and 77,000, and the 1990 vigil at 80,000.

The turnout on Monday, on a humid evening under a luminous full moon, was particularly hard to calculate. Six soccer fields in front of a large stage, the core of the park, filled up with densely packed crowds earlier than in previous years. That prompted people to spill over to a series of other fields in the park. Some had outdoor screens put up to display the proceedings; others had no such provisions, having not filled with crowds in past years.

There was also an unusually large turnout of young people, who appeared to be in their teens or 20s. Until the last several years, the vigils had been mostly limited to people in their 40s and older — those who had experienced soaring hopes for democratization in 1989 followed by crushing disappointment.

Andy Lo, 20, a university student, said that social media like Facebook had been filled this year with calls to attend the vigil. But he and others there were unable to explain why this had happened.

“I used to think it was just a ritual,” he said. “We want something to change, the voice for change is much stronger now, but I can’t account for it.”

Even 23 years later, the use of tanks and gunfire to disperse unarmed students and other Tiananmen Square protesters remained a point of bitter dispute in China and around the world. Increased attendance at the Hong Kong vigils has coincided with public concern here and in mainland China about issues including corruption and the inequity of wealth. And retired Chinese officials who were in office in the months leading up to the Tiananmen Square crackdown have begun publishing their memoirs.

The memoirs of Zhao Ziyang, the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party in the two years leading up to the protest, was published shortly before the 2009 vigil. He was ousted from power immediately after the Tiananmen crackdown by Deng Xiaoping, China’s supreme leader at the time.

A series of conversations with Chen Xitong, the mayor of Beijing in 1989 and a reputed hard-liner, were published last week. He expressed regret that a military assault had taken place, denied reports that he had played a role in organizing the attack and said that “several hundred people died that day.”

Estimates of the civilian death toll in the Tiananmen Square crackdown in 1989 have ranged from the hundreds to thousands.

Security measures are tightened in China each year for the anniversary. In the last few days, the Chinese government has detained or placed under house arrest an unknown number of dissidents, part of an annual procedure before the anniversary.

The local government of Tongzhou, an eastern district of Beijing, took the unusual step of publishing on its Web site a description of its precautions for the anniversary: “From May 31 to June 4, wartime systems and protective measures should be in effect, and security volunteers, wearing red armbands and organized by the collective action of neighborhoods, should be on duty and patrolling.”

The post was deleted by early Monday afternoon.

Liu Weimin, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, expressed “strong dissatisfaction” with the United States on Monday after the State Department issued a statement on Sunday calling for China to free political prisoners still in jail nearly a quarter century after the crackdown.

[RandallB]

If you torture numbers long enough,

they will confess to anything....


I feel that odds are only Biblically significant if they are less than 10**-50 of being true.

Given that the stock exchange was going to open on up June 4th with SOME number and that the number was 6 digits, it is only a 10**-6 order issue. About 1 in a million or so. Not even close to Biblical Odds. Especially since people would have read "significance" into several numbers..

2346.98
4698.23
and backwards
3289.46
etc.

For Instance:

One Protein forming by random chance from Primordial Amino Acid pool is way, way less than 10**-128 yet people still willing to believe that it happened millions of times. Now that is Biblically astronomical odds.

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I feel that odds are only Biblically significant if they are less than 10**-50 of being true.

It is somewhat ironic that you would use a non-Biblical formula to define when something is Biblically significant. No disrespect intended, just putting your comment in context.

In terms of the odds then, let us go there. Let us assume that nothing would be more significant than highlighting the date on the EXACT date of the 23rd anniversary. That means that the open would either have to contain 23 in the first two places or the last two places. Now we need the date in some order with year on either end. This is another two places. The day / month order can be reversed, adding in another two places. Reversing the year doubles it again. This is dealing with 6 decimal places.

Now let us deal with the 4 digit number. We need the year together in either places. We then don't care about the order of day / month, as in the above. That again doubles the numbers. This is dealing with 4 decimal places, or 10 decimal places altogether.

The randomness is equal to (2x2x2x2x2x2 / 10,000,000,000), wherein 2 power 6 = 64. But let us round this up by another factor of around 15 to 1000 to be even more conservative than we already are. Total odds of this being random is 1 out of 10,000,000.

Does it still fail your non-Biblical Biblical Test? Yes.

However, is one out of 10,000,000 still worthy of a post for those who find this kind of stuff interesting? Well, on that, I can tell you 95% doubt free that I am absolutely 70% sure of this 20% of the time, but only if the 80% that remains is not with the other 30%. CONFUSED? Me too!!

[JAyres]

You know, 87.34% of statistics are made up on the spot...

[mattfivefour]

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You know, 87.34% of statistics are made up on the spot...

Yes, but did you know that 100% of divorces start with marriage?

[mattfivefour]

And 100% of deaths begin with births!

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And 100% of deaths begin with births!

I know this won't disappoint you, but I must tell you that your formula is almost 100% right, but not quite!! You and I, along with most of the readers on this site, will most likely NEVER taste death as He will be coming for us VERY SOON!!

REVISED SLOGAN:

"And some percent less than 100% of deaths begin with births!!"

THE BEST NEWS EVER!!!

[mattfivefour]

No, my friend and brother, your logic is faulty—or, rather, your interpretation of what I said. I wrote that ALL deaths begin with births. And they do. You are confusing what I said with the inverse thought: that all births end in death. Had I said that, you would be correct. For not all births will end in death. Not only will the Rapture take many who were born and remain both in Christ and alive at that time, but Enoch and Elijah never tasted of death either, despite being born. I knew this when I wrote, therefore I purposely did not construct my theorem based on such faulty logic. Rather I structured it not on the error that everybody who is born will die, but rather on the truth that everybody who will die had first to be born.

Thus my 100% stands.

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No, my friend and brother, your logic is faulty—or, rather, your interpretation of what I said. I wrote that ALL deaths begin with births. And they do. You are confusing what I said with the inverse thought: that all births end in death. Had I said that, you would be correct. For not all births will end in death. Not only will the Rapture take many who were born and remain both in Christ and alive at that time, but Enoch and Elijah never tasted of death either, despite being born. I knew this when I wrote, therefore I purposely did not construct my theorem based on such faulty logic. Rather I structured it not on the error that everybody who is born will die, but rather on the truth that everybody who will die had first to be born.

Thus my 100% stands.

And, in turn, I stand 100% wrong on my correction!!

[YeuEmMaiMai]

You know, 87.34% of statistics are made up on the spot...

that leaves the remainder that we all know are pulled out of someone's rear.....

BTW it isn't just the Chinese that are getting the smackdown anyone seen their 401K lately?.....

[mattfivefour]

And, in turn, I stand 100% wrong on my correction!!

But 100% right in my love, bro!

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But 100% right in my love, bro!

AMEN!! What more could anyone ask for?

What a great day that will be when there will be no more guessing or watching, just flying and being with the Lord!! "I can only imagine"!!