10 Lies Satan tells People!!

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Here is another excellent article from Joseph Chambers:

THE WATCHING AND READY SAINTS WILL SOON BE GONE! (10 LIES SATAN TELLS PEOPLE)
by Joseph Chambers

THE WATCHING AND READY SAINTS WILL SOON BE GONE! (10 LIES SATAN TELLS PEOPLE) « Paw Creek Ministries

THERE IS A MULTITUDE OF RELIGIOUS PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN MISLED AND WILL BE LEFT WHEN THE RAPTURE OCCURS. Satan is in the business of lying and He has told religious lies since the time of his fall in the beginning. He told Adam and Eve a religious lie, “Ye shall not surely die,” but they did. Ask the majority of the people you know that claim they are ready for the Rapture and they will tell you one of his false ideas.

Let me list a few of the lies that are everywhere among the church people and the world also:

1. God automatically forgives your future sin after you are saved.

2. Nobody can live holy and God doesn’t expect it anyway.

3. I was saved as a child so I am still saved even though I’m not living right now.

4. The mercy of God is too great for anybody to be left.

5. Just believe that you are saved and ready and you are ready.

6. The Rapture is a hoax, you’ve got plenty of time.

7. A homosexual will go in the Rapture if they believed as a child.

8. The Rapture is a lie because God wants us to take dominion of the earth.

9. The Book of Revelation is a Book of symbols. It isn’t literal.

10. God does not look on the outside. All He sees is your heart.

Everyone of these lies is fooling a great company of people. There is not one Scripture to support one of them.

Apostle Peter left no room for people to claim Christ after they had gone back to the pig pen of sin. “While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” (II Peter 2: 19-22) You have got to quit believing the lies out there among church people.

When the Son of God ascended, angels gave the message to over 500 people that He would return. What is so beautiful is how He would return just like He left. “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:9-11) The angels actually said, “In like manner”.

The Son of God promised that He would come back to get us. Every truth in the Bible fits the glorious Rapture before the “Great Tribulation”. Here are the Lord’s words: “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” (Saint John 14:1-3) He’s coming again and we are leaving.

[daygo]

I disagree, there is a scripture on no.10 and that is 1sam. ch.16 v 7 and guess what, I was trying to find the passage and my 6 yr old granddaughter overheard and said without hesitating 1 sam. 16 v7 out of little children.... I am so proud of her.

[mattfivefour]

Respectfully, you may be a little too literal on your interpretation here, bro. I believe Dr. Chambers was speaking in the James 2:17 sense. You can say in your heart all you like that I am saved, but if you continue to willfully sin in thought, word, and deed, then you are just fooling yourself. I believe Dr. Chambers' point is that there are many people who fool themselves in this way, saying "God can see my heart." Yes, and Jesus said out of your heart your actions flow and you bring forth your fruit. He also said, no good tree brings forth bad fruit. Thus a person whose life is continually characterized by the bad fruit outlined in the Bible is not saved. And if that is not true, then we have to erase 1 John 2:4.

[daygo]

Respectfully, you may be a little too literal on your interpretation here, bro. I believe Dr. Chambers was speaking in the James 2:17 sense. You can say in your heart all you like that I am saved, but if you continue to willfully sin in thought, word, and deed, then you are just fooling yourself. I believe Dr. Chambers' point is that there are many people who fool themselves in this way, saying "God can see my heart." Yes, and Jesus said out of your heart your actions flow and you bring forth your fruit. He also said, no good tree brings forth bad fruit. Thus a person whose life is continually characterized by the bad fruit outlined in the Bible is not saved. And if that is not true, then we have to erase 1 John 2:4.

Thanks matt for your reply, however dr. chambers should be careful how he puts things, because he could lead people astray, no disrespect but thats how no.10 reads and would read to many people. I do however get your point. Many thanks again.

[mattfivefour]

Thanks, bro. Yes, I agree with you. Joe Chambers sometimes says things without thinking carefully how they will be received or interpreted. (Speaking for myself, I have to admit he is not alone in that! It is something we who preach or teach have to be very careful to consider. It is very easy to rush something and not be sufficiently prayerful and open to the leading and the correction of the Holy Spirit as we write.)

[JAyres]

Ok, I'm a little confused, and have some questions about some of these lies.

1. God automatically forgives your future sin after you are saved.

2. Nobody can live holy and God doesn’t expect it anyway.

If these two are lies, doesn't that negate the idea of 'once saved, always saved'? I've read on this board many, many posts that talk about how believers can loose fellowship with God through sin, and this can always be regained through repentance (i.e. the Prodigal Son), but I've always understood this to mean that when (not if, but when) I sin, I'm still saved. If #1 is a lie, then even though I love the Lord with all my heart and have tried to be a good Christian, if I have a theoretically horrible accident and, say, take the Lord's name in vain just seconds before my death (out of weakness), am I screwed? Which leads us to #2.

Jesus was the only person in all of history that could lead a truly holy life, and His work on the cross is what won my salvation. It's all His doing, all His work; there's not a single thing I can do to add one iota to my salvation, and if I could, that would mean all Christ's work was for naught. I'll try and live as holy a life as I can, but I do this out of respect for Christ's work and to show my appreciation for said work, not because it'll get me into heaven. I'm a human born into sin, and I'll die because of sin, and I'm sinful in my nature. If #2 is a lie, and we can indeed live a holy life and God does indeed expect it, then won't Jesus will be the only one in heaven?

5. Just believe that you are saved and ready and you are ready.

If I believe that Christ is the Son of the Living God, repented of sin (i.e. changed my mind about sin), have asked Jesus into my heart as Lord and Savior, have accepted salvation as grace through faith, and therefore believe that I am saved and ready. What more must I do to be ready?

9. The Book of Revelation is a Book of symbols. It isn’t literal.

I know much of Revelation is literal, but isn't a lot of it also symbolic? Revelation 1:16 says, in part, "and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword", which I've always taken as meaning the Word of God. Surely we're not to take everything in Revelation as literal, are we?

10. God does not look on the outside. All He sees is your heart.

Ok, obviously he sees both, but isn't it what's in your heart that he cares about? I know is tree is known by its fruit, but I'm a sinful man who struggles with anger issues and general dislike of my fellow humans, so apart from (hopefully) my children's belief in and love of the Lord, I haven't born much, if any, fruit. I don't put up well with stupid people, which of course is Pride talking and thus a sin. This comes out at work, and I've got a bit of a reputation with some of the 'more stupider' people I have to deal with. It's an ugly part of me that I'm not proud of, and while I'm working towards correcting this behavioral flaw of mine, I sure hope God ignores that outside part of me, and sees only what's in my heart. If it's otherwise, am I doomed?

[mattfivefour]

No, "once saved, always saved" relates to those who are truly saved. And all of your questions, actually, are related to that one point. (Well, all except the one regarding the literal or symbolic nature of Revelation. My view is that all of the events of Revelation are literal, with much symbolism being used to demonstrate those literal things that otherwise we would not be able to comprehend.)

Anyway, let's focus on the main issue you raise—that of salvation ... about which there is much, MUCH misunderstanding in the churches today. I will try to clarify. Salvation is not with the mouth or even with the mind. It is with the heart. And when it is motivated by a broken and contrite heart, then God sees it is real and the Holy Spirit comes to live within that person. Indeed, that is how we become "new creatures in Christ"—literally we have the seed of a brand new nature implanted in us. We are now re-created to do God's will. Now, many in the world call Him "Lord, Lord", but we know their outcome: He will say, "Depart from me: I never knew you!" You see, they did not have a heart conversion: they were interested only in the spiritual benefits of "being saved", the freedom from the consequences of their sins, rather than a desire to please God. They weren't sorry for their sins; they were sorry for the consequences of those sins. They weren't seeking a restoration to fellowship with God; they were seeking reprieve from the penalty of their wickedness. They weren't seeking what pleases God; but rather, what offered pleasure for themselves: freedom from hell in eternity, and in this life all the blessings they can ask for. And that is evidenced by the fact that their hearts were not changed.

Obedience to God is the mark of the new nature, the evidence of salvation. We tend to look at salvation as creating happiness in us; when the real fact is salvation should first create obedience in us.

In the chapter of the Hebrews study I posted just today, coincidentally, Andrew Murray says it far better than I—

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“ ⁸ Though He was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which He suffered. ⁹ And having been made perfect, He became unto all them that obey Him, the author of eternal salvation.” (Hebrews 5:8-9)

The death of Jesus has its value and efficacy in obedience—ours as well as His. With Him obedience was God's great object in His suffering; the root and power of His perfection and His glory; the real efficient cause of our eternal salvation. And with us, the necessity of obedience is no less absolute. With God and with Christ our restoration to obedience was the great aim of redemption. It is the only way to that union with God in which our happiness consists. Through it alone God can reveal His life and power within us. Again l say: The death of Jesus has its value and efficacy in nothing but obedience—ours as well as His. He “learned obedience by the things which He suffered, and having been made perfect, he became to all them that obey Him the author of eternal salvation." Our obedience is as indispensable as His. As little as He could work out salvation without obedience, can we enjoy it. In us as much as in Him, obedience is the very essence of salvation.

Let us try and grasp this. God is the blessedness of the creature. When God is all to the creature, when He is allowed in humility and dependence to work all, and when all returns to Him in thanksgiving and service, nothing can prevent the fullness of God's love and joy entering and filling the creature. The creature has but one thing to do—to turn its desire or will toward God and give Him free scope; then nothing in heaven or earth can prevent the light and the joy of God filling that soul. The living centre around which all the perfections of God cluster, the living energy through which they all do their work, is the will of God. The will of God is the life of the universe. The universe is what it is because God wills it; His will is the living energy which maintains it in existence. The creature can have no more of God than he has of God's will working in him. He that would meet and find God must seek Him in His will; union with God's will is union with Himself.

Therefore it was that the Lord Jesus, when He came to this world, always spoke of His having come to do one thing—the will of His Father. This alone could work our salvation. Sin had broken us away from the will of God. In doing the will of God He was to break the power of sin. He was to prove wherein the service of God and true blessedness consisted; He was to work out in Himself a new nature to be communicated, a new way of living to be followed; He was to show that the doing of God's will at any cost is blessedness and glory everlasting. It was because He did this, because He was obedient unto death, that God highly exalted Him. It was this disposition, His obedience, that made Him worthy and fit to sit with God on the throne of heaven. Union with the will of God is union with God Himself, and must—it cannot be otherwise—bring glory to God.

And this is as true of us as of Him. It is to be feared that there are many Christians who seek salvation, and have no conception in what salvation consists— a being saved from their own will, and being restored to do the will of God alone. They seek after Christ, and trust in Him; but it is not the true Christ but a Christ of whom they have framed their own image. The true Christ is the incarnate will of God, the incarnate obedience, who works in us what God wrought in Him. Christ came as the Son, to impart to us the very same life and disposition as animated Him on earth. Christ came to be a High Priest, to bring us to God in that very same way of obedience and self-sacrifice in which He drew nigh to God. As Son and Priest, Christ is our Leader and Forerunner; it is only as we follow Him in His path on earth that we can hope to share His glory in heaven. He "became the Author of eternal salvation to them that obey Him" (emphasis added.)

Let us beware that no wrong or one-sided views of what salvation by faith means lead us astray. There are some who think that salvation by faith is all, and obedience not so essential. This is a terrible mistake. In our justification there is indeed no thought of obedience in the past. God justifies the ungodly. But repentance is a return to obedience. And without repentance there can be no true faith. Justification, and the faith by which it comes, are only for the sake of obedience, as means to an end. They point us to Christ and the salvation that is to be found in union with Him. And He has no salvation but for “them that obey Him.” Obedience, as the acceptance of His will and life, is our only capacity for salvation. This is the reason there is so much complaining that we cannot find and do not enjoy a full salvation. We seek it in the wrong way. Jesus Himself said that the Father would give the Holy Spirit, that is, salvation as it is perfected in Christ in heaven, to “them that obey Him.” To such would He manifest Himself; with such would the Father and He dwell. The salvation of Christ was wrought out entirely by obedience; this is its very essence and nature; it cannot be possessed or enjoyed but by obedience. Christ, who was perfected by obedience, is the Author, the cause, of salvation to none but “them that obey Him.”

Chapter Notes:

1. Salvation to obedience. Let us draw off our eyes and desires from the too exclusive thought of salvation as happiness, and fix them more upon that which is its reality—obedience. Christ will see to it that a full salvation comes to the obedient.

2. Let no wrong thoughts of our sinfulness and inability secretly keep us back from the surrender to entire obedience. We are made partakers of Christ, of Himself, with the very life and spirit of obedience which constitutes Him the Savior. The Son of God came not only to teach and to claim, but to give and work obedience. Faith in this Lord Jesus may claim, and will receive, the grace of obedience— indeed, will receive Himself.

3. Jesus personally learned and exercised obedience; personally He communicates it in fellowship with Himself; it becomes a personal link with Himself to those who obey Him.

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Note: our obedience is not the producer of our salvation, it is the product. We are saved ONLY through the finished work of Jesus Christ at Calvary, which God's grace makes available to whomsoever desires to come to Him. We appropriate that to ourselves through faith in Him and that finished work. The obedience is what follows ... not as a necessary adjunct to what Christ did, but as an unavoidable consequence.

Now, that obedience to God each day may take a lot of time to become the outstanding characteristic of our lives. We may fail. We may even fall through occasional disobedience. But we know we have failed or fallen and that thought causes us spiritual agony until we confess and once again submit to the Father ... at which point the blood of Jesus washes us clean again. Eventually, we will more and more grow into daily communion through obedience to the point that our lives will, more and more, naturally demonstrate our new nature—which is none other than the very nature of Christ being manifested in us. It will not be something we have to try to do; it will be something we naturally are.

Now, in the context of what has been said above, perhaps the points that confused you are a little more understandable? I dearly wish that Joe Chambers had given explanations beside each of the 10 myths, and not just listed them. A lot of confusion would have been avoided had he done so.

I pray this helps.

[JAyres]

It helps a whole lot, actually. Definitely food for thought. I just hope I really understand what it is I must do to obey.

[REKG]

Well... I'm kinda like JAYres in his answer/reply. I pray every night before going to bed, I think about the lord a heck of a lot during each day of the week, I know from the Bible what is coming down the path in the real near future, however I still struggle and I fight with myself, about the things I said, thought, or done. So basic truth is since I got down on my knees that night in Jan. 2012 and begged for forgiveness, and each night since then, I guess by the way it was put in writing is I've been lieing to myself, irregardless of what I have been struggling to do which is trying to walk in the light.

[Ducati]

I think the biggest lies Satan tells people are not even on the list...there are two.

1. He doesn't exist - many folk believe in god (little g) and not Satan. Your theology will be all messed up from here after.

2. He wares a red suit and carries a pitch fork - If you see him like this then you'll laugh at him and then not take him seriously.

[mattfivefour]

Well... I'm kinda like JAYres in his answer/reply. I pray every night before going to bed, I think about the lord a heck of a lot during each day of the week, I know from the Bible what is coming down the path in the real near future, however I still struggle and I fight with myself, about the things I said, thought, or done. So basic truth is since I got down on my knees that night in Jan. 2012 and begged for forgiveness, and each night since then, I guess by the way it was put in writing is I've been lieing to myself, irregardless of what I have been struggling to do which is trying to walk in the light.

No, you have not been lying to yourself! The fact that you so badly desire to please Him is evidence that you ARE saved, bro. It is the desire to please that counts. And if you put the same time into reading His Word—particularly the New Testament—and asking the Holy Spirit to apply the things you see there to your life, then that is all you can do ... other than try. The Holy Spirit WILL bring about the changes. In fact, others may notice the good things that you do not; because you and I know our own hearts and can see what is wrong and lacking, whereas others cannot see our hearts— they just see the changes in us.

Give it time, bro. It's only been 4 months. I've been on this road almost 40 years! Don't be discouraged. You are heading in the right direction and Christ has you in His hands. He is not only the Author but the finisher of your faith.

[REKG]

Thanks matt, sometimes getting so confused is..... last friday a lady was asking me about a book by bill salus. I explained it to her and gave it to her to read and I asked her if she knew what the Rapture was, she said kinda. Anyway I guess I sometimes worry that I don't have any fruit to bare for my Lord. I know I fall big time short and again I go to him each night with shame asking again to forgive me. Second thing too, I sometimes think about what other Christians think, and in a way I should'nt worry bout them and what they think I am trying to go thru the narrow gate as it is, without all the other stuff. To me believing in the Lord should be very simple, not alot of this and that. I made a copy of this thread as to read through it again at work, well again thanks and Bless all that come to this forum.

[mattfivefour]

You just keep trusting Christ who began the good work in you to bring it to completion. He is the only one who can.

[shane]

Joseph Chambers seems to lean towards "Lordship Salvation" or he's getting old and senile that he just writes stuff without thinking the confusion and fear it can have on a young christian. If you know in your heart you are a sinner and know there is nothing you can do to pay the debt owed to a Holy and Just God, then realize Christ died and took that punishment in your place and was raised from the dead, YOU ARE SAVED(Romans 10:9). We all fall short of the glory of God. Even saved we are going to slip because we are still in a fallen body. Paul had his struggles(Read Romans 7). Strive to please Him, if you slip and sin He WILL forgive you. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:9-10. I remind myself God dosen't have butter fingers, if you truley repent, nothing can take you out of His grasp.

[mattfivefour]

Shane, Lordship Salvation puts obedience as a necessary work for salvation to occur. I could be wrong, but what Dr. Chambers teaches—as did many (actually "most") of the greatest preachers in history—is that obedience is an inevitable outcome of salvation, not a necessary begetter of it. Other than that, I agree with nearly everything you said. And I think Dr. Chambers would, too.

[shane]

The Lordship Salvation Im thinking of is the ones that say Salvation can be lost, which I disagree on.

[mattfivefour]

That's actually called "Conditional Salvation". Our salvation is not conditional upon us. Again, as I said above, obedience does not produce salvation, true salvation produces obedience. Anybody who says they can walk in sin but be saved is walking a very dangerous line. That's not speaking of falling: that's speaking of willful disobedience and not caring. As John wrote to the Church, "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" (1 John 1:6). And again, "He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked" (1 John 2:4-6). There is much harm done to the true gospel of Jesus Christ and many people are being misled into hell when we fail to preach the entire message of the gospel.

[JC1949]

No, "once saved, always saved" relates to those who are truly saved. And all of your questions, actually, are related to that one point. (Well, all except the one regarding the literal or symbolic nature of Revelation. My view is that all of the events of Revelation are literal, with much symbolism being used to demonstrate those literal things that otherwise we would not be able to comprehend.)

Anyway, let's focus on the main issue you raise—that of salvation ... about which there is much, MUCH misunderstanding in the churches today. I will try to clarify. Salvation is not with the mouth or even with the mind. It is with the heart. And when it is motivated by a broken and contrite heart, then God sees it is real and the Holy Spirit comes to live within that person. Indeed, that is how we become "new creatures in Christ"—literally we have the seed of a brand new nature implanted in us. We are now re-created to do God's will. Now, many in the world call Him "Lord, Lord", but we know their outcome: He will say, "Depart from me: I never knew you!" You see, they did not have a heart conversion: they were interested only in the spiritual benefits of "being saved", the freedom from the consequences of their sins, rather than a desire to please God. They weren't sorry for their sins; they were sorry for the consequences of those sins. They weren't seeking a restoration to fellowship with God; they were seeking reprieve from the penalty of their wickedness. They weren't seeking what pleases God; but rather, what offered pleasure for themselves: freedom from hell in eternity, and in this life all the blessings they can ask for. And that is evidenced by the fact that their hearts were not changed.

Obedience to God is the mark of the new nature, the evidence of salvation. We tend to look at salvation as creating happiness in us; when the real fact is salvation should first create obedience in us.

In the chapter of the Hebrews study I posted just today, coincidentally, Andrew Murray says it far better than I—

----

“ ⁸ Though He was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which He suffered. ⁹ And having been made perfect, He became unto all them that obey Him, the author of eternal salvation.” (Hebrews 5:8-9)

The death of Jesus has its value and efficacy in obedience—ours as well as His. With Him obedience was God's great object in His suffering; the root and power of His perfection and His glory; the real efficient cause of our eternal salvation. And with us, the necessity of obedience is no less absolute. With God and with Christ our restoration to obedience was the great aim of redemption. It is the only way to that union with God in which our happiness consists. Through it alone God can reveal His life and power within us. Again l say: The death of Jesus has its value and efficacy in nothing but obedience—ours as well as His. He “learned obedience by the things which He suffered, and having been made perfect, he became to all them that obey Him the author of eternal salvation." Our obedience is as indispensable as His. As little as He could work out salvation without obedience, can we enjoy it. In us as much as in Him, obedience is the very essence of salvation.

Let us try and grasp this. God is the blessedness of the creature. When God is all to the creature, when He is allowed in humility and dependence to work all, and when all returns to Him in thanksgiving and service, nothing can prevent the fullness of God's love and joy entering and filling the creature. The creature has but one thing to do—to turn its desire or will toward God and give Him free scope; then nothing in heaven or earth can prevent the light and the joy of God filling that soul. The living centre around which all the perfections of God cluster, the living energy through which they all do their work, is the will of God. The will of God is the life of the universe. The universe is what it is because God wills it; His will is the living energy which maintains it in existence. The creature can have no more of God than he has of God's will working in him. He that would meet and find God must seek Him in His will; union with God's will is union with Himself.

Therefore it was that the Lord Jesus, when He came to this world, always spoke of His having come to do one thing—the will of His Father. This alone could work our salvation. Sin had broken us away from the will of God. In doing the will of God He was to break the power of sin. He was to prove wherein the service of God and true blessedness consisted; He was to work out in Himself a new nature to be communicated, a new way of living to be followed; He was to show that the doing of God's will at any cost is blessedness and glory everlasting. It was because He did this, because He was obedient unto death, that God highly exalted Him. It was this disposition, His obedience, that made Him worthy and fit to sit with God on the throne of heaven. Union with the will of God is union with God Himself, and must—it cannot be otherwise—bring glory to God.

And this is as true of us as of Him. It is to be feared that there are many Christians who seek salvation, and have no conception in what salvation consists— a being saved from their own will, and being restored to do the will of God alone. They seek after Christ, and trust in Him; but it is not the true Christ but a Christ of whom they have framed their own image. The true Christ is the incarnate will of God, the incarnate obedience, who works in us what God wrought in Him. Christ came as the Son, to impart to us the very same life and disposition as animated Him on earth. Christ came to be a High Priest, to bring us to God in that very same way of obedience and self-sacrifice in which He drew nigh to God. As Son and Priest, Christ is our Leader and Forerunner; it is only as we follow Him in His path on earth that we can hope to share His glory in heaven. He "became the Author of eternal salvation to them that obey Him" (emphasis added.)

Let us beware that no wrong or one-sided views of what salvation by faith means lead us astray. There are some who think that salvation by faith is all, and obedience not so essential. This is a terrible mistake. In our justification there is indeed no thought of obedience in the past. God justifies the ungodly. But repentance is a return to obedience. And without repentance there can be no true faith. Justification, and the faith by which it comes, are only for the sake of obedience, as means to an end. They point us to Christ and the salvation that is to be found in union with Him. And He has no salvation but for “them that obey Him.” Obedience, as the acceptance of His will and life, is our only capacity for salvation. This is the reason there is so much complaining that we cannot find and do not enjoy a full salvation. We seek it in the wrong way. Jesus Himself said that the Father would give the Holy Spirit, that is, salvation as it is perfected in Christ in heaven, to “them that obey Him.” To such would He manifest Himself; with such would the Father and He dwell. The salvation of Christ was wrought out entirely by obedience; this is its very essence and nature; it cannot be possessed or enjoyed but by obedience. Christ, who was perfected by obedience, is the Author, the cause, of salvation to none but “them that obey Him.”

Chapter Notes:

1. Salvation to obedience. Let us draw off our eyes and desires from the too exclusive thought of salvation as happiness, and fix them more upon that which is its reality—obedience. Christ will see to it that a full salvation comes to the obedient.

2. Let no wrong thoughts of our sinfulness and inability secretly keep us back from the surrender to entire obedience. We are made partakers of Christ, of Himself, with the very life and spirit of obedience which constitutes Him the Savior. The Son of God came not only to teach and to claim, but to give and work obedience. Faith in this Lord Jesus may claim, and will receive, the grace of obedience— indeed, will receive Himself.

3. Jesus personally learned and exercised obedience; personally He communicates it in fellowship with Himself; it becomes a personal link with Himself to those who obey Him.

---

Note: our obedience is not the producer of our salvation, it is the product. We are saved ONLY through the finished work of Jesus Christ at Calvary, which God's grace makes available to whomsoever desires to come to Him. We appropriate that to ourselves through faith in Him and that finished work. The obedience is what follows ... not as a necessary adjunct to what Christ did, but as an unavoidable consequence.

Now, that obedience to God each day may take a lot of time to become the outstanding characteristic of our lives. We may fail. We may even fall through occasional disobedience. But we know we have failed or fallen and that thought causes us spiritual agony until we confess and once again submit to the Father ... at which point the blood of Jesus washes us clean again. Eventually, we will more and more grow into daily communion through obedience to the point that our lives will, more and more, naturally demonstrate our new nature—which is none other than the very nature of Christ being manifested in us. It will not be something we have to try to do; it will be something we naturally are.

Now, in the context of what has been said above, perhaps the points that confused you are a little more understandable? I dearly wish that Joe Chambers had given explanations beside each of the 10 myths, and not just listed them. A lot of confusion would have been avoided had he done so.

I pray this helps.

I agree completely brother....
I am getting really really tired of all religious stuff!

[WalterNZ]

Hey this is a silly list in my opinion. GOD JUDGES EACH ONE OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND HE LOOKS AT OUR HEARTS

LOOK HOW JESUS TREATED THE HYPOCRITES!!!!.....I DONT SUPPORT GAYS, BUT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT SEXUAL IMMORALITY IS a problem FOR CHRISTIANS ALSO. THERE IS HOPE FOR GAYS TO REPENT

GOD IS THE ONLY JUDGE!!!

ALSO

THE REVELATION SAYS 144000 SAVED, WELL THATS SYMBOLISM IMO

144000 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[JC1949]

That's actually called "Conditional Salvation". Our salvation is not conditional upon us. Again, as I said above, obedience does not produce salvation, true salvation produces obedience. Anybody who says they can walk in sin but be saved is walking a very dangerous line. That's not speaking of falling: that's speaking of willful disobedience and not caring. As John wrote to the Church, "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" (1 John 1:6). And again, "He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked" (1 John 2:4-6). There is much harm done to the true gospel of Jesus Christ and many people are being misled into hell when we fail to preach the entire message of the gospel.

I TOTALLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU JUST SAID BROTHER!!!!
Religionist should STOP propagating "their" FALSE GOSPEL.
I say,I am NOT impressed with names and titles,Reverend,pastor and the lot.
We MUST adhere to HIS GOSPEL of GRACE and NOT to preach ANOTHER GOSPEL.
Thank You Adrian.Sorry for my venting,but I am soooooooooo sick and tired of all this denominational- ism and religiosity .....
Shalom