The "Prophecy" of the Popes – Hal Lindsey 3/23

[Littlejoe]

Was on his Show Friday 3/23.......


The Hal Lindsey Report - The Hal Lindsey Report: 11-04-2011

[mattfivefour]

To recap: We have an ancient prophecy -- issued by a Catholic Bishop -- that predicts Pope Benedict XVI will be the next to last pope. It also indicates that the pontiff which follows him will cooperate with the Antichrist, which, in turn will result in "the city of seven hills" being destroyed.

So, Hal is basing what he says upon the "prophecy" of an unsaved person serving in a pagan-rooted organization. sorry, if we lend credence to the prophecy of Malachy, then we have to do the same for those of Nostradamus, the Aquarians, and anybody else who utters one. There is no difference between the— they are all without Christ.

[Littlejoe]

So, Hal is basing what he says upon the "prophecy" of an unsaved person serving in a pagan-rooted organization. sorry, if we lend credence to the prophecy of Malachy, then we have to do the same for those of Nostradamus, the Aquarians, and anybody else who utters one. There is no difference between the— they are all without Christ.

No,he say's flat out here....... "I do not believe Saint Malachy's predictions rise to the level of the Bible's prophecies in either their detail or accuracy. However, his predictions have been remarkable in their own way and bear relevance to the times in which we live. "


Like he does point out in the article,the way the last 900 years have gone,and him being 86,to watch....who knows what lays in store
that God will do.......

[livin_in_the_Son]

No,he say's flat out here....... "I do not believe Saint Malachy's predictions rise to the level of the Bible's prophecies in either their detail or accuracy. However, his predictions have been remarkable in their own way and bear relevance to the times in which we live. "


Like he does point out in the article,the way the last 900 years have gone,and him being 86,to watch....who knows what lays in store
that God will do.......

Well, not to argue, but since he also mentions that the 'alleged prophesy' was a bunch of cryptic phrases, that no such value should be placed in them.

Plus the pope chooses his own name, so who can really know what name the next pope will choose? Unless the pope-elect plans on making it a self-fullfilling prophesy.

[mattfivefour]

Sorry, bro, but I see that as Hal playing both sides of the fence. "I don't accept this prophecy" ... but "Hey, this guy made this prophecy: we should keep watch."

[Littlejoe]

Well, not to argue, but since he also mentions that the 'alleged prophesy' was a bunch of cryptic phrases, that no such value should be placed in them.

Plus the pope chooses his own name, so who can really know what name the next pope will choose? Unless the pope-elect plans on making it a self-fullfilling prophesy.

While there, this Bishop purportedly experienced a vision in which he saw the popes from that time until the end of the Roman Catholic church. He recorded his impression of each of the remaining 112 popes in a series of cryptic phrases.

No he didn't say that allegedly !! was a "bunch of Cryptic phrases what he did say was "He recorded his impression of each of the remaining 112 popes in a series of cryptic phrases. Lets not take what said out of context,and try to make it say it like what one wants it,said They are in cryptic form,which looking back at each Pope in the last 900 years,are exactly as he described them,the last 111 popes....At least we better watch and see how things pan out...won't be long now,he's 86 and in bad health this Pope is..

[livin_in_the_Son]

While there, this Bishop purportedly experienced a vision in which he saw the popes from that time until the end of the Roman Catholic church. He recorded his impression of each of the remaining 112 popes in a series of cryptic phrases.

No he didn't say that allegedly !! was a "bunch of Cryptic phrases what he did say was "He recorded his impression of each of the remaining 112 popes in a series of cryptic phrases. Lets not take what said out of context,and try to make it say it like what one whats it to read !They are in cryptic form,which looking back at each Pope in the last 900 years,are exactly as he described them,the last 111 popes....At least we better watch and see how things pan out...won't be long now,he's 86 and in bad health this Pope is..

Sorry, I said alleged but forgot to note that, but the cryptic phrases part was true. And don't you think that looking back at the phrases and the popes, that could be a form of pigeoning-holing as well? What do you make of the fact that the pope chooses his own name?

[BuzzardHut]

What does Nostradamus have to say about all this?

[Saved Through Jesus]

I've done a little bit of research into this. While i find it interesting, the fact is, at the end of the day there is only one reliable source for Christians in regards to prophecy, and that is the Bible. Do i think God can use people in different ways to get his messages across (including prophecy)? Absolutely. But, as a general statement, be careful to not put too much stock in prophecies that aren't founded in the Bible.. especially by unbelievers.

[Littlejoe]

I've done a little bit of research into this. While i find it interesting, the fact is, at the end of the day there is only one reliable source for Christians in regards to prophecy, and that is the Bible. Do i think God can use people in different ways to get his messages across (including prophecy)? Absolutely. But, as a general statement, be careful to not put too much stock in prophecies that aren't founded in the Bible.. especially by unbelievers.

Exactly...And thats just what Hal Lindsey,or any other bible prophecy teachers has said !!Has anyone read the full article?where Hal
specifically "STATES" ...

I do not believe Saint Malachy's predictions rise to the level of the Bible's prophecies in either their detail or accuracy. However, his predictions have been remarkable in their own way and bear relevance to the times in which we live.

Fact is,were in the endtimes,and these things will like all bible prophecy pans out,will come to pass,will this???time will soon tell....

[BuzzardHut]

I've done a little bit of research into this. While i find it interesting, the fact is, at the end of the day there is only one reliable source for Christians in regards to prophecy, and that is the Bible. Do i think God can use people in different ways to get his messages across (including prophecy)? Absolutely. But, as a general statement, be careful to not put too much stock in prophecies that aren't founded in the Bible.. especially by unbelievers.

I'm pretty sure one has to be demon possessed to be a catholic prophet, so maybe they had some "inside info" on what satan is up to, but nevertheless, we cannot find much value in what the father of lies has to tell us and that's why we'll stick with scripture and not the mystical monks or fortune tellers.

Exciting times we are in!

[This]

I am very saddened by what I have seen written by some of you in this particular thread. I am no fan of the Catholic religion, but there are many people that go to the RCC and are just as saved as us. If I was a Catholic and came to this site for guidance, I could accidentally view what some of you wrote below as being self righteous.

One of my favorite people I ever met was a Malaysian Catholic women who died with incredible dignity from Cancer. Many at the hospital could see her grace and were led to Christ because of her.

We do not know why people who are truly saved stay with the Catholic church, but based on various conversations with my Catholic friends, there are usually reasons we wouldn't realize.

As for the prophecies referred to by Hal Lindsey, he put in adequate disclaimers as to the source and limitations. While I am not saying these prophecies on the Pope are God-inspired, one cannot definitively say that they weren't. HENCE Hal's disclaimers.

Who are we to limit who God may choose to reveal things to? Ours is to discern whether it makes sense or not and that it must NEVER contradict Scripture. Before condemning this work, why not research if such contradiction exists? I personally couldn't see any and view this material as Hal did - just another interesting source of information POSSIBLY filling in more pieces of the prophetic puzzle.

[daygo]

Spot on this, if only we could all use simple common sense apply scripture, asking god for guidance and wisdom if we want it etc.

[BuzzardHut]

I am very saddened by what I have seen written by some of you in this particular thread. I am no fan of the Catholic religion, but there are many people that go to the RCC and are just as saved as us. If I was a Catholic and came to this site for guidance, I could accidentally view what some of you wrote below as being self righteous.

Quite a lot of issues you bring up here in just a few sentences; first of all; catholics know they are to go to their own church for guidance and are taught to reject scripture; those that come here are already searching for truth outside of their church and they know truth when it strikes them head on, second, no one here ever said all catholic members are lost; quite a big accusation you make here into the realm of bearing false witness.

One of my favorite people I ever met was a Malaysian Catholic women who died with incredible dignity from Cancer. Many at the hospital could see her grace and were led to Christ because of her.

A nun preaching salvation through the historical Jesus of scripture or the catholic christ of Catholicism? You understand there is a big difference with another gospel involved correct?

We do not know why people who are truly saved stay with the Catholic church, but based on various conversations with my Catholic friends, there are usually reasons we wouldn't realize.

No one here told any catholic here they must leave their church, but let me ask you, are they growing spiritually after salvation while remaining a member? Have they counted the cost as a true disciple and followed Jesus in His water baptism by full immersion? Do they participate in the host when it is a sin to partake of a false Christ?

As for the prophecies referred to by Hal Lindsey, he put in adequate disclaimers as to the source and limitations. While I am not saying these prophecies on the Pope are God-inspired, one cannot definitively say that they weren't. HENCE Hal's disclaimers.

Does God speak prophesy through men who are teaching others deceptions in different paths to salvation? For real?

Who are we to limit who God may choose to reveal things to? Ours is to discern whether it makes sense or not and that it must NEVER contradict Scripture. Before condemning this work, why not research if such contradiction exists? I personally couldn't see any and view this material as Hal did - just another interesting source of information POSSIBLY filling in more pieces of the prophetic puzzle.

Is prophecy spoken outside God's Bride of Christ - the church and our old testament brothers?, we have the scriptures for prophecy and just as we have many threads on "evangelical" preachers denouncing their phony predictions are we really going to open up ourselves up to obvious deceptions from mystic priests with a false gospel? Do we really want to stand on the edge of false deception just to see where it takes us? Will God bless us for this endeavor?

[This]

Is prophecy spoken outside God's Bride of Christ

Hi BuzzardHut,

Thanks for the response. You are a keen defender of Scripture and I will ALWAYS respect a person for doing just that.

However, while anything BUT a fan of the RCC, you are painting a lot of people with a broad brush. Just like there are apostates in the evangelical church there are evangelicals in the apostate church. Who are you to judge who is or is not part of the Bride of Christ without illustrating substantiating proof?

Such stereotypes are not helpful in bringing the body of Christ together. Believing in RCC doctrine is like any sin - salvation first and THEN wanting to give it up at the appropriate time as guided to by the Holy Spirit. We should not jump to such potentially harmful conclusions so quickly.

Case in point: Let us examine the quote above on what you had written. In order for you to say what you did, you must have proof that this particular gentleman that Hal was referencing was indeed, without a doubt, "outside God's Bride of Christ". After all, this is what you are insinuating when you wrote this. I was personally not aware of such conclusive proof being available that allowed you to make such an incredibly strong statement about another person's salvation. As such, I would find whatever link or reference you may have to your material that substantiated this statement as fact to be most helpful.

[BuzzardHut]

Hi BuzzardHut,

Thanks for the response. You are a keen defender of Scripture and I will ALWAYS respect a person for doing just that.

However, while anything BUT a fan of the RCC, you are painting a lot of people with a broad brush. Just like there are apostates in the evangelical church there are evangelicals in the apostate church. Who are you to judge who is or is not part of the Bride of Christ without illustrating substantiating proof?

Such stereotypes are not helpful in bringing the body of Christ together. Believing in RCC doctrine is like any sin - salvation first and THEN wanting to give it up at the appropriate time as guided to by the Holy Spirit. We should not jump to such potentially harmful conclusions so quickly.

Case in point: Let us examine the quote above on what you had written. In order for you to say what you did, you must have proof that this particular gentleman that Hal was referencing was indeed, without a doubt, "outside God's Bride of Christ". After all, this is what you are insinuating when you wrote this. I was personally not aware of such conclusive proof being available that allowed you to make such an incredibly strong statement about another person's salvation. As such, I would find whatever link or reference you may have to your material that substantiated this statement as fact would be most helpful.

I never broad-brushed here
the issue is black and white, not gray.
Stereotyping? Are you claiming universalism? Sycretism?
We have the scriptures to judge and we better judge, especially those claiming to "hear from God about the future"
We can 'discern' and part of evangelizing is helping others become aware of lost and saved; we don't blur the issue with a broad stroke that all paths through many christs in many types of churches lead to heaven.
You really want me to do your homework on St Malachy? Who calls themselves a saint?
You really believe soothsaying priests are born again believers? You do understand the elements involved in salvation and a priest cannot even function in Romanism after salvation correct? Look at what happened to Luther.

[This]

I never broad-brushed here
the issue is black and white, not gray.
Stereotyping? Are you claiming universalism? Sycretism?
We have the scriptures to judge and we better judge, especially those claiming to "hear from God about the future"
You really want me to do your homework on St Malachy? Who calls themselves a saint?
You really believe soothsaying priests are born again believers? You do understand the elements involved in salvation and a priest cannot even function in Romanism after salvation correct? Look at what happened to Luther.

Do you realize that you just answered my question with many more of your own questions?

Does anyone notice the irony that I am now doing the same thing?

Does anyone reading this realize that we would be simply going in circles if we continued with this discussion?

Has anyone guessed that I will not be furthering this discussion, but rather will let each decide for themselves?

[BuzzardHut]

Has anyone guessed that I will not be furthering this discussion, but rather will let each decide for themselves?

Then use scriptural discernment with your decisions and not just swallowing every priest's claim he's hearing from God.

[Littlejoe]

I didn't post this article from Hal Lindsey to turn into a debate of intense attitude.I posted it because Mr.Lindsey is a very knowledgeable and crediable prophecy teacher who only refers to the "BIBLE as the only true source of wisdom and Prophecy !
He even put a disclaimer in front of the article,but as he stated at the accuracy of the past popes in light of what Malachy
wrote 900 years ago,down to this cuurent 111 Pope,his name and its meaning.We must never like Hal and others who used
the prophecy has said,that the bible is the only prophecy book were to adhere to,now if things start to go in this direction
as it relates to the prophecy then we must watch,and watch closely..And as the catholics go,no nobody is bashing catholics,
God is warning us its that false system of the RCC and the Roman Church thats the problem,with its false doctrines !! One the
is for sure endtime prophecies are speeding up,and it won't be long to see how the prophecies will unfold,these are exciting
and dangerous and deceptive times were in,just keep looking up,he is coming soon and satans time is about up !!Remember
were all brothers in Christ,just as Lindsey is.This pope is 86 and in failing health,we shall soon see if this prophecy
of the popes is from God or not !!!!!!!!!!!!

[This]

Then use scriptural discernment with your decisions and not just swallowing every priest's claim he's hearing from God.

Always good advice to use scriptural discernment with one's decisions!!

However, I did not realize that I accidentally may have indicated that I swallowed ANY priest's claim that he's hearing from God. However, there it is in a quote from you, that you were somehow able to "discern" from something I had written that I swallow EVERY priest's claim he's hearing from God.

I REALLY look forward to you quoting what I had previously written that even remotely substantiates your absurd claim. If you can't, this would be considered as the OPPOSITE of providing a true witness. Unless you can provide this proof, I look forward to your retraction.