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    Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places” (Matthew 24:7). “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places; there will be famines. These are but the beginning of the birth pains” (Mark 13:8). “There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven” (Luke 21:11).. “While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape” (I Thessalonians 5:3).


    For weeks now I have been pondering the implication of Jesus likening the time preceding his return to earth (the second coming) to the labor pains of a woman giving birth to a child. There are basically two camps of thinking among Pre-tribulationist concerning the birth pains that Christ describes in Mark chapter 13, Matthew chapter 24, and Luke chapter 21 known widely as "The Olivet Discourse". One camp places all the "birth Pains" as occurring only during the seven year period known as The Tribulation. They correctly identify that Christ's warning in these chapters are warnings to the people of Israel and are not warnings to the Church because the Church will be raptured prior to the Tribulation. The second camp believes that while the main birth pains take place during the Tribulation, that precursor pains occur all during the church age and actually escalate as time draws nearer to the Tribulation period. I have puzzled over the matter and wondered which camp is right. Do all the birth pains occur in a vacuum...i.e during the Tribulation or do they also occur outside of it as well? I prayed about it and sought the Lord for guidance. I looked at the scriptures over and over again for clues and still had no clear idea which camp I agreed with. Then I noticed that I kept hearing a small voice inside me say "remember your own pregnancies". I am a mother of four so that was pretty easy. I sat down and poured over memories of carrying each and every one of my four now grown Children. They say that each pregnancy is different but remarkably, each of mine were very similar. It took me a grand total of 12 hours to bless this planet with four children because each of my labors lasted about 3 hours each. After coming out of my personal musings, I said " but Lord where does that fit in with what I'm pondering?". Then it hit me. Any woman that has carried a baby in her body knows that you know almost immediately about how far along you are and when you are due. The first trip to the doctor will produce a specific date of when you can expect your bundle of joy. Mankind has been on earth roughly 6000 years give or take a few years. 2 Peter 3:8–9 reads: ‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’ Many believe that using this model is can be said that man will have 6000 years on earth or six days and that the Lord will return on the seventh day for a 1000 year Millennial reign of rest just as God rested on the 7th day of creation. If this is true, then the beginning of 7th day or the last 1000 years can be seen as being a "due date" (Note: I am not date setting here just using an analogy). Just as a woman given a due date is not sure that her child will be definitely born on that day, Christ warns us that no one knows the day nor the hour that he will return. We know that the Tribulation precedes the Millennial reign and that the rapture precedes that. So if the Second coming is likened to a woman's due date then we do have a general idea of the season of Jesus return to earth. Now moving back to the two camps of thinking: birth pains only in the Tribulation or preceding the Tribulation. When a woman is pregnant and her due date approaches her body is going through a lot of changes. In my latter months as my body swelled with baby and excess water weight, I began to have many aches and pains. Around the latter of the seventh month and into the eighth month I would began to have phantom or shadow pains. Many women call these "pre-labor" pains. The medical professionals call them Braxton-Hicks pains. Like real labor pains they may occur at regular intervals only to become sporadic and then stop all together. They occur more often as you get closer and closer to your due date. Every woman is different but with the exception of the women that you see on "I didn't know I was pregnant", most women know that they are pregnant and when they are "about to pop". They may have symptoms and discomforts that increase as their time draws near. I believe that the same can be said for the return of Jesus. He told us that we could know the season of his return. So exactly what do I conclude with all my observations about pregnancy, child birth and end-times? I conclude that pre-labor pains occur more frequently (in a healthy pregnancy) in the latter months close to the actual start of real labor and the birth of the baby. What do the earthquakes, wars & rumors of war, famines, pestilences, and such going on right now point to prophetically if anything? I say that whether they are like the Braxton-Hicks (false labor pains) or real labor pains of childbirth, that they point to the fact that the return of Jesus is very near. We're living in the last days folks. We could be raptured at moment. If The Tribulation is drawing near, the rapture is even nearer. Look up for your redemption draws nigh. To the redeemed, let us be about our Father's business. To those outside the saving grace of God made possible by Jesus` death on the cross, now is the accepted time. Now is the day of salvation. Today if you hear his voice, harden not your heart. Come to Jesus before it's too late. Admit to God that you're a sinner in need of a savior. Bid Jesus to come in.


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    Thanks Livin, this is excellent! It sure feels like we're about to pop. Come Lord!





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    Even being a guy, I get it. Thank You for the analogy.
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    Very interesting read! I agree that we could be raptured away at any moment. Now is the time to tell others about Christ when they still have a chance to join us in that wonderful rapture.
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    birthing pains get really violent towards the end and this leads me to believe that we are just starting them

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    Quote Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai View Post
    birthing pains get really violent towards the end and this leads me to believe that we are just starting them
    LOL! 64 years is a whole lot of just getting started! Only 37 years passed between Jesus' prophecy about the 2nd Temple and its being razed by Roman Legions.

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    I labored for 23 hours with my youngest son, so I can understand how that would feel like 1000 years! The more we wanted him out, the more he wanted to stay where he was, and he came when it was time. We want Jesus to come today, it'll happen when it's time. (and none of my babies came on their due date).

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    You're welcome Susan.
    I am glad you got it Kenny!
    It sure is dcbrott99!
    birthing pains get really violent towards the end
    Isn't that the truth!
    LOL! 64 years is a whole lot of just getting started!
    I'm hoping we don't have much longer.
    I labored for 23 hours with my youngest son
    Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by livin_in_the_Son View Post
    I labored for 23 hours with my youngest son, so I can understand how that would feel like 1000 years! The more we wanted him out, the more he wanted to stay where he was, and he came when it was time. We want Jesus to come today, it'll happen when it's time. (and none of my babies came on their due date).
    We went 26 hours with our first daughter and 23 with the second. Well, I shouldn't say "we" because I hid in the bathroom anytime I could sneak off. I've field dressed just about everything, but that I just couldn't handle!! LOL
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    LOL! 64 years is a whole lot of just getting started! Only 37 years passed between Jesus' prophecy about the 2nd Temple and its being razed by Roman Legions.
    I guess it's been a while eh? a lot of women get contractions many days or even weeks before the kid comes out...



    so while they have been going on since Christ was crucified and resurrected, I would honestly say that the troubles have really only just begun and as you can see they are advancing at a very rapid pace.....
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    One camp places all the "birth Pains" as occurring only during the seven year period known as The Tribulation. They correctly identify that Christ's warning in these chapters are warnings to the people of Israel and are not warnings to the Church because the Church will be raptured prior to the Tribulation.
    I am of the camp quoted above!

    Three kids delivered at home... delivered #2 solo.....I get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennO View Post
    I am of the camp quoted above!

    Three kids delivered at home... delivered #2 solo.....I get it
    Wow Glenn!! Amazing. I was in the delivery room where my wife pushed for hour upon hour and all that I could see was the top of the head. She (Mika) was just not coming out. So emergency c-section occurred. That said maybe Jesus cutting the days short because no flesh would be saved is a c-section!!! LOL!

    So from your understanding Glenn, correct me if wrong, the signs that Christ's coming is near that occurred since 1948 are just signs, but the real McCoy, that is the real birth Pangs are a countdown that occurrs after the Church is Raptured. Is that correct? because if it is there is not much difference between the two camps other than Semantics and a worsening of events and happening, i.e. death tolls and destruction.

    God bless us all who paitienty wait for His return.
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    Parabal of the faithful and eveil servent surly applies here.
    Matthew 24: 44-51

    45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
    46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
    47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
    48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’
    49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
    50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
    51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikhen7 View Post
    Wow Glenn!! Amazing. I was in the delivery room where my wife pushed for hour upon hour and all that I could see was the top of the head. She (Mika) was just not coming out. So emergency c-section occurred. That said maybe Jesus cutting the days short because no flesh would be saved is a c-section!!! LOL!

    So from your understanding Glenn, correct me if wrong, the signs that Christ's coming is near that occurred since 1948 are just signs, but the real McCoy, that is the real birth Pangs are a countdown that occurrs after the Church is Raptured. Is that correct? because if it is there is not much difference between the two camps other than Semantics and a worsening of events and happening, i.e. death tolls and destruction.

    God bless us all who paitienty wait for His return.
    My little girl ended up coming in just the same way. My Wife pushed for hours and was just got exhausted and all I could ever see was the top of my little girls head. Your right, in a sense, the rapture will be kind of like an emergency C-section. Get that baby out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcbrott99 View Post
    My little girl ended up coming in just the same way. My Wife pushed for hours and was just got exhausted and all I could ever see was the top of my little girls head. Your right, in a sense, the rapture will be kind of like an emergency C-section. Get that baby out!
    Not the rapture but the second coming will cut short those days. I like your
    analogy though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LivnForChrist View Post
    Not the rapture but the second coming will cut short those days. I like your
    analogy though.
    Yes that is what I was implying in my post as well!

    God Bless
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    All this talk about birth pangs has me looking for an epidural! Come quickly Lord Jesus!
    Gal3:3 "Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"

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    Again, what are the "beginning of sorrows [birth pangs]" that Jesus spoke of in the Olivet Discourse?

    1. Deception.

    "for many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they shall lead many astray"

    2. War.

    "and ye shall begin to hear of wars, and reports of wars; see, be not troubled, for it behoveth all [these] to come to pass, but the end is not yet."

    3. More War and the Results of War, and with Earthquakes in diverse places

    "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places;"

    Matthew 24:5-7 (YLT)

    Are any of these things NOT occurring in and around Israel, particularly from 1948 to the present? ONLY in this present day is it possible from someone in Israel to know of ethnic strife and wars in other lands and that earthquakes have just occurred on the other side of the earth.

    Matthew 24:8 (YLT) Jesus' very next words:

    "and all these [are] the beginning of sorrows [birth pangs];"

    And then what happens in verse 9?

    "then they shall deliver you up to tribulation..."

    So, do these sorrows [birth pangs] begin to occur BEFORE or do they occur only DURING the Tribulation?

    I think the correct answer is self-evident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Osborne View Post
    Again, what are the "beginning of sorrows [birth pangs]" that Jesus spoke of in the Olivet Discourse?

    1. Deception.

    "for many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they shall lead many astray"

    2. War.

    "and ye shall begin to hear of wars, and reports of wars; see, be not troubled, for it behoveth all [these] to come to pass, but the end is not yet."

    3. More War and the Results of War, and with Earthquakes in diverse places

    "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places;"

    Matthew 24:5-7 (YLT)

    Are any of these things NOT occurring in and around Israel, particularly from 1948 to the present? ONLY in this present day is it possible from someone in Israel to know of ethnic strife and wars in other lands and that earthquakes have just occurred on the other side of the earth.

    Matthew 24:8 (YLT) Jesus' very next words:

    "and all these [are] the beginning of sorrows [birth pangs];"

    And then what happens in verse 9?

    "then they shall deliver you up to tribulation..."

    So, do these sorrows [birth pangs] begin to occur BEFORE or do they occur only DURING the Tribulation?

    I think the correct answer is self-evident.


    I agree with your post Sean. I have only been studying end time events (eschatology) for a few years now, so I still have much to learn. While studying and learning of the sequence of events that will occur, most teachers that I have read say that all of Matthew 24 is reserved for the 7 year tribulation to come. Your post and other teachings, including events since Israels re-birth that I've read, seem to show that up to verse 9 can/will occur before the actual start of the 7 years remaining.

    I've never done a word study on "sorrows or birth pagns", I think I will try that to see if it brings any more clarity.
    Can the beginning of sorrows vs. 8 be referring to the first half of the trib. along with the tribulation/affliction of vs. 9 ? This is a very interesting thread, I hope more will post and share what they have learned from scripture.
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    This is from RaptureReady concerning BIRTH PANGS. To read the rest click on the link.


    Birth Pangs


    Birth pangs, in terms of Bible Prophecy, refers to certain convulsive geopolitical, geophysical, astrophysical and world-wide socio-economic events and issues scheduled to occur in the time leading up to Jesus Christ's Second Advent (second coming). These are likened to the contractions experienced by a woman about to give birth, with those episodes increasing with frequency and intensity. Jesus' foretelling of these birth pangs use the word "sorrows," in His Olivet Discourse on end time things to come.

    "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." (Matt. 24:3-8)
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