Hybrids

**ANY MINUTE** · January-15th-2012, 12:12 AM

Thanks GlennO and mattfivefour.
Fear, who me?? What's this fear you speak of?

I agree, no fear!! Like all you, I long for our Blessed Hope to gather us and take us home. While we wait though pray, study, fellowship, encourage, share the Gospel and tell others about that Hope that is within us every chance we get. Fear is not an option!!( well I guess it is, but it doesn't need to be)

**mikhen7** · January-15th-2012, 12:51 AM

I appreciate this thread because it has brought out both good and bad teaching. I still believe what I believe about the OT events and Satan's work at trying to destroy the Lord's people up to and including the Messiah the Most Blessed, King of Kings and Lord of Lords--Jesus!!!! Oh what a name! However, without rational thought, Spirit guided study, and a clear view of end-time eschatology as we have on this site, it can be easy for many to be misled. The mixing of New age propaganda, ancient mythological speculation, UFO conspiracy fears, false visions, emotional chattering, is not from God. Yes there is cloning we all know it, because it has been on the news. Yes there may be wild-eyed scientists trying to mix genes. But it does not mean they are making creatures in a lab that are going to terrorize the world. Sounds like a 1950's horror show.

If you want to see the crazy stuff being written about click this link - RaidersNewsNetwork.com I Breaking news, US, World, Science, Discovery, Mystery, Prophetic To be honest, I do not get any peace from God at all at that site. But it is one of the major spigots for some of the same stuff Ron was writing about.

God Bless! Stay in the Word -- stay sound -- God has not given us a spirit of fear but of love and a sound mind!!

**ANY MINUTE** · January-15th-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by mikhen7

With so much evidence of Giants that existed in Scripture I do not think it is a subject to ignore or talk around. I personally agree with Sean and always have, that something occurred that was wicked and it resulted in Demonic offspring. I also believe that God was always aware of Satan's every move. Satan knew that God had promised Abraham's descendants the Promised Land and so, in keeping lock step with his passion to be like God and destroy His people, the pre-flood corruption was waiting for the Israelite's at the Promised Land's borders. I also believe it is what the Lord was referring to in Genesis 15:16 (NKJV), "But in the fourth generation they (Israel) shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete." When in due time their evil activity had reached its fullness, The Lord delivered Israel from Egypt and was ready to give the land to Israel. But the 10 spy's of "little faith" ran in to these giants and thus losing God's original blessing and bringing judgment upon themselves for 40 years.

I know there are some of my brothers and sisters who will disagree but I have never seen a better or more plausible explanation that vindicates the Lord's just actions.

¹ Weavers Beam - Approximately 2 1/2 - 3" thick and of variable lengths. It had a spearpoint that weighed between 15-18 lbs. How far can you throw a sack of potatoes??

God Bless!

Hi miken7,
Thanks for the post with much good information. I hesitate to even comment on the Nephilim aspect of this thread in light of the other thread that was started a few weeks ago, but because of your first comment above, I am still looking at all the evidence I can.

I agree that Nephilim(giants) existed, that much is clear in scripture, how they came about as put forth in the articles is what I'm still looking at.

Matthew 24:36-37 was mentioned in the O.P. and I still struggle to see Nephilim in those passages without forcing it in there. Jesus did say " ...as in the days of Noe..." and then listed the condition of people at that (tribulation) time. He doesn't directly mention anything as profound as Nephilim returning.
If I understand your point above about satan trying to destroy God's people, preventing or at least delaying their taking of the Promised Land, it was all part of a failed plan to ultimately prevent the birth of Israel's Messiah correct? Why the need to have the Nephilim return during the trib.?

Another thing I'm seeking an answer to is if Matthew 24:36-37 takes place in the 70th week (which I do believe), and a return of the Nephilim are in those passages, how would 0-7 yr. old giants be of any major threat to the people experiencing the trib. events? It would seem that the seed tampering would have to start well before the start of the trib., maybe 20 to 30yrs. before to be of any real threat, not sure how old Goliath was though. Surely we must be that close looking at the condition of the world, but maybe not.

Doese anyone have any thoughts or scripture that might help me with these questions?

**Sean Osborne** · January-15th-2012, 10:35 AM

I also agree with the need to thoroughly refute and rebuke the Fear-Uncertainty-Doom mentality of some people and their posts to this forum, and the imperative to not tolerate it one iota should it persist.

The best that we can do is to instruct mightily in the Word of God, from Genesis to the Revelation of Jesus Christ, so that the backslidden, confused and un-saved who lurk or read what is written here gain some true understanding of the nature of the delusion and deceptions that are coming; to show them that an escape from them is imminent, and what they need to do in order to go with us as brethen in the Lamb of God.

**YeuEmMaiMai** · January-15th-2012, 11:13 AM

man the news is bad....it's not all roses out there. each day we are being stripped of our rights as given to us by GOD. But the good news for believers is that it will all be over soon as we will be with our Lord, the people who did not accept Jesus will have one horrid ride ahead of them once the Rapture takes place....

**MikeD** · January-15th-2012, 11:59 AM

Showed these videos to my wife that WKUHIlltopper shared with us. Her first comment was, "sounds like to me the angel that's supposed to blow the "trumpet" at our calling up out of this world is starting to warm up!"

Interesting observation...

**WKUHilltopper** · January-15th-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by MikeD

Showed these videos to my wife that WKUHIlltopper shared with us. Her first comment was," soulds like to me the angel that's supposed to blow the "trumpet" at our calling up out of this world is starting to warm up!"

Interesting observation...

Some of those do sound like trumpets (Shofar?)--or maybe even Godzilla!

Like I said, I don't know if there were some that were faked (although one clip from NJ sounded much like what I heard a few months ago). But the one that was on a sports report surely couldn't have been faked without being disclosed at some point (maybe a very windy night and wind blowing thru the stadium?).

Here's another interesting one implying some sounds may be from a shofar (their speculation, not mine. They also used the term--Book of RevelationS. That drives me nuts! There's no "S" ending the title. Just a pet peeve--lol):

**mikhen7** · January-15th-2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by ANY MINUTE

Hi miken7,
Thanks for the post with much good information. I hesitate to even comment on the Nephilim aspect of this thread in light of the other thread that was started a few weeks ago, but because of your first comment above, I am still looking at all the evidence I can.

I agree that Nephilim(giants) existed, that much is clear in scripture, how they came about as put forth in the articles is what I'm still looking at.

Matthew 24:36-37 was mentioned in the O.P. and I still struggle to see Nephilim in those passages without forcing it in there. Jesus did say " ...as in the days of Noe..." and then listed the condition of people at that (tribulation) time. He doesn't directly mention anything as profound as Nephilim returning.
If I understand your point above about satan trying to destroy God's people, preventing or at least delaying their taking of the Promised Land, it was all part of a failed plan to ultimately prevent the birth of Israel's Messiah correct? Why the need to have the Nephilim return during the trib.?

Another thing I'm seeking an answer to is if Matthew 24:36-37 takes place in the 70th week (which I do believe), and a return of the Nephilim are in those passages, how would 0-7 yr. old giants be of any major threat to the people experiencing the trib. events? It would seem that the seed tampering would have to start well before the start of the trib., maybe 20 to 30yrs. before to be of any real threat, not sure how old Goliath was though. Surely we must be that close looking at the condition of the world, but maybe not.

Doese anyone have any thoughts or scripture that might help me with these questions?

Concerning your quote: "If I understand your point above about satan trying to destroy God's people, preventing or at least delaying their taking of the Promised Land, it was all part of a failed plan to ultimately prevent the birth of Israel's Messiah correct?" Yes, exactly.

As far as them coming, my thoughts are that Satan may try anything to deceive people on earth during the tribulation from listening to the well-presented gospel message that will be preached by the 144,000, the converts of those, and the angel with the everlasting gospel, Rev. 14:6. But I cannot find conclusively that it is found in Scripture that they will return unless you find it under the term Rephaim and Rapha and other morphs of the Hebrew word. I have read where some take this word and try to bring up the demonic creatures from the abyss as being spirits of Nephillim, but I believe more along the lines that these are demonic spirits. Even the demons begged for Christ to not send them to the Abyss, Luke 8:31. I will dig up what is said and post it later this evening. I do not believe that those who hold to the theory of a return believe they will be born then. I think they believe more along the lines as them being wandering spirits destined for eternal damnation. Again I think there is more eisegesis than exegesis going on. From what I have read you have to strain pretty hard to see where they are coming from. The genetic thing is just that genetics. I believe it is sinful but I do not believe it is Satan performing DNA hybridization. The whole "Souless" creature thing is fear-mongering in my book. It is God who gives life to humanity. I believe more along the lines of Henry Morris that the offspring in Genesis 6 is demonic possession or demonically induced malformations that produced creatures of great strength and size. They may have taken residence in the women during conception, thus producing these generations. Not all of the people were Nephillim, but you could see how a race of these could control populations and armies. There are demonically induced sicknesses in the Bible as seen in many possessions.

God Bless

God Bless

**ANY MINUTE** · January-15th-2012, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by mikhen7

Concerning your quote: "If I understand your point above about satan trying to destroy God's people, preventing or at least delaying their taking of the Promised Land, it was all part of a failed plan to ultimately prevent the birth of Israel's Messiah correct?" Yes, exactly.

As far as them coming, my thoughts are that Satan may try anything to deceive people on earth during the tribulation from listening to the well-presented gospel message that will be preached by the 144,000, the converts of those, and the angel with the everlasting gospel, Rev. 14:6. But I cannot find conclusively that it is found in Scripture that they will return unless you find it under the term Rephaim and Rapha and other morphs of the Hebrew word. I have read where some take this word and try to bring up the demonic creatures from the abyss as being spirits of Nephillim, but I believe more along the lines that these are demonic spirits. Even the demons begged for Christ to not send them to the Abyss, Luke 8:31. I will dig up what is said and post it later this evening. I do not believe that those who hold to the theory of a return believe they will be born then. I think they believe more along the lines as them being wandering spirits destined for eternal damnation. Again I think there is more eisegesis than exegesis going on. From what I have read you have to strain pretty hard to see where they are coming from. The genetic thing is just that genetics. I believe it is sinful but I do not believe it is Satan performing DNA hybridization. The whole "Souless" creature thing is fear-mongering in my book. It is God who gives life to humanity. I believe more along the lines of Henry Morris that the offspring in Genesis 6 is demonic possession or demonically induced malformations that produced creatures of great strength and size. They may have taken residence in the women during conception, thus producing these generations. Not all of the people were Nephillim, but you could see how a race of these could control populations and armies. There are demonically induced sicknesses in the Bible as seen in many possessions.

God Bless

God Bless

Thank you for the reply. It helps me with my search on this topic. The bolded above makes sense, I have been taking them to mean a re-creation of giants being born again and causing havoc during the trib., hence my question about is there time for that to occur again (a creation growing to maturity within the 7 year time frame).

Edit to add: The books and articles I have read on the subject, such as the O.P. does, talk alot about genetic mutations, gene altering, transhumanism and such. That is why I was thinking along the lines of a new form of Nephilim, not a return of some wandering spirits from the past.

Thanks again for any light you might shed on this topic.

By the way, you may be on to something with the link you provided in you other post. That link was sent to me by someone who supports a return of the Nephilim, linked to the days of Noe.