Lost Books of Nostradamus, 2012

[oceanminded]

I was watching a program the other night on the History Channel that discussed some of the Nostradamus predictions for 2012. I found that most of his predictions seem to come from the Bible. One thing I did find interesting though is that he described a great Holy War between the Muslims and the Christians in the last days before the Anti Christ makes his appearance. We can really see that taking shape now in the Middle East and around the world. There seems to be an all out attack now on Christians and their beliefs, even here in America which makes me sad and angry. I was curious what others thought about some of his 2012 predictions like the polar shift we are suppose to experience next year. Could he have the gift of prophecy or should we view it as purely entertainment. I know personally I will always turn to the Bible for answers but some of his predictions are noteworthy.

Merry Christmas!

8. And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

[mattfivefour]

It is at best entertainment, imo. Indeed, many of his "prophecies" are so enigmatic that they could be made to apply to almost anything. But at worst Nostradamus is a vehicle of deception. God told us to turn to Him for any future knowledge we might require. Indeed, He revealed the past long before it happened and tells us, therefore, that we should trust Him because he has, likewise, revealed the future before IT will happen. Satan can reveal some things. Horoscopes and psychics can give truth from time to time. But the entire purpose is deception. When Saul summoned the spirit of Samuel through the medium at Endor, he got a spirit and the spirit told him truth. But Saul's death was the result not of the spirit's knowledge but of God's judgment for Saul's spiritual adultery and disobedience. Satan allows sufficient truth in order to trap us so that he can then deceive us into a wrong belief about God and His plan. Satan then takes great pleasure in tormenting us with things over which we are told we have no control. After all, according to these Satanically-given prophecies, these things will take place and there is nothing we can do but survive them, if we are lucky.

I think reading the prophecies of those outside the bible is akin to reading horoscopes or visiting palm-readers or any other psychic. People may be doing it for "entertainment" but God does not approve of it and we risk both our peace and our souls by being disobedient to God. Seeking outside information is actually an expression of a lack of trust in Him. He has revealed to us all that is needful for us to know and everything pertaining to life and godliness. (Deuteronomy 29:29; 2 Peter 1:3) Everything else He has chosen to retain. We need to respect that. We get into deep spiritual trouble when we seek after those things God has chosen not to reveal to us.

I pray this helps.

Happy Christmas. And a belated welcome to RF!

[livin_in_the_Son]

Nostradamus was a fake. His quatrains were vague and could fit any situation after the fact.

[paul&katie]

Nostradamus was an Occultist and got his information from contacting spirits (demons) not from God. Remember the canon of prophecy is CLOSED! His predictions are miss translated and lied about to make them sound better than they are. Because he is not 100% accurate he is an ant-Christ.

Nostradamus

Nostradamus--Prophet or Pretender? : ChristianCourier.com

[dave-o]

Deuteronomy 13:1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, ² and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ ³ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. ⁴ You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.

A few things about Nostradamus: 1)Yes, it does appear as though he sometimes took Biblical prophecies and put his own spin on them. 2) His prophecies were so vague that there is no definitive way to say whether any of them came true or not. 3) Since we can't know for certain if ANY of his prophesies ever came true then it is best to ignore them. 4) He never claimed his prophecies to be of divine origin (at least not that I've ever heard) so where did they come from? Again, if a prophecy DOESN'T come from God it's best to put no faith in it.

[WKUHilltopper]

I had an old Nostradamus book--circa late 60s. Found it sometime ago. But some of the "prophecies" that he had in circa late 1960s edition sure have "evolved" and changed compared to newer editions. Almost like they've been magically changed to better fit the circumstance.

I put zero stock or thought in Nostradamus.

[LivnForChrist]

Why bother with his Quatrains when you have mine

In the year that end with two 1s
there shall be found one who enquires after dark mysteries
only to be advised by ones of the light of Jesus Christ
to seek after God and His Word only....

seriously though only God can tell the future.

[A24AW]

Nostradamus "veiled" his prophecies too much for them to have any truth to them. I wouldn't worry too much about what he had written. In addition, the history channel doesn't always get it's history correct. All the answers to life are found in the bible. Let that be your guide.

[KissimmeeBeliever]

I remember the early days of the History Channel when they would do the shows on The Bible and it's history. They were wonderful shows. Now everytime I turn that station on there are shows on that Kook (Nostradamus), his son, Edward Cayce, and who else they can drum up to try and show that man has some type of supernatural power. It's really sad actually.

[brethorn56]

I would put him in the same category as the Hopi prophecy, Mayan Calendar prophecy, etc. Here is a pretty good crackpot list:

2012 Predictions

I do however believe in the inspired word of God that is recorded in the Bible. I do not believe for one minute the earth is going to end in 2012, however I do think the world is going to change in an instant, 16) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17) Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18) Therefore comfort one another with these words.

But, no, the world will not end (IMO)………

[WKUHilltopper]

In addition, the history channel doesn't always get it's history correct.

History Channel? What is this history channel you speak about? Oh, you mean the UFO Channel...gotcha.

[YeuEmMaiMai]

They have been airing this special for a few years now.....it's all hog wash

[dave-o]

[...]In addition, the history channel doesn't always get it's history correct. [...]

It's worse than that. They take facts mixed with pure speculation presented as facts and then use a narrator with a very authoritative voice to convince the viewer that it's all true. I believe the definition of this technique is called propaganda.

[mattfivefour]

It's worse than that. They take facts mixed with pure speculation presented as facts and then use a narrator with a very authoritative voice to convince the viewer that it's all true. I believe the definition of this technique is called propaganda.

Yes, exactly what CNN did last night with its doc on the first Christians and the start of Christianity. They interviewed disbelieving Christian "leaders" who cast doubt on the reliability of the gospel accounts and the writer continually supported his/her speculations and imaginations with the words "scholars believe" and "scholars say", without once telling us who these "scholars" are. One of the principle interviewees was Bart Ehrman of the apostate "Jesus Seminar" who very cleverly sounded like he was supporting the Bible while subtly tearing it apart. The outright lies and distortions were more than I could stomach and I finally turned it off. What a load of codswallop masquerading as "truth"!

[livin_in_the_Son]

Yes, exactly what CNN did last night with its doc on the first Christians and the start of Christianity. They interviewed disbelieving Christian "leaders" who cast doubt on the reliability of the gospel accounts and the writer continually supported his/her speculations and imaginations with the words "scholars believe" and "scholars say", without once telling us who these "scholars" are. One of the principle interviewees was Bart Ehrman of the apostate "Jesus Seminar" who very cleverly sounded like he was supporting the Bible while subtly tearing it apart. The outright lies and distortions were more than I could stomach and I finally turned it off. What a load of codswallop masquerading as "truth"!

Codswallop? Really?! That made my morning! (Of course getting woken up at 5:30am by 4 anxious little ones didn't put me into a festive mood.)

[MikeD]

Codswallop???? Sounds like something "Rooster Cogburn" would come up with

[RonJohnSilver]

'Propaganda' is one word for it. Another phrase is '..lack of discernment.'

Note that rarely will you see a solid Christian speaker in other than a minimal, token role. In the media's view, it works to have someone with the moniker of Christian rather than someone who actually knows and believes the Bible. The general public won't know the difference and most won't care enough to search further than the next channel.

[mattfivefour]

Ron, as a documentary insider I can tell you that the problem is most people in the industry have absolutely no knowledge of the Bible. Thus they look to people who are the self-proclaimed experts ... the religious leaders of universities and religious organizations. And for of their learning most of those people are as lost as the media.

[dave-o]

Ron, as a documentary insider I can tell you that the problem is most people in the industry have absolutely no knowledge of the Bible. Thus they look to people who are the self-proclaimed experts ... the religious leaders of universities and religious organizations. And for of their learning most of those people are as lost as the media.

Unfortunately people put a lot of trust in those with some letters after their name or made money selling books.