Return of the Nephilim

[YeuEmMaiMai]

Strange things and strange speculations not apparent in scripture, we do know that God sends a strong delusion upon people left behind and satan (and man) will provide false explanations for the rapture but we cannot know for sure what those details will be until they actually happen; what is important is showing others that true salvation can only be through trusting Jesus and not religious works; speculations on left behind events are not as important; it makes for fun science fiction/fantasy reading but there is no spiritual value to it. It's not spiritually edifying.
I never said Cain was born a giant, I said God placed a mark on Cain after he killed Abel.
Larger as a result
No direct scriptural proof to that, sons of God can mean those of faith, they were mixing with the lost (pagans) and we do know scripture definitely teaches not to unequally yoke with unbelievers.

Not sure how predestination got in here, that can close a thread down. God did not pre-program some to get saved and ignore others, God offers salvation to all and gives everyone the opportunity through His faith (His word)

Just a question regarding the delusion that God sends upon man during the end times...This does does affect everyone does it? I mean after all God states that there will be people who come to know the Lord during this time and that there numbers are many....

[BuzzardHut]

Just a question regarding the delusion that God sends upon man during the end times...This does does affect everyone does it? I mean after all God states that there will be people who come to know the Lord during this time and that there numbers are many....

After the rapture there will be a strong delusion that the antichrist is the messiah; we have already seen glimpses of this in people wanting to worship Obama and believed he was the messiah until they watched him fail at everything he touches, but another messiah is coming; greater than him, and the people who reject Jesus and want another messiah will receive the strong delusion and the antichrist.

And there are those, the tribulation saints, who may be young or just pew warmers and fence riders today but will be awakened out of complacency at the rapture and turn to God when realizing the end times they have found themselves in.

Life will be hard for them though they have their eternal salvation secured.

Christ Himself stated that it would be like the days of Noe in the end and I believe Him

And you are correct, what did Jesus say happens in the days of Noah? Matthew 24:38

In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat.

And what do we see today? Rapture parties, Hollywood parties, Occupy parties, etc... people living life in any which way, disregarding their need to rectify their sins and the pursuit of pleasure and hero worship

Everyone will worship the creation (Romans 1:25). If you are not worshiping the Creator, you are worshiping some form of creation whether that is your imagined divine self (Progressives), materialistic idols...money, house, job, social status, etc; ecologists / tree huggers / radical environmentalists, Leftists political systems; Eastern mysticism; Native mysticism, etc. It seems very reductionistic at first, but it squares with reality.... all of them end up at their conclusion worshiping Satan...The Prince of this World or prince of creation?

Creation worship = neo-paganism and Hero Worship = worship of the antichrist.

[SonSeeker]

Genesis 6:4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, and also afterward,[...]

Does anyone know if there have been instances of archaeologists discovering evidence of the Nephilim? Of course, they wouldn't call them that. They would probably think they had discovered a large Ape or something.

It's so gratifying when "science" confirms Biblical fact, such as an earthquake at about the time of the parting of the Red Sea.

[dave-o]

The post-flood giants were referred to as the sons of Anak and collectively called the Anakim so there were apparently many. When the Israelites found them in Canaan they knew exactly who they were so apparently the Anakim were well known even in Egypt. Numbers 13:33

Anak was the son of Arba, (Joshua 21:11) whoever he was. His ancient city/territory was called Kirjath Arba which is Hebron. Kirjatharba can be translated as "city of the four (giants)" That area is where Sarah died (Genesis 23:2)

There were also the Emim who were regarded as giants and they were numerous. (Deuteronomy 2:10, 2:11)

God had a very good reason for destroying the inhabitants of Canaan. Deuteronomy 9:4^b but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is driving them out from before you.

[mattfivefour]

Does anyone know if there have been instances of archaeologists discovering evidence of the Nephilim? Of course, they wouldn't call them that. They would probably think they had discovered a large Ape or something.

It's so gratifying when "science" confirms Biblical fact, such as an earthquake at about the time of the parting of the Red Sea.

The largest human ever measured (both living and skeletal) was 8 feet 11 inches. No skeletal remains larger than this have ever been discovered. There have been reports of 25 foot and 36 foot skeletons being uncovered in Saudi Arabia and India where they were used as "proof" of the Qu'ran and of Buddhist scriptures. These cases have been investigated and proven to be unsophisticated hoaxes. Physiologically, the human skeleton has limits to its potential size. The weight of a human being over 10 or 12 feet tall would cripple them since the human spine, even were it grown to such proportion, would be incapable of supporting such mass. In fact most human beings who display true gigantism are crippled by it. I once saw, entering one of our local supermarkets, a man in his 20's who was over 8 feet tall. (The door height was approx 8' and he had to duck to walk through it.) It was sad because he was bent over and had to use a cane to walk, which apparently is common for those who surpass 8 feet.

[brianbinsc]

Many theologians trace Goliath as a descendant of Cain, nephilim are not all over scripture and not a proven race of creatures clarified in scripture, we do know of fallen angels because scripture directly identifies them. a quick google search of nephilim pulls up a terrible mess of watchers, pyramids, witchcraft, etc..

Buzz, I have a few questions. Honestly, this is one subject that once I think I have nailed down.....well anyway, I will try to be brief!

Genesis 6:9 states that Noah was perfect in his generations. Is this verse saying this because Noah was of the lineage of Seth, or is that more descriptive of the righteousness exhibited by him in his generation? I reject that it means he was not tainted by the Nephilim as some say.

Would saying that Goliath is a descendant of Cain be to say that the lineage was passed through one of Noah's daughter-in-laws?

If (sorry I dont think its possible either) man could arrange cells with DNA to "create" life..1) "Create" would be a misnomer because they are doing it with existing information, 2) Only GOD can breathe life into existence, therefore, anything else would be demonic, entered into by demons. Does Jude 1:6 elude to something similar, or is it talking about GOD'S ordained place for them to rule, and Heaven as their habitation?

I hesitate posting in this thread because while it is really interesting, I think it can become overwhelmingly speculative. Praise the LORD for HIS Wisdom and Will!

[mattfivefour]

I hesitate posting in this thread because while it is really interesting, I think it can become overwhelmingly speculative.

[SonSeeker]

The largest human ever measured (both living and skeletal) was 8 feet 11 inches. No skeletal remains larger than this have ever been discovered. There have been reports of 25 foot and 36 foot skeletons being uncovered in Saudi Arabia and India where they were used as "proof" of the Qu'ran and of Buddhist scriptures. These cases have been investigated and proven to be unsophisticated hoaxes. Physiologically, the human skeleton has limits to its potential size. The weight of a human being over 10 or 12 feet tall would cripple them since the human spine, even were it grown to such proportion, would be incapable of supporting such mass. In fact most human beings who display true gigantism are crippled by it. I once saw, entering one of our local supermarkets, a man in his 20's who was over 8 feet tall. (The door height was approx 8' and he had to duck to walk through it.) It was sad because he was bent over and had to use a cane to walk, which apparently is common for those who surpass 8 feet.

Excellent point, Adrian. The physiological aspect of the limits of the human skeleton is something we haven't discussed, and it does seem that 10 or 12 ' is probably a maximum. I remember reading of someone who was 8' 8" tall and he also walked with a cane or possibly 2 canes. I understand also that those reaching these heights do not have a very long life expectancy.

[Sean Osborne]

I hesitate posting in this thread because while it is really interesting, I think it can become overwhelmingly speculative.

Indeed, especially when some one decides to veer away from what is told to us in The Word about this subject.

However, one thing that is not speculative is that the Nephilim were not human beings. The Nephilim were a hybrid race conceived from fallen angels and human females. This is a subject of procreation which is treated distinctly in the Word apart from the procreation of human beings. Jude 1:6 provides Christian New Testament context to The Word as received in Genesis 6.

[josephearl]

I am curious why you reject this hypothesis,

Genesis 6:9 states that Noah was perfect in his generations. Is this verse saying this because Noah was of the lineage of Seth, or is that more descriptive of the righteousness exhibited by him in his generation? I reject that it means he was not tainted by the Nephilim as some say.

I can see no reason to assume that Seth was somehow more perfect then Noah and the Bible does teach that none are righteous apart from Christ Jesus. This would tend to place Noah above Seth since he is the main charcter inregards to faith in the scriptures speaking of these 2 persons. It seems to me that the only logical conclusion is indeed the one that says Noah and his familys gene pool was uncorrupted from the seed of satan. An obvious ploy of satan would be to corrupt the gene pool needed in order for Messiah Jesus to come forth as the spotless Lamb of God. Another explanation may be out there but the 2 you have suggested do not fit the Scripture in my mind right now.

[Robert]

"Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:5-7, NASB, emphasis mine)

The emphasis here is that Sodom and Gomorrah engaged in sexual immorality, as the cities around them did as well. And as the angels were kept for judgment, so too were Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Minnow Frenzy]

I am curious why you reject this hypothesis,
I can see no reason to assume that Seth was somehow more perfect then Noah and the Bible does teach that none are righteous apart from Christ Jesus. This would tend to place Noah above Seth since he is the main charcter inregards to faith in the scriptures speaking of these 2 persons. It seems to me that the only logical conclusion is indeed the one that says Noah and his familys gene pool was uncorrupted from the seed of satan. An obvious ploy of satan would be to corrupt the gene pool needed in order for Messiah Jesus to come forth as the spotless Lamb of God. Another explanation may be out there but the 2 you have suggested do not fit the Scripture in my mind right now.

It's becoming hard for me to discern the possible meanings. Perfect to me means Jesus Christ. Another person Ive talked to prefers that perfect, in Noah's regard, means "his love for God." I'm in the boat that Noah wasn't tainted genetically. It's the only reason to me that he would be considered perfect, biblically speaking.

Here are some verses that are claimed to describe a corrupted image/ genetic tampering by Douglas Hamp (who happens to be a 'green apple' prophecy lecturer.) Douglas HampVerses Used in Corrupting the Image - Douglas Hamp

I feel if the nephilim exist/ return then they will play a strong part in the end time deception. There has been just WAY too much alien/ufo priming in today's media, gov't, and religious leaders (the pope himself!) for this to be for nothing. Everywhere I look!

[mattfivefour]

The word translated "perfect" in Genesis 6:9 is the Hebrew תָּמִים (tamim, pronounced taw-MEEM). It does not mean perfect in the sense that the person is godlike in perfection. It simply means morally upright, morally blameless. In other words, Noah lived according to God's law. The very same thing is said of Job. So both of these men were morallu upright, morally blameless in the sight of man. And of God. Now does that mean they had no taint of unrighteousness in their genes? Not at all. Hebrews 11, tells us wherein their righteousness lay: in faith in the coming Messiah. In that chapter the Holy Spirit reveals to us that it was by faith that they were considered righteous. That is where their righteousness lay. Just like us. There is nothing in any verse regarding Seth, Noah, Job, or anybody else in the Bible—outside of Christ—that was untouched by original sin. Nobody.

[brianbinsc]

I am curious why you reject this hypothesis,
I can see no reason to assume that Seth was somehow more perfect then Noah and the Bible does teach that none are righteous apart from Christ Jesus. This would tend to place Noah above Seth since he is the main charcter inregards to faith in the scriptures speaking of these 2 persons. It seems to me that the only logical conclusion is indeed the one that says Noah and his familys gene pool was uncorrupted from the seed of satan. An obvious ploy of satan would be to corrupt the gene pool needed in order for Messiah Jesus to come forth as the spotless Lamb of God. Another explanation may be out there but the 2 you have suggested do not fit the Scripture in my mind right now.

That seems reasonable, but I reject it because if Noah's family was the only one uncorrupted by the Nephilim, the emphasis of the text, I believe, would be on who all flesh had become, rather than what all flesh was doing (acting in curruption and wickedness). Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD in stark contrast to Genesis 6:5. And HIS grace is still undeserved.

I think the statement in Genesis 6:2,4 is stressing the times in which Noah lived, indicating the wickedness of the times and just how immoral people have become. In other words, I do not reject that men and angels created the nephilim, that was what they denegrated to, I am just not sure that that is why Noah was "perfect in his generations" for the above reasons. Sorry, this is one subject that I admittedly have not nailed down, not sure how it all fits together. I sure do not want to create any more confusion for others!

GOD Bless