I believe the "pope" is the false prophet

[divinelady]

Hello All,

I have arrived at the conclusion that the "pope" is the false prophet. It is too much going on with the vatican city and the pope to mention, but here is why I believe this.

The pope has all followers calling him father when in the bible it states that there is only one Father,
People kisses his ring as if they idolize this man.
He accepts all religions as being one great religion that leads to honoring God.
He prays and asks for answers from the dead and deceased.
He has idolizes the former pope as a Saint.
He allowed a statue of bronze to be a symbol of worship.
He has muslim symbols on his robe and seat.
There are times when I see the cross upside down.
They magnify mary as if she is the one to praise.

I believe that the pope will be the one whoever the pope shall be at the time to edify the dragon who is the antichrist in worship and making sure that all the millions that follow him will follow the anitchrist when time comes.

Remain watchful everyone.....

Please comment, I would love to read what you all think.

[jodee]

I am not too worried about who the Anti-Christ is or will be, I just try to stay focused on God and who He is. And whoever "trusts in the Lord shall be safe". Proverbs 29:25

What I do believe is important is discernment in these times, if something doesn't line up with the Word, I would say stay away. If one stays close to God and His Word, he/she has nothing to worry about:)

[divinelady]

True, and I am not worried about the antichrist and I do discern the bible and the prophecy at hand......But just thought I would add something in regards to the "false prophet" only......

I still think the "pope" is the false prophet he carries all the characteristics of what the bible talks about

[king'sbloomingrose]

We really don't know who the FP and the AC are. The Bible has not said who they will be. All we know is that God will reveal them when the time comes. Personally, I don't think that the pope will be the FP. I think it'll be someone that can do the kinds of miracles or at least fake them that Jesus could and thereby deceive many into believing him and the Beast.

[divinelady]

Well said.......even though there aren't any magic trick currently I still feel the catholic church pope is the false prophet.....until the falling away of the Holy Spirit happens those magic tricks won't be activated until then...just like the antichrist will not be revealed until the rapture...I feel everything will commence in full force at that point....but I can see the multitudes of people following the pope....he has led many and doesn't the devil masquerades as the angel of light? So this could be a way to have people grouped and focus on this particular church and then when the stuff hit the fan....surprise the fp is leading them to the ac...

[Chris]

I think it's quite possible that the FP could turn out to be a pope. Which one, I don't know. But it's a little early to tell at this point and we will be in Heaven with Jesus in the rapture before the AC and the FP are revealed. My opinion is that we will have to watch from the balcony seats.

[divinelady]

Yes....I hope we are in view of what is happening during that time........please! I wonder if we would care about the loved ones being persecuted or will we not have the knowledge of them...so many wonders??????????

[DanLW]

Think about this... It is is satan who empowers the false prophet, and the beast, and satan doesn't know for certain when the end times will occur. The rapture, and the removal of the Restrainer, will be when satan can bring these people to power. So I believe that all throughout history, there have been people in existance whom satan has prepared for these roles. They just never became empowered because the Restrainer was still restraining.

Think about it... Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Ahmadinejad... all through history there has been some big name evil dude stirring the pot. But all without any supernatural power... until the Restrainer stops restraining.

So the pope? Probably a good candidate.

Is there value in speculating? The knee-jerk answer is no, but I would say maybe. It won't matter to us, but it may well matter if the rapture happens in the next 5 minutes, and those left behind start hitting this site looking for answers. At the very least, it might help somebody know what to look out for.

[Chris]

Think about this... It is is satan who empowers the false prophet, and the beast, and satan doesn't know for certain when the end times will occur. The rapture, and the removal of the Restrainer, will be when satan can bring these people to power. So I believe that all throughout history, there have been people in existance whom satan has prepared for these roles. They just never became empowered because the Restrainer was still restraining.

Think about it... Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Ahmadinejad... all through history there has been some big name evil dude stirring the pot. But all without any supernatural power... until the Restrainer stops restraining.

So the pope? Probably a good candidate.

Is there value in speculating? The knee-jerk answer is no, but I would say maybe. It won't matter to us, but it may well matter if the rapture happens in the next 5 minutes, and those left behind start hitting this site looking for answers. At the very least, it might help somebody know what to look out for.

Good points. We'll probably just have to end up watching from the balcony seats in Heaven. Hopefully people will find RF after the rapture and read the information here. All we can do is spread the Gospel and pray for those who need it.

[YeuEmMaiMai]

I would also agree that the person occupying the position of pope when the Antichrist is on the scene could be the False Prohpet and this is why:

The catholic church has always claimed that the "pope" has a direct connection to God and they even go as far as to claim he is the Vicar (substitute) for Christ. When the Antichrist shows up, I have no doubt that the False Prophet (pope) will also declare his "master" is God once the Abomination of Desolation act has been committed by the Antichrist.

Best way to deceive people is to offer a copy of Christianity and catholicism is by far the best way to do it.........

[Hannah]

2TH 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

2TH 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

2TH 2:13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

2TH 2:16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.

The false prophet (as in the one who serves the Anti-Christ) comes along to exercise the authority of the Anti-Christ when he appears. Until then it is all speculation who is this "false prophet" sidekick to the Anti-Christ will be.

As Dan said we are all going to be in Heaven with Jesus before the Anti-Christ can be revealed. So we will miss finding out who the Anti-Christ will be and his sidekick.

Jesus tells us there will be many false prophets.

MT 24:9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

In the book of 1 John we are told many false prophets were already in the world. These men teach against Christ.

1JN 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

There are many false prophets who have already been in this world and are currently here in this world with the Spirit of the Anti-Christ.

So from your list of observations can you then look at the verses in 1 John and possibly say that the Pope is simply a false prophet with the anti-christ spirit?

[jodee]

I did say I don't really worry about it, though sometimes I wonder who it could be and if he is here..etc. Though, I try not to think about it too much just cause, well..haha, kinda freaks me out a bit for some reason..Idk cause maybe it's the AC? All I can say is thank the Good Lord for His Word and Truth that we may not be deceived in these times. And yes, with everything going on right now, it's important to be watchful and focused Truth of the Word..so we may not be deceived. If it doesn't line up with the Word..there's something not right about it and we ought to stay away. It's so nice that He is our Refuge and Strong Tower! Especially in these times where it feels like the storm is raging out there in the world. :).

I am new here too:).

[divinelady]

Thank you for that response....this is where I was going with it......it makes perfect sense that the pope would be the one to support the ac..... just want people to keep their eyes open. A lot of people look up to him and he acts as if he is Christ.....

I would also agree that the person occupying the position of pope when the Antichrist is on the scene could be the False Prohpet and this is why:

The catholic church has always claimed that the "pope" has a direct connection to God and they even go as far as to claim he is the Vicar (substitute) for Christ. When the Antichrist shows up, I have no doubt that the False Prophet (pope) will also declare his "master" is God once the Abomination of Desolation act has been committed by the Antichrist.

Best way to deceive people is to offer a copy of Christianity and catholicism is by far the best way to do it.........

[Hannah]

Thank you for that response....this is where I was going with it......it makes perfect sense that the pope would be the one to support the ac..... just want people to keep their eyes open. A lot of people look up to him and he acts as if he is Christ.....

If this is what you wanted to say then why didn't you say so in the first place?

[Jen]

There is no way for us to know for sure, but I have thought the same about the pope.

[dave-o]

Lately the Pope has been embracing ecumenism which could very likely lead to the transformation of the office of Pope into the leader of a one-world religion in the future.

The vast majority of people on planet Earth are 'spiritual' and/or 'religious' in one way or another. After the Harpazo there will be a tremendous need for leadership that speaks comfort and reassurance to any and all belief systems, so yes, the office of Pope is an excellent candidate.

**However**... despite the many mistakes of the RCC they DO still confess with their mouths that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him from the dead. After the Harpazo the RCC might be left with very few members and the office of Pope vacant. Let's not be too judgmental of him/them.

[divinelady]

You are right Dave-o about being too judgmental.....I respect your comment....but to Dave-o....do you think everyone confessing Lord Lord will be found worthy? Because even though they confess they are still guided by this false religion (so to speak) and God is a jealous God...plus the Catholics pray to Mary like she is Jesus.

[Hannah]

You are right Dave-o about being too judgmental.....I respect your comment....but to Dave-o....do you think everyone confessing Lord Lord will be found worthy? Because even though they confess they are still guided by this false religion (so to speak) and God is a jealous God...plus the Catholics pray to Mary like she is Jesus.

No one knows the heart of another person. No one can say who will be found acceptable to God in the end. We will be judged according to what we know. Do you think just because some people have been decieved to pray to Saints or observe certain rituals that they do not have a sincere heart for the Lord?

I come from an Eastern Orthodox background and I know there are many illiterate (older generation to myself who missed out due to WW2 on an education) that struggle with their faith because they mainly know only what the Priest has told them. Will they be held accountable for the Priests false teaching or will God look upon their hearts? Do you know the mind of God?

I get upset when people right off Catholics and Eastern Orthodox as going to Hell because they cannot stop some of the rituals or false teaching they have been almost brainwashed to believe. My family are a mix of both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and I can tell you that a number of them have certainly repented and their faith and hope of salvation is certainly based on what Jesus did for them but they have not been able like myself to let go of the Churches teaching and go elsewhere.

No one knows if a false teacher will get a epiphany and change their thinking and fall down on their face in repentance. It could even happen to a Pope (personally I think unlikely but I am not going to judge anyone's salvation). I would criticise their teaching and their obvious leading away from Jesus and that it is only through the Blood of Christ we are saved, but I would be careful to condemn all who follow Catholcism to damnation when I am not God and cannot see into the heart of another person and know wether they hold salvation or not (even if I could they can still be saved in the future and God does know the future I do not).

I get angry when I see anyone who sets themself up as a Teacher or Prophet denying Christ and not teaching the True gospel. I certainly would warn people against their teaching. As to anyone's eternal destination that is only for God to judge and to apply the sentence when the time it right. Leave these false shepherds to the Lord. Vengeance is mine says the Lord. It is God that false teachers and prophets directly offend and it is for God to repay them for what they have done.

HEB 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

We can wear ourselves out spiritually concerning ourselves with responsibilities that are not ours and this is one of them. Judgement of people (even those who appear completely without God in their lives) is God's job not ours. Leave it to God.

[DanLW]

**However**... despite the many mistakes of the RCC they DO still confess with their mouths that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him from the dead. After the Harpazo the RCC might be left with very few members and the office of Pope vacant. Let's not be too judgmental of him/them.

Very good point... I wouldn't want to be a Catholic because it is a very risky belief system to take up. A lot of people seem to want to err on the side of God's grace being really narrow, and the idea that if you don't correctly understand everything in the Bible, you aren't saved. I think this in itself could be a form of works... it's like instead of having to follow 600 some odd laws, you have to have a correct understanding of 600 some odd points to be "worthy" of salvation.

I agree that there are salvation issues, then there are important issues which aren't necessarily salvation issues. The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to pay for our sins is the number one issue, which Paul even goes so far as to say if it isn't true, there's no point for the church. Catholics do seem to believe this, although they also seem to nullify this act with other beliefs which they hold. And that's why I think their position is a very dangerous one.

Personally, I'm going to hope that God's salvation is bigger than we make it out to be. At the same time, I want to grow in understanding out of love for Him. But it could be just as easy for somebody to say they want to grow in understanding to make sure they're "in". Does that mean they're "out"? Proverbs says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. So back in. But one may argue that although there is fear and respect, there's not love. So back out. But Paul says that you have to confess and believe Christ and his resurrection. So back in. But some people say that "head knowledge" doesn't save, even if you believe it. So back out again... and we can go on and on. I'm glad I'll be judged by God and not by man.

Okay, enough of my stream of consciousness. Seems to usually get me in trouble anyway...

[divinelady]

Hannah,

Honestly, I don't have a clue who will enter into the Kingom and on this forum I am only speculating...My comment was to Dave-o I wasn't singling out catholics, but just wanted his insight on his response to mine.

In clarification, no I don't think all Catholics will burn nor do I fill all christians will burn too....I think their are many in each race, creed, color, and true woshipors of Christ that will be saved..

I only hope that this discussion board did not bring havoc to your heart.

I specified the role of the pope because even if you are not a catholic people still recognie him as being superior in faith and many pay attention to him and even honor what he says even though they aren't religious.

The entire point was....many follow is orientation as "great and Holy" and all I was saying that ( I think the "pope" whomever it will be during the time of uplifting the ac could possibly be the false prophet, because from what I been watching......the pope is far from Christ and leading maning astray...

That is all......

Please understand this isn't to bash what you believe or stand for, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions even you, and I will not discourage you from that..

Thanks for your comment please add to my discussions as you feel is needed.