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    The Kings Of The North And The South
    By Jack Kelley

    “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. (Daniel 11:36)

    “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.” (Daniel 11:40)

    Three separate kings are in view in Daniel 11:36 & 40 and their identities must be discovered to fully understand what will happen in the days leading up to the end. They are the King who exalts himself, King of the North, and the King of the South. All of Daniel 11:4-35 has been taken up with a discussion of various generations of the King of the North and the King of the South. The King who exalts himself is neither, and yet subdues them both. Let’s see if we can identify these three kings.

    First, the King who exalts himself. The angel told Daniel this king would exalt and magnify himself above every god. In 2 Thes. 2:4 Paul said the anti-Christ will exalt himself over everything that is called god or is worshiped. The angel also told Daniel he would say unheard of things against the God of gods. In Rev. 13:6 John said the anti- Christ will blaspheme God and slander His name. So it’s clear that the king who exalts himself is the anti-Christ.

    Now for the other two. The vision of Daniel 11 was given in 536BC and begins with an angel telling Daniel what would happen to the Persian Kingdom then in power. The angel told Daniel that after 3 more Persian Kings, a fourth one would arise, an especially rich and powerful king. This Persian King, who we know as Xerxes I, took as his queen the Jewish woman Hadassah, called Esther in the Persian language (Esther 2:16-17). He put together a mighty army and mounted an unsuccessful attempt to conquer Greece in 480BC. About 150 years later the tables would be turned and a King from Greece would conquer the Persian Empire. This prophecy was fulfilled by Alexander the Great.

    Then the angel said that Alexander’s Kingdom would be divided into four pieces according to the four winds of heaven, not going to his offspring. (After Alexander’s death his four generals divided up the Kingdom among them.) The next 30 verses are devoted to the families of two of the four, Seleucus, known in Daniel 11 as the first King of the North and Ptolemy, the first King of the South. 135 historically confirmed prophecies are contained in the first 35 verses of Daniel 11, most having to do with the descendants of these two men. The other two generals, Cassander and Lysimachus are not mentioned here, but in fact they both eventually lost their portions to Seleucus.

    So the first kings of the North and the South were Seleucus and Ptolemy. For territory Seleucus eventually got control of what we now know as Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of Turkey. Reigning for a time from Babylon in modern Iraq, he built a new capital city 20 miles to the south east on the Tigris river and named it Seleucia. Ptolemy took Libya, Egypt, the Sudan, Israel and Jordan, and chose Alexandria in Egypt as his capital.

    The descendants of these two kings fought each other for control of the known world for the next several hundred years. Then Daniel 11:33-35 brings us to the Macabean revolt when the last important King of the North, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, was defeated.

    History To Prophecy

    Although it was all in the future when the angel revealed the first 35 verses to Daniel, it’s all history where we’re concerned. But beginning in Daniel 11:36 we fast forward to the time of the end when modern versions of these two kings will go after the anti-Christ. What would make them do that?

    Evidence continues to indicate that the dominating End times religion will be Islam. The goal of Islam is to bring about a single Islamic World Empire, or Caliphate, and there’s fierce competition among leaders in the Middle East to see who can make this happen.

    I believe the current unrest in the Islamic Middle East will soon result in the re-emergence of these two ancient powers in a final contest for leadership of the Islamic world. Turkey and Iran are both part of the territory once identified with the King of the North, and are obvious contenders for that title. They will both be involved in the battle of Ezekiel 38, but since Daniel 11 follows Ezekiel 38 in time, this tells us their defeat on the mountains of Israel won’t put them out of contention.

    Ezekiel’s phrase “ send down fire” (Ezekiel 39:6), which many believe to be a reference to nuclear warfare, is directed at Magog (Russia), the distant coastlines (somewhere beyond the Mediterranean) and the battlefield in Israel. No mention is made of any such destruction in Persia (Iran) or Turkey (Togarmah). Whatever forces they have in Israel will be decimated, but Iran and Turkey will both survive to fight another day.

    Egypt and Saudi Arabia will not participate in Ezekiel 38 but will likely join forces to form the new King of the South. Within the last few weeks, the Saudis have rebelled against US policy and embarked upon an independent course of action, promising to defend the Gulf States against Iranian meddling themselves. This was due partly as an expression of anger over the way the US helped oust Egypt’s Pres. Mubarak, a close friend of the Saudi King, and partly over their frustration with America’s lack of action against Iran. Saudi Arabia does not want Iran to emerge as the leader of the Islamic Middle East and is determined to make sure that doesn’t happen, even if it comes to war. So far they’ve backed up their promises by moving troops and weaponry into Bahrain, posing a direct threat to Iran.

    Things are currently so fluid in the Middle East it’s hard to know what’s going to happen next. For example, some western intelligence sources are saying it’s already too late to save the Assad regime in Syria, and that Hezbollah has begun moving its long-range missiles and other weaponry out of Syria into Lebanon for protective purposes. Also, it has been reported that Egypt will open its borders with Gaza to permit more freedom of movement for Hamas. The unity agreement Palestinian Pres. Abbas has just signed with Hamas in Egypt will provide another clue, since the Palestinian government is secular while Hamas is decidedly religious. It will be interesting to see who winds up with the real power. If secular governments continue to be pushed aside in favor of Islamic leadership, it could mean the Kings of the North and the South are returning.

    Then What Happens?

    When the anti-Christ first comes on the scene in the aftermath of the Battle of Ezekiel 38-39, he’ll look to the world like a great peacemaker. He’ll deceive people by distributing gifts of power and influence and will even confirm a treaty allowing Israel to build the third Temple and reinstate their worship of God there. As he gains public support he’ll start attacking countries who don’t fall into line. He’ll make his close followers into rulers, giving them conquered lands as a reward for their faithfulness (Daniel 11:39).

    At the time when he moves to consolidate his grasp on the Earth by going to Jerusalem, the King of the North and the King of the South will both try to stop him (Daniel 11:40). But he’ll bring them into submission and, after invading many other countries, he’ll arrive in Jerusalem and set up his headquarters there, where he’ll walk into the New Temple and claim to be God.

    Daniel 12:1, Matt. 24:15 and 2 Thes. 2:4 confirm that this will all happen right at the threshold of the Great Tribulation. And as Daniel said, the anti-Christ will be successful until the time of wrath is completed because this is the way God has determined it will happen (Daniel 11:36). No one will be able to stand against him (Rev. 13:4).

    But when his time has come to an end, he’ll be defeated. Where the Kings of the North and South will have failed, the King of Kings will be successful and at the end there will be no one to help him (Daniel 11:45).

    If this view is correct and the current unrest in the Islamic Middle East is leading to the re-appearance of the ancient Kings of the North and South, then the appearance of the anti-Christ cannot be far behind. And that’s another reason for us to believe that the days of the Church on Earth are truly numbered. You can almost hear the Footsteps of the Messiah. 05-07-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Evidence continues to indicate that the dominating End times religion will be Islam. The goal of Islam is to bring about a single Islamic World Empire, or Caliphate, and there’s fierce competition among leaders in the Middle East to see who can make this happen.
    I disagree with this statement. After Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 are fulfilled, I don't think that Islam will be anywhere near as powerful as it is today. That doesn't mean that the kings (countries) won't unite. I think that they'll just drop the pretext of Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by readytogo View Post
    I disagree with this statement. After Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 are fulfilled, I don't think that Islam will be anywhere near as powerful as it is today. That doesn't mean that the kings (countries) won't unite. I think that they'll just drop the pretext of Islam.
    The AC will have to fight someone, most will be drawn in by his influence and lies and won't be a problem,
    they may not be powerful, but what power and influence they may have after the 2 prophecies are fulfilled they will fight to keep it and lose.

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    Briefly ....

    Daniel's visions of the rivalry between the two kingdoms, one north and one south of Israel, are represented in the image by the two bronze thighs [Daniel 2:32; 11:3-35]

    Syrio/Babylonia in the north and Egypt in the south were these two rival kingdoms

    Chapter 11 begins with the breaking of Alexander's holdings in the Middle East .... the two above are the ones recorded in the scope of the visions [Daniel 11:3-35]

    We can know from the historical records that Daniel's projections were 100% accurate regarding the interaction between these two rivals up to and including the reign of Antiochus IV [Daniel 11:21-35]

    The vision then jumps to the time of the end in 11:36 and these same two rival kingdoms, one north and one south of Israel, will appear again as the two iron legs of the image [Daniel 2:33; 11:36; 11:40]

    There are only two kings in view in Daniel 11:36-45 .... the king of the north, and the king of the south

    The king of the northern kingdom is the same little horn seen in Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]

    This same king is also seen in Jeremiah 30:8; Micah 5:5-6; 2Thessalonians 2:8-12

    He is the human component of Satan's contrivance intertwined with the first beast of Revelation [Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 13:13-18 [the first beast] 14:9-11; 16:10; 16:13; 17:8-14; 17:16; 19:19-20]

    This king is represented by the iron of the northern leg and in the feet of the image

    He will expand his smaller holdings [little horn] in the northern Middle East to incorporate all of the region, similar to the holdings of Alexander [from the Mediterranean to the borders of India] .... the same as that of the initial Syrio/Babylonian kingdom located to the north of Israel [Daniel 8:9; 11:36-45; 12:7]

    This expanded kingdom is the same viewed in Daniel 2:41-43; 7:7-8; 7:19-26; Revelation 13:1-4; 17:11-18]

    And it is the first beast of Revelation [in the little horn] who will do Satan's bidding on the earth at the time of the end

    It is this beast [a fallen angelic like Satan] who will be driven by Satan [Gog] in Ezekiel 38; 39;

    Satan is the one who will design his attack against a regathered remnant part of Israel at the time of the end [Ezekiel 38:17; Revelation 13:1-4]

    This vision has two parts:

    The invasion of Israel at the middle of the 70th week decreed [Daniel 9:26-27 [the other prince ... the beast]; Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-24; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

    And the resultant battle of Armageddon 42 months later ending Satan's grab for his kingdom on the earth [Revelation 12:12] .... both his beast and the human little horn and his followers will be destroyed by the Lord [Ezekiel 39; Daniel 11:45; 9:27 [the other prince and his followers]; Joel 2:20; 3:9-21; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 12:2-3; 14:3; 14:12-13; Revelation 14:14-17; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]
    2Peter
    1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts

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