Mark of the Beast?

[Hannah]

Tony,

It's your life.

Have a good one.

[DanLW]

This is speaking about the gentiles as well as the jews of God's people shall see salvation experientially...

Seeing as from the point of view of a Jew, the word "gentile" refers to anybody who is not a "Jew", that verse would encompass all people in a sense of every human being.

Matthew 28:19 begins with Jesus saying "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations..."

The word which is translated to "all" is the Greek word "pas", Strong's number G3956. The definition of "pas" is "each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything"

The call for repentance goes out to everybody. We care called to proclaim his word to everybody. I am curious how you determine who is and who is not worthy to hear the gospel. Seriously, whenever somebody talks to you about God, to you flip a coin, and if it's heads, you share the gospel, if it's tails you tell them they are not chosen, are going to hell, and have a nice day? How do you judge who is and who is not eligible for salvation?

If your answer is that you don't judge, but share the gospel with everybody, then what is the point of proclaiming limited atonement?

[anthony57]

dan:

that verse would encompass all people in a sense of every human being.

No it does not, thats your opinion, not scripture.

[mattfivefour]

dan:



No it does not, thats your opinion, not scripture.

No, my friend, that is exactly what scripture teaches. Not opinion. Fact.

We have borne long with this topic for the purpose of revealing scripture on it. But we have reached our end. Before closing this thread, however, I would very much like to hear your answer to the question which Dan posed. He wrote: " I am curious how you determine who is and who is not worthy to hear the gospel .... How do you judge who is and who is not eligible for salvation? If your answer is that you don't judge, but share the gospel with everybody, then what is the point of proclaiming limited atonement?

Matt

[Robert]

No, my friend, that is exactly what scripture teaches. Not opinion. Fact.

We have borne long with this topic for the purpose of revealing scripture on it. But we have reached our end. Before closing this thread, however, I would very much like to hear your answer to the question which Dan posed. He wrote: " I am curious how you determine who is and who is not worthy to hear the gospel .... How do you judge who is and who is not eligible for salvation? If your answer is that you don't judge, but share the gospel with everybody, then what is the point of proclaiming limited atonement?

Matt

[anthony57]

matti:

No, my friend, that is exactly what scripture teaches.

No it does not , its your opinion, and it can stick because you are a moderator here..

[GlennO]

2Ti 3:16-17
(16) All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
(17) that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Amen

[Chris]

dan:



No it does not, thats your opinion, not scripture.

Anthony57,

Yes it does, that's your opinion, not scripture.

[GlennO]

Matt said:

We have borne long with this topic for the purpose of revealing scripture on it. But we have reached our end.

Promise?

[paul&katie]

Please also answer:

1. Do you believe that Ellen G. White is a Prophet?

2. Are you a member of the 7th day Adventist cult?

[king'sbloomingrose]

matti:



No it does not , its your opinion, and it can stick because you are a moderator here..

Anthony, we have posted plenty of Bible verses that contradict your view point but you don't talk about them. Why? If God's word is 100% His Word and it says something against your view point, with all respect, brother, don't you think that something just might be wrong? Please take the time to examine the scriptures provided with an open mind and ask God to show you what the Bible teaches. He will surely give to those that seek from Him wisdom. I don't really know how everything works myself nor how God works, but this I know, that God has given the answers to every doctrinal problem right there in His word.

[anthony57]

chris:

Anthony57,

Yes it does,

No it does not..Thats your opinion, you may be an administrator here but you not God..

[anthony57]

king:

Anthony, we have posted plenty of Bible verses that contradict your view

What you have done is quoted bible verses and then gave your opinion of them..

[readytogo]

chris:



No it does not..Thats your opinion, you may be an administrator here but you not God..

You're not God either!

[readytogo]

king:



What you have done is quoted bible verses and then gave your opinion of them..

This is what you have done, my friend!

[Chris]

You're not God either!

Very true. Anthony needs to come down off his high horse and do better at discussing the topics than resorting "I'm right you all are wrong!!" type of discussion method.

[Chris]

This is what you have done, my friend!

Forgive him, he knows not what he does.

[mattfivefour]

Anthony has refused to answer the simple question posed first by DanLW and then by myself. It is not a hard question. It simply asks what is the point of proclaiming limited atonement here. I know Anthony has seen the question because he has posted answers that respond directly to something else in that very post. The Bible says very clearly, "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject." (Titus 3:10 KJV) The NLT makes it more clear: "If people are causing divisions among you, give a first and second warning. After that, have nothing more to do with them." In its widest sense, the Greek αἱρετικὸν (hairetikon) word translated "heretick" does not necessarily mean someone who holds to doctrinal error. It means someone who is factious, who causes (or attempts to cause) divisions. According to Greek scholar and bible teacher Dr. Ralph Earle, That is the sense in which Plato used it. However by the time of the new testament it was used to express doctrine and also refer to a school that held to a particular doctrine. Josephus uses it for the three hairesis (αἵρεσις)— Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes. Earle also points out that "in Rabbinic Judaism the term was used for groups that were opposed to the rabbis and so were 'stigmatized as 'heretical'."

thus a correct rendering of the Greek here—αἱρετικὸν ἄνθρωπον μετὰ μίαν καὶ δευτέραν νουθεσίαν παραιτοῦ,— would be:

αἱρετικὸν (the factious or divisive) ἄνθρωπον (man) μετὰ (after) μίαν (the first) καὶ (and) δευτέραν (the second) νουθεσίαν (warning or admonition) παραιτοῦ (shun or avoid).

Romans 16 17 says: "Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them."

Finally Jesus taught: "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." (Matthew 18: 15-17)

We have done that with our brother anthony57. We desired to have him come into fellowship with us. When he posted what we know scripture points to as error we attempted to reason with him. We searched the scriptures and asked him to do the same. Finally we posed a simple question: What is the purpose and the result of your teaching? He did not answer, but continued to say "You are wrong; I am right." It is one thing to debate doctrine with an open mind. It is another to be argumentative, factious, and divisive. Sadly then, but in accordance with scripture, we turn from Anthony at this time. If he chooses to rejoin us, that will be his decision; but will require the authorization of the board administrator.