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    A Close Look at Daniel 9:26, 27: Antichrist's Reign of Terror

    I have read this passage several times. Alway learn something.

    KEIL’S VERSION OF DANIEL 9:26, 27

    Keil’s resultant version of the message of Gabriel to Daniel in 9:26, 27 is as follows:

    “The city, together with the sanctuary, shall be destroyed by the people of the prince who shall come, who shall find his end in the flood; but war shall continue to the end, since destruction is irrevocably decreed. That prince shall force a strong covenant for one week on the mass of the people, and during half a week he shall take away the service of sacrifice, and borne on the wings of idol abominations [cp. Ps. 18:10, where the true God is also borne on wings] shall carry on a desolating rule, till the firmly decreed judgment shall pour itself upon him as one desolated” (Comm. p. 373).

    One point that stuck me is "find his end in the flood;"

    Could someone please enlighen me on this scripture?

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    Default Re: Close Look at Daniel 9:26-27

    This is from the link you provided.

    Keil maintains that preconceived ideas about a historical fulfillment of the destruction of the evil prince have influenced some translators. They have not wished to render the text “his end shall come in the flood,” because Titus, to whom they thought this ought to refer, did not come to his end in AD 70. However, grammatically and naturally the suffix “his” on the word “end” refers back to its nearest masculine antecedent, the evil prince. The word order of the Hebrew appears as follows: “The city and sanctuary will be destroyed by the people of the prince who is to come; and his end will come in the flood.” Keil concludes after surveying all the evidence that “there remains nothing else than to apply the suffix to the evil prince” — his end will come with the flood. The evil leader will perish at the end of a military campaign. He will be destroyed by the flood (the Hebrew has the definite article). Now Jesus spoke of the judgment at his Second Coming as a deluge parallel to the cataclysm brought on the world in Noah’s day (Matt. 24:39).


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    Default Re: Close Look at Daniel 9:26-27

    I've never heard of Keil's version. Please, lets start with a proven reliable translation:

    Daniel 9:26-27 NASB
    26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. 27“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
    IMO. "a flood" doesn't necessarily imply water. In context, it sounds more like a flood of violence. Maybe Matt or Robert will see this differently...
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    Possible it could mean he is destroyed when the great earthquake happens when jesus sets foot on mt olives and the mountain is ripped and the underground lake is spewed out flooding jerusalem/ temple and healing part of the dead sea? Thats one scenerio i can see.

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    oops
    Last edited by GlennO; April-7th-2011 at 09:00 PM.
    Consider the words of Omar M. Ahmad, founder of CAIR: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant." ... "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennO View Post
    <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=vodCAAAAIAAJ&ots=uiFbQOqLqm&dq=a%20short% 20commentary%20on%20book%20of%20daniel%20bevan&pg= PA161&ci=115%2C847%2C705%2C191&source=bookclip"><i mg src="http://books.google.com/books?id=vodCAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA161&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en& sig=ACfU3U3bFuxLTbLc13dbc7Ys9kZOXf7Syw&ci=115%2C84 7%2C705%2C191&edge=0"/></a>
    Um Glenn, link didn't take...
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    26 And in the end of the times after the sixty and two weeks an Anointed One shall be cut off and shall have no and the city and the sanctuary shall go to ruin together with the Prince that shall come after him and his end shall be in a flood (of destruction) and until the end shall be war a sentence of desolations.

    From a short (240 pg) Commentary on Daniel for students by A.A.Bevan (sourced from the supplied within the link Kenny supplied)

    This agrees with sense I have held without otherwise parsing it. No warranty expressed or implied.
    Consider the words of Omar M. Ahmad, founder of CAIR: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant." ... "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

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    Thanks all for your help.. Sometimes scipture just pops out at ya...
    didn't get this before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg View Post
    I've never heard of Keil's version. Please, lets start with a proven reliable translation:

    Daniel 9:26-27 NASB


    IMO. "a flood" doesn't necessarily imply water. In context, it sounds more like a flood of violence. Maybe Matt or Robert will see this differently...

    Let's take a look at other places in scripture where a flood is not a flood:

    "You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew." (Ps 90:5 NASB, emphasis mine)

    "Now therefore, behold, the Lord is about to bring on them the strong and abundant waters of the Euphrates, Even the king of Assyria and all his glory; And it will rise up over all its channels and go over all its banks." (Isaiah 8:7 NASB, emphasis mine)

    Another thing to consider: God promised in Genesis to Noah that he would never again destroy the earth with a flood; He never said he wouldn't use them as judgments against rulers.

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    Default Re: Close Look at Daniel 9:26-27

    From "Daniel -The Key To Prophetic Revelation" a commentary by John Walvoord

    pg 231 Re: latter portion of 9:26 , "although not entirely clear, indicates that the destruction of the city will be like the destruction of a flood and that desolations are sovereignly determined along with war until the end."

    and...

    "The same expression of an overflowing flood is used to denote warlike hosts who annihilate their enemies like in Daniel 11:10, 22, 26, 40 and in Isaiah.
    Consider the words of Omar M. Ahmad, founder of CAIR: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant." ... "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

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    Default Re: Close Look at Daniel 9:26-27

    Thank you, GlennO
    Your explainations are very clear for me.

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    Default Re: Close Look at Daniel 9:26-27

    Robert raises a good point. We should always look to scripture to explain scripture. He raises two OT references; I would like to point to the only mentions of "flood" in NT apocalyptic writing: Revelation 12:15-16. Certainly from those and from many other verses—such as Psalm 69:2, Psalm 93:3, and 1 Peter 4:4 to name a few—it is clear that "flood" and "floods" do not necessarily mean literal watery deluges in Scripture.
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