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    Dangerous Momentum Building for Unilateral Declaration of a Palestinian State in September
    By Joel C. Rosenberg

    Bible warns nations not to divide the land of Israel

    Christian leaders around the world need to wake up and take notice of a rising new threat to Mideast security: the leaders of the Palestinian people are planning to go to the U.N. General Assembly this September and unilaterally declare their state in the "pre-1967 war borders," and a dangerous momentum of international political support for this plan is growing.

    Should the Palestinians proceed with their plans, growing evidence suggests they will receive an overwhelming majority vote at the U.N. in favor of dividing the land of Israel and dividing the city of Jerusalem. Indeed, a steadily growing number of countries around the world are signaling that they are ready to recognize a Palestinian state that includes all of the West Bank, all of Gaza, and at least half of Jerusalem as its capital. However, by making a unilateral declaration, the Palestinians will have chosen to refuse all negotiations with the Israelis. They will have chosen to abandon all diplomacy. They will have chosen to reject concessions and compromise. And they will have chosen to reject giving Israel the assurances of peace and security that the Jewish people so eagerly want. Even though Israel has given the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, withdrawn from southern Lebanon, withdrawn from Gaza, and offered even more sweeping concessions to Palestinian negotiators in recent years - indeed, far more sweeping than I personally am comfortable with - the Palestinian leadership continues to say "no, no, no," just as they did after the June 1967 war when they issued their famous "Three Noes" declaration from Khartoum: "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel."

    "We want to generate pressure on Israel to make it feel isolated and help it understand that there can be no talks without a stop to settlements," Nabil Shaath, who leads the foreign affairs department of Fatah, the main party of the Palestinian Authority, told the New York Times. "Without that, our goal is membership in the United Nations General Assembly in September."

    As I first warned in a detailed column on the subject last December, this is a very dangerous development. If the Palestinians make a unilateral declaration of what they want, what will stop Israel from unilaterally declaring what they want? What if the Palestinians try to forcibly evict the Jews living in the West Bank? Those Jews would certainly fight back. Would the Israeli military move to defend the Jewish settlers? Would Palestinian security forces then fire upon the Israeli forces? Would the U.N. move into to condemn and isolate Israel, and even impose draconian economic sanctions on the Jewish state? Events could spiral out of control. Indeed, the likelihood is that far more violence - not peace - would result by such a Palestinian declaration of statehood outside the context of negotiations with Israel. Still, one country after another around the world is encouraging the Palestinian leadership to go in this direction and promising to publicly support them at the U.N. this fall. Some believe that after a big victory in the U.N. General Assembly, a resolution will later be brought before the U.N. Security Council to ratify the legal status of the newly declared state.

    On Tuesday, Israeli President Shimon Peres met with President Obama at the White House. Initial reports suggest they discuss the stalled peace process and how to proceed. I hope that behind closed doors Peres was very clear and direct with Obama about what a dangerous road the Palestinians are on. Indeed, Prime Minister Netanyahu has continually offered direct negotiations with the Palestinians, yet the Palestinians keep refusing to sit down and talk face to face. They claim Netanyahu isn't serious about making peace or new concessions. Yet Netanyahu was the first Israeli leader ever to give land to Yasser Arafat when he gave away Hebron in 1997. I pray that Peres conveyed to the American President what Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said last month: "We are facing a diplomatic-political tsunami that the majority of the public is unaware of and that will peak in September. It is a very dangerous situation, one that requires action….Paralysis, rhetoric, inaction will deepen the isolation of Israel." An isolated Israel is not likely to feel secure enough to make peace with the Palestinians. What's more, when Israel's enemies (like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas) see Israel increasingly isolated, they are more likely to launch a new war.

    Publicly, the Obama administration says it opposes the Palestinian plan to unilaterally declare. But there is growing concern among pro-Israel leaders in Washington that should the issue come before the U.N. Security Council, Obama might direct his U.N. ambassador to abstain rather than to veto such a resolution.

    Jesus Christ said, "Blessed are the peacemakers." (Matthew 5:9) Those who truly seek peace will encourage diplomacy, not rash, arrogant, unilateral actions on either side. Sadly, there are far too many leaders in the epicenter who do not seek true peace, and too many leaders around the world who are encouraging reckless behavior.

    Bible prophecy makes it clear that the nations of the world will, in the last days, divide up the land of Israel. But the Scriptures are also crystal clear that the nations will face the judgment of Almighty God for doing so. "For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them to the Valley of Jehoshaphat ["the Lord judges"]. Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they have divided up My land." (Joel 3:1-2).

    Let the nations be warned by the God of Israel: they are on a dangerous and disastrous road. I pray they will turn around before it is too late.

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    I am suprised that it took this long.....I think that this is going to be the straw that break's the prophetic camel's back so to say. Once this abomination happens, things are going to go down hill at a pace that we have never seen before.......

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    Dangerous Momentum Building for Unilateral Declaration of a Palestinian State in September

    Dangerous Momentum Building for Unilateral Declaration of a Palestinian State in September
    By Joel C. Rosenberg


    Bible warns nations not to divide the land of Israel...Bible prophecy makes it clear that the nations of the world will, in the last days, divide up the land of Israel. But the Scriptures are also crystal clear that the nations will face the judgment of Almighty God for doing so. "For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them to the Valley of Jehoshaphat ["the Lord judges"]. Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they have divided up My land." (Joel 3:1-2)....Let the nations be warned by the God of Israel: they are on a dangerous and disastrous road. I pray they will turn around before it is too late.
    Pastor John Hagee issued a "warning" of sorts to the world on his program, this week. It was: "If you lay your hand on Israel, God will cut it off, and give it back to you in a box..."



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    God, be glorified in this situation. We do not know how to pray other than to pray as You instructed, for the peace of Jerusalem. So we pray for that and for Your glory to be manifest throughout the earth, Let not the Enemy triumph in any way and be able to say in any way that any Word of Thine has failed. I know that Luke 21:24 has been and will continue to be fulfilled until the Rapture, but I pray for that event to be soon ... NOT merely as an escape for us from this earth ... but so that Luke 21:24 may come to an end and that promised in Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7 shall come to pass until we rejoice in the Millennial Reign of Your Son and then the Great Day of Revelation 21 and 22 shall return all things to the perfection that You created and have purposed in all things! Hallelujah! Amen!
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    I have mixed feelings on this subject, although I know full well we are to pray and wish for peace, at times I just want it to be over, let the enemies of Israel do as they wish and let them smash against the fist of God....how many times must they be warned, it seems that the world just does not want to see or hear it, like its in a state of denial. Am I wrong to feel this way, I dont know.

    I look at the world and I see its on a downhill slide, I see a growing hatred of Israel and of its people, of Christianity and the Lord Jesus Christ, people in general dont want to hear it, dont want to acknowledge it.

    I would be more than happy to travel to Israel to help defend it, but somehow I feel it wont need my help, it has the King of Kings watching over it.

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    Sure seems that an awful lot of things are coming to a head in September. I can see it being a VERY interesting month politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    God, be glorified in this situation. We do not know how to pray other than to pray as You instructed, for the peace of Jerusalem. So we pray for that and for Your glory to be manifest throughout the earth, Let not the Enemy triumph in any way and be able to say in any way that any Word of Thine has failed. I know that Luke 21:24 has been and will continue to be fulfilled until the Rapture, but I pray for that event to be soon ... NOT merely as an escape for us from this earth ... but so that Luke 21:24 may come to an end and that promised in Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7 shall come to pass until we rejoice in the Millennial Reign of Your Son and then the Great Day of Revelation 21 and 22 shall return all things to the perfection that You created and have purposed in all things! Hallelujah! Amen!
    Amen!

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    God, be glorified in this situation. We do not know how to pray other than to pray as You instructed, for the peace of Jerusalem. So we pray for that and for Your glory to be manifest throughout the earth, Let not the Enemy triumph in any way and be able to say in any way that any Word of Thine has failed. I know that Luke 21:24 has been and will continue to be fulfilled until the Rapture, but I pray for that event to be soon ... NOT merely as an escape for us from this earth ... but so that Luke 21:24 may come to an end and that promised in Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7 shall come to pass until we rejoice in the Millennial Reign of Your Son and then the Great Day of Revelation 21 and 22 shall return all things to the perfection that You created and have purposed in all things! Hallelujah! Amen!

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    Sure seems that an awful lot of things are coming to a head in September. I can see it being a VERY interesting month politically.
    It should be a very interesting September indeed!

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    Could this declaration of statehood also bring about an imposed peace agreement by the U.N.? ...Maybe for 7 years? This deadline for "peace" thats coming with a trio of comets (Honda, Levi and Elinin), that also just so happens to coincide with the Feast of Trumpets (Sept 29), should make for a very interesting fall, prophetically speaking.

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    I would be more than happy to travel to Israel to help defend it, but somehow I feel it wont need my help, it has the King of Kings watching over it.[/QUOTE]

    Many years ago, when I graduated from high school, one of my ambitions was to go to Israel and fight with the IDF against Israel's many enemies. (My kids really get a kick out of this. ) I know how you feel about this though. The Lord has way more patience than I do, and I feel a bit like Jonah did about Nineveh, and then I remember that His patience and mercy is for me, too, and I am so grateful!!!

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    Not trying to steal the thread, just think this fits in with the thread and what God is doing.

    I can't help but think the troubles of the US are tied up with what the government is doing under the table. The value of the US dollar is plunging. Our government is going from bad to worse. We are no longer respected by the countries of the world. Rather we being used by others for their own ends. And we continue to aid others without any long term gain for goodness. The debt crisis we didn't dodge, just shoved off for future actions. It is like Congress is blind to our peril.

    True the seeds of the current US status were sowed years ago, And like a weed have been slowly taking over the garden. Now the US is pushing for the division of Israel, and Jerusalem, and our troubles are increasing. We are going the way of other countries that helped the Jews and then turned upon them. The secular citizens of the US and the world cannot see the spiritual side of the dilemma that is happening before their eyes. Yet things are going from bad to worse. So many times we have sided with the enemies of God rather than the people of God. And man continues to try to fix things on his own. Closing his eyes to history as mere coincidence.

    1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
    4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
    6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
    Romans 13:1-6 (KJV)
    Whether we the people choose to recognize the Ordinations of God or not, God is continuing to work through the governments of the world to bring about His Words about the earth's and man's future. I had great hopes for the Tea Parties message and the victory in the House of Representatives. But God left enough people in the Senate that hinders a rescue of what needs to be done to turn this country around. Listening to the rhetoric over the budget vote turned my stomach. Not much truth in it. Mostly just scare tactics and playing on the emotions of those who are being helped by our social programs, and all for a little over 3% of this year's deficit.

    At this point in time an abstention would be the same as a vote for the giving away the land land of Israel for a Palestinian state. With all the blessings and curses that will be due from these decisions.
    Don't jump at me I'm no conclusion

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    Not trying to steal the thread, just think this fits in with the thread and what God is doing.

    I can't help but think the troubles of the US are tied up with what the government is doing under the table. The value of the US dollar is plunging. Our government is going from bad to worse. We are no longer respected by the countries of the world. Rather we being used by others for their own ends. And we continue to aid others without any long term gain for goodness. The debt crisis we didn't dodge, just shoved off for future actions. It is like Congress is blind to our peril.

    True the seeds of the current US status were sowed years ago, And like a weed have been slowly taking over the garden. Now the US is pushing for the division of Israel, and Jerusalem, and our troubles are increasing. We are going the way of other countries that helped the Jews and then turned upon them. The secular citizens of the US and the world cannot see the spiritual side of the dilemma that is happening before their eyes. Yet things are going from bad to worse. So many times we have sided with the enemies of God rather than the people of God. And man continues to try to fix things on his own. Closing his eyes to history as mere coincidence.

    1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
    4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
    6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
    Romans 13:1-6 (KJV)
    Whether we the people choose to recognize the Ordinations of God or not, God is continuing to work through the governments of the world to bring about His Words about the earth's and man's future. I had great hopes for the Tea Parties message and the victory in the House of Representatives. But God left enough people in the Senate that hinders a rescue of what needs to be done to turn this country around. Listening to the rhetoric over the budget vote turned my stomach. Not much truth in it. Mostly just scare tactics and playing on the emotions of those who are being helped by our social programs, and all for a little over 3% of this year's deficit.

    At this point in time an abstention would be the same as a vote for the giving away the land land of Israel for a Palestinian state. With all the blessings and curses that will be due from these decisions.

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