Magog, Place Names, Ancient And Modern

[Meg]

Hi Mike, I guess this question is for you, maybe Chris knows too. I did a search last year on place names associated with Magog, and came up with this. May I ask your educated opinion on my result?

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech [this is roughly lower Russia and Georgia.Between the southern shores of the Black and Caspian Seas are upper Iran and northeastern Turkey. Tehran is just off the southernmost coast of the Caspian Sea]and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia [Iran], Cush [Egypt and Sudan] and Put [Libya, Bordering the Mediterranean Sea to the north, Libya lies between Egypt to the east, Sudan to the southeast,] will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer [Turkey] with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah [also part of modern Turkey] from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you

Cush is present-day Egypt and Sudan

Phut is ancient Libya

So, Ezekiel 38 and 39 is prophesying against modern day Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Turkey and very likely, Russia.

This a rough copy-and-paste from a couple of posts I made in another forum last year. How does this stack up against the pros?

[Sean Osborne]

Cush is the present day lands of Sudan, Ertirea and Somalia (Horn of Africa opposite yemen).

Phut is Libya and possibly other lands to the west and northwest of Egypt along the North African coast to Morocco.

Egypt is not a part of the Gog/Magog military action. Egpyt will be defeated in the Psalm-83 related wars which precede Gog/Magog by at least several years.

Russia, former-Soviet states in the Caucasus and Central Asia, Iran, Turkey, Phut as defined above, and Cush as defined above, are the nations of whom the Lord God had Ezekiel prophesy about.

[Meg]

Cool, so I got my homework right then? Most of my background was in ancient Europe with a survey through my Western Civilization course involving Mesopotamia, and the usual familiarity with Egypt, but I was loosely familiar with Scythia and Anatolia, so I was pretty confident in my research results. This came up a month or two before I discovered RR for the first time and encountered prophecy experts of the caliber who gather here.

[Sean Osborne]

Cool, so I got my homework right then?

Meg, you did your homework very well indeed. But I decline to self-identify as a prophecy expert. All I have done for the past few decades is diligently study Biblical eschatology. I'm knowledgable, but no expert.

[mikhen7]

This all looks good. Not trying to plug my book but it is relevant here. I actually have an Appendix called, Structuring the Nations, that covers the current and past whereabouts of the 70 generations found in the Table of Nations. I also expound some on some of the early pre-flood cities and where they are today. As you can see this information becomes relevant to those who will be doing any studies in Biblical prophecy. The book will not be available till Dec 2010

God Bless

[beameup]

It is worthwhile to look into Magog. I've never heard of it being mentioned as any other nation other than Russia (actually the Soviet Union was referred to as Magog prior to it breaking up).

Troubling to me is the phrase: "I will turn thee around and put hooks in thy jaws". It seems to be a reference to a wild bear being led with ropes and hooks in the jaw. Also the phrase "I will turn thee around" is puzzling.

I have seen translations "hook in thy jaw", "hooks in thy jaw", "hooks in thy jaws"

[KR McKay]

I recall having read that the ancient Chinese referred to the Great Wall of China as the "Wall of the Hoard of Magog." Although I can not find a reference for this at this moment, a quick search found this on Wikipedia:

"The Arabs called the Scythian tribes of Tartary Ya'jūj and Ma'jūj (Arabic: يأجوج و مأجوج‎) which is Gog and Magog[7] and the Great Wall of China as "the wall of Magog" (Arabic: حائط الماجوج, Haa'it al-Ma'jūj)[8]."

7. ↑ Jones 1807 vol 1:94. See also the Qur'an 21:96.
8. ↑ Haddon (1912:32)

I would note that the Wikipedia article proposes that China is Magog, or, at least, that, "Today, China, although inhabited in the main by descendants of Magog, also includes some descendants of Gomer, Javan, and Esau. The reader may find The Forgotten Tribes of Chinaby Kevin Sinclair of interest in this area of study."

I think that there are plenty of other reasons to conclude that Russia is Magog, but the article is interesting. Perhaps China will lend assistance to Russia in the War of Gog and Magog, and their appearance as the Kings of the East at Har Megiddo will not only be to try to take Israel's oil, but also to perhaps exact revenge for an earlier defeat...

Then again, perhaps not...

[Sean Osborne]

The Book of Genesis written by Moses gives us very clear indications of where Noah's sons, their sons, and their son's sons habitated. A careful examination of Genesis 10 provides this information.

In particular are the sons of Japheth - Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras - the descendants of whom are named by Ezekiel as being the primary belligerents, and who settled areas to the north, the west and the northeast of the Holy Land.

Of these sons the text identifies Gomer as begetting Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

And in the next verse informs us that the sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

Knowing that Noah's Ark settled on Mount Ararat and knowing that the large nearby bodies of water are the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, the very next verse (5) should be no surprise in that it says, "From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations."

You would be observant to notice that many of the above names, places and phrases are repeated by Ezekiel.

On down in verse 6 the text briefly discusses Ham and his sons. They settled in the Holy Land, Middle East including the Arabian Peninsula. And begining in verse 21 we read of Shem's descendants who also settled in the Middle East, particularly to the east of what would one day become the land of Israel.

There's a whole lot of eschatological 'gold nuggets' to be data mined, researched and refined from the verses of Geneisis 10 - and much of it applies directly to these 'last days' and Ezekiel 38/39 is a critical point in this period.

[beameup]

Of historical interest is the fact that St. Cyril, a missionary from Byzantium (Holy Roman Empire) took the Gospel north. He put together the Cyrillic Alphabet as a missionary in the 9th Century A.D. which is the Russian Alphabet of today. So we can conclude that these people north of Constantinople (Istanbul) were identified with a common language. So even then the people of that region were joined by a common language which exists to this day (with slight modifications).
History and development of the Cyrillic alphabet

[mattfivefour]

I find the Omniglot claim that Cyril "invented" the Cyrillic alphabet interesting. Surely He merely applied the existing Greek alphabet to the languages of the Slavic tribes. The characters are identical and date from more than a millenium before Cyril.

[Sean Osborne]

Here's a very interesting historical account from Biblical times to the present. Kind of an eye-popper, really, if you're a student of history as I am.

Most of this piece concerns Tiras, the 7th son of Japheth and youngest brother of Gomer, who is discussed in the last paragraph.

Thracians: Ancestors of the Swedes

[mattfivefour]

Thanks, Sean!!! I am indeed a student of history. Thanks so much for this!

[Sean Osborne]

This is just one of the many items I've collected as part of my research... there's a lot more out there waiting to be found. All verify Biblical accuracy and provide clues for a solid 'last days' exegesis.
There's a very important reason why Genesis 10 is a part of The Word. We're about the business of discovering why.

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Blessings to Everyone !

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Gog/Magog Nations/Countries

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[beameup]

I find the Omniglot claim that Cyril "invented" the Cyrillic alphabet interesting. Surely He merely applied the existing Greek alphabet to the languages of the Slavic tribes. The characters are identical and date from more than a millenium before Cyril.

Yes, of course Greek was still the language of the Eastern Holy Roman Empire under Constantine. As a modern American missionary would use the English Alphabet as the basis for writing down a spoken language so Cyril used Greek.

The Russian language uses the Cyrillic Alphabet. I remember this from my Byzantine History course in college. Russian Alphabet

Cyrillus' missionary journey was the basis for the later formation of the Russian Orthodox Church and Byzantium became the basis for the later formation of the Greek Orthodox Church. Latin came later after the Moslems overran Constantinople and the church center was relocated to Rome.