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    GREAT !!!
    Hagee really is right on the money!!!!

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    Hagee really is right on the money!!!!
    yes he is and others are too...i know this stuff since the 70's...it has been an escalation that will go on until the prophecies will be fulfilled....first the church needs to be taken out via the rapture then as we know the GT will take place....and THE LORD will MANIFEST HIS GLORY to ISRAEL and THE WORLD......
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    You need to be careful of Mr. Hagee. I do not have time right now to enumerate his errors regarding Israel, but I will note he is a believer in Religious Zionism also known as Dual Covenant belief. Essentially he believes that the New covenant is only for the Gentiles. that the Jews are fine under the old Covenant.

    From the Jesus Is Savior website:


    Hagee is recognized as a fierce foe of anti-Semitism. An outspoken supporter of the Jewish people, Judaism, and the nation Israel, he has been given the "Humanitarian of the Year" award by the San Antonio B'nai B'rith Council. Hagee has also been bestowed the "ZOA Israel Service Award" by the Zionist Organization in Dallas and honored with the "Henrietta Szold Award" by the Texas Southern Region of Hadassah.8

    While his bold stance against anti-Semitism is certainly praiseworthy, Hagee's zealousness for the Jewish people and their cause has led him to commit a most serious doctrinal error — salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity. One newspaper account puts it this way:

    Trying to convert Jews is a "waste of time," he [Hagee] said. . . .
    Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha'i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced with Christianity, he says.

    Hagee stated to the Houston Chronicle that he believes Jews have a special covenant with God and do not need to come to the cross for salvation. According to Hagee Jews don't need to be born-again. Mr. Hagee told the Texas newspaper:

    "I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption" (Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988).


    The Houston Chronicle newspaper then quoted Hagee's own shocking words...


    "I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith... In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time. Jews already have a covenant with God and that has never been replaced by Christianity." (Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec, 6, pg. 1).


    I love Jewish people, but they will burn in Hell as quick as any Gentile who rejects Jesus as their Christ.


    "The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses," Hagee said. "I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.


    "The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not," said Hagee . . .
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    "There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God," declares Hagee in one of his books. "They have been chosen by the 'election of grace' in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that "all the Jews are lost" and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity! . . . there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election."
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    Hagee also affirms: "If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see?"
    11 He continues, "All people will gain entrance into heaven through Christ. The question is one of timing." 12Such rhetoric raises some thorny questions. When Hagee says "all people will gain entrance into heaven through Christ," he is either advocating universalism (literally all people — Jewish and Gentile — will be saved), or he believes that all Jews will be saved. In either case, both positions are in serious error, but the latter is more consistent with his other statements.

    The "timing" of the salvation of the entire Jewish nation is actually irrelevant to Hagee's argument since he advocates that it is a waste of time attempting to convert them. At best, then, Hagee implies that even if they are not currently saved, God will save all Jewish keepers of the Law — past, present, and future — at some future point.

    The Bible paints a different picture. The apostle Paul demonstrates that Israel had a responsibility to respond to the Gospel, but rejected it. In Romans 10:19-21, he asks, "Did they [the Jews] fail to hear?" The rhetorical answer is "no." Paul relates that, as light and darkness are understood by all, so the gospel has been made known to all the Jews (cf. Acts 17:6; 21:28). He continues, "Did they fail to understand?" The answer once again is "no." Since Israel has become disobedient through unbelief (Rom. 11:30), God has delivered the gospel to the Gentiles.13

    But God has not entirely rejected Israel — Paul (himself a Jew) is living proof of this (Rom. 11:1). God has preserved a remnant, while the others were hardened as a consequence of their unbelief and trusting in works instead of the righteousness of Christ (Rom. 11:5-7; cf. 9:31-32; 11:20-23). Elsewhere the apostle writes, ". . . by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His [God's] sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. . . . for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 3:20, 23-24, emphasis added).

    To drive the point home, Paul goes on to say, ". . . the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise nullified; . . . it is by faith, that it might be in accordance with grace" (Rom. 4:13- 14, 16). Scripture draws no distinction between Jews and Gentiles on the issue of salvation, which is attained by grace through faith alone in Christ, "apart from works of the law" (3:28; cf. vv. 21-22).

    Paul recognized that the Jews of his day had a misguided zeal that caused them to stumble on this very point (9:31-32; 10:2-4). Why would he suffer great anguish and wish he were accursed for Israel's sake if none of them were truly lost? His anguish comes from the realization that many Israelites are not saved (Rom. 9:3, 6, 27; 10:1, 9-15; cf. Acts 2:14, 21, 37-39; Rom. 11:14, 17-23).

    The Law, revealed through the Jews, was meant to be "our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor" (Gal. 3:24-25). As the Bible clearly states: "There is neither Jew nor Greek . . . for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" (vv. 28-29). To be saved, a person — whether Jew or Gentile — must turn to Christ (5:4-6; cf. John 14:6; Acts 4:12; Rom. 10:9-13) who is "the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes" (Rom. 10:4). In writing that the "message of the gospel was from Israel, not to Israel,"14 Hagee discourages Christians from sharing the Good News with unsaved Jews who, like everyone else, have need of the gospel if they are to spend eternity with God in heaven.


    The Reluctant Messiah

    In Hagee's theology, the Jews can hardly be faulted for not flocking to Christianity since it was supposedly Jesus who declined their request for Him to be their Messiah. "The [Jewish] people wanted Him to be their Messiah, but He absolutely refused," writes Hagee. "The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah, it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews!"15

    Suffice it to say, Jesus' explicit claim to be the Messiah (or Christ) during His trial before the Sanhedrin, the supreme Jewish tribunal (Matt. 26:64), flatly contradicts Hagee's assertion. In that same passage, Jesus called Himself the "Son of Man," an unmistakable reference to the Book of Daniel (7:13) which alludes to the Messiah. Jesus also applied the same title to Himself in revealing His identity to "a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council" (John 3:1, 14-15), as well as to the crowd who questioned His authority to forgive sins (Mark 2:10).

    Furthermore, in response to Jesus' question, "Who do you say I am?" (Matt. 16:15), Peter answered, "You are the Christ [Messiah]" (v. 16). Surely, had the Jewish apostle been wrong, Jesus would have corrected him at that moment; instead, Peter received the Lord's blessing (v. 17).16 Jesus, however, instructed Peter, along with several others, not to reveal His messianic identity until due time (v. 20). He did so to avoid the prevalent misconceptions about the title, which had by then become largely understood in political terms17 — something wholly inappropriate for Jesus' mission at that time — though Jesus did, on occasion, give public indications of His messiahship (cf. Luke 4:17-21; 20:41-44).

    Indeed, Hagee's view is made especially ironic by the fact that Jesus Himself said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel" (Matt. 15:24). Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus' own people rejected Him, and not the other way around (John 1:11; Mark 12:1-12).


    Endnotes:

    8John Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel? (San Antonio, TX: Dominion Publishers, 1987), [174-75].
    9Julia Duin, "San Antonio Fundamentalist Battles Anti-Semitism," The Houston Chronicle, 30 April 1988, 1.
    10Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, 124-25, 127 (emphasis in original).
    11John Hagee, personal faxed correspondence to CRI, 18 October 1994, 3.
    12Ibid., 6
    13To cement the use of the rhetorical "no," these verses are supported by the Greek negative particle me. Whenever the me particle is used in an interrogative sentence, the response is negative (cf. 1 Cor. 9:8-10; 11:22; 14:29-30; Rom. 11:1). Had a "yes" — rather than a "no" — response been intended, the Greek particle ou — instead of me — would have appeared (cf. Rom. 9:21). For documentation, see A. T. Robertson, A Grammar Of The Greek New Testament In Light Of Historical Research (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1934),1173-74; and A. T. Robertson & W. Hersey Davis, A New Short Grammar Of The Greek Testament, 10th ed. (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1977), 390.
    14Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, 61 (emphasis in original).
    15Ibid., 67-68 passim; cf. 69, 72.
    16For further discussions on the messianic identity of Jesus, see Robert L. Reymond, Jesus, Divine Messiah (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing, 1990); and Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah (Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1976 [orig. 1886])..
    As I said at the beginning, you need to be very careful with Mr. Hagee's teaching. He has some fundamental errors in his theology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    You need to be careful of Mr. Hagee. I do not have time right now to enumerate his errors regarding Israel, but I will note he is a believer in Religious Zionism also known as Dual Covenant belief. Essentially he believes that the New covenant is only for the Gentiles. that the Jews are fine under the old Covenant.

    From the Jesus Is Savior website:


    As I said at the beginning, you need to be very careful with Mr. Hagee's teaching. He has some fundamental errors in his theology.
    Wow, I never knew that. Thanks for sharing.

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    Psalm 146:3 Teaches us not to put our confidence in men
    2 Timothy 2:15 study to show thyself approved to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
    Doubt and unbelief speaks volumes in the pages of the word... Some Jews believed and received Christ and others rejected him. we also cannot forget 1 Corinthians 2:7-14
    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
    8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
    9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
    11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
    13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
    we also cannot forget in the pages of the word... the Jews who don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, there eye's will be opened once the Anti-Christ stands in the rebuilt temple. proclaims himself to be God, then the blinders are lifted completely and they will realize that Jesus was and is in fact their Messiah and Israel will weep like a mother who has lost her firstborn son... Here is my main point.... For by Grace are we saved thru FAITH and not of ourselves or of WORKS...it is the GIFT of God... Romans chapter 10 also says For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.. Again...doubt and unbelief go along way in accepting or rejecting. Jesus is the ONLY way. to make a statement contrary to that is a scary thing, and i wouldnt want the blood of that person on my shoulders if i told them anything other than Faith in Jesus. any other way... your the same as a thief and a robber. Shalom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    You need to be careful of Mr. Hagee. I do not have time right now to enumerate his errors regarding Israel, but I will note he is a believer in Religious Zionism also known as Dual Covenant belief. Essentially he believes that the New covenant is only for the Gentiles. that the Jews are fine under the old Covenant.

    From the Jesus Is Savior website:


    As I said at the beginning, you need to be very careful with Mr. Hagee's teaching. He has some fundamental errors in his theology.
    Yes...good Adrian....
    in fact...while it is good to love Israel,pray for them,help them etc...Salvation and Blessings come to anyone who puts his/her faith in Jesus .....and this dual covenant is pretty heretical stuff...
    another thing that disturbs me with Hagee ministry is that is rather commercial....I mean,for example,you can visit sites like www.Gracetrhufaith.com or Jon Courson - Searchlight or Calvary Chapel or Rapture Forums - The End Times Rapture or Rapture Ready - Rapture resource for the end times or Firefighters For Christ and get tapes,teachings for free,if you want you can donate,but there is not all this selling selling selling....I understand that there are costs to run an effective ministry but one has got to serve The Lord and His people in love and by faith....I do not know if I express myself well...but for example I have downloaded the entire audio Bible KJV for FREE at Firefighters For Christ and a fantastic superbible at e-Sword - the Sword of the LORD with an electronic edge ALL FOR FREE etc..so.......

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    I just knew we could not get through a thread about John Hagee without shredding him. I give up.

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    I just knew we could not get through a thread about John Hagee without shredding him. I give up.
    Lori, you can't give up yet: we haven't had the annual RF Co-ed Varsity Soccer game and picnic!!!

    This year, Chris is going to show us how to do Pele's famous Bicycle Kick, and Buzz is hosting a clinic on how to score a goal from halfway across the field!!!
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    Lori, you can't give up yet: we haven't had the annual RF Co-ed Varsity Soccer game and picnic!!!

    This year, Chris is going to show us how to do Pele's famous Bicycle Kick, and Buzz is hosting a clinic on how to score a goal from halfway across the field!!!

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    Robert, you are a nut. I am just sick of the fact that we can't have one thread about someone like him and just look at the message of the immediate thread without launching into attacks and shredding. He believes what he believes and he has a reason for that. He HAS brought thousands to Christ and stands for Israel through all their storms. That's all that matters here. all the other stuff is just crap at this point. Don't even know why I bother anymore.

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    Robert, you are a nut. I am just sick of the fact that we can't have one thread about someone like him and just look at the message of the immediate thread without launching into attacks and shredding. He believes what he believes and he has a reason for that. He HAS brought thousands to Christ and stands for Israel through all their storms. That's all that matters here. all the other stuff is just crap at this point. Don't even know why I bother anymore.
    I understand what you’re saying, personally I still like Hagee. I didn’t know he held to that view which is clearly wrong but it’s kind of like having a friend who loves the Lord but believes in a Mid-Trib rapture. They are completely wrong on that point but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong on all points or that I won’t give them a fair hearing or a pat on the back when they get it right.

    I don’t think the pointing out of the fact that Hagee believes Jews don’t need Jesus was anything personal but more of an FYI and if that is indeed the case, then mattfivefour was right for pointing that out IMO.

    Don’t get wrong though, I do understand what you are saying too. I’m still shock to find out Hagee believes that but I also believe the message of his that I posted above is spot on the money and I’ll be happy to post/tell that same message again and again but I don’t think what was said is anything personal against him or designed to get people to ignore him. It didn’t change my opinion of him. I know when we’re standing in front of the Lord, I’d much rather be in his shoes than mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtvol View Post
    I understand what you’re saying, personally I still like Hagee. I didn’t know he held to that view which is clearly wrong but it’s kind of like having a friend who loves the Lord but believes in a Mid-Trib rapture. They are completely wrong on that point but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong on all points or that I won’t give them a fair hearing or a pat on the back when they get it right.

    I don’t think the pointing out of the fact that Hagee believes Jews don’t need Jesus was anything personal but more of an FYI and if that is indeed the case, then mattfivefour was right for pointing that out IMO.

    Don’t get wrong though, I do understand what you are saying too. I’m still shock to find out Hagee believes that but I also believe the message of his that I posted above is spot on the money and I’ll be happy to post/tell that same message again and again but I don’t think what was said is anything personal against him or designed to get people to ignore him. It didn’t change my opinion of him. I know when we’re standing in front of the Lord, I’d much rather be in his shoes than mine.
    Look,to be exhorted to LOVE,HELP and PRAY for ISRAEL is surely a VERY GOOD THING!
    But,ALL GOD's BLESSINGS come to us in JESUS CHRIST,BY GRACE,through FAITH..they are FOR US,the BRIDE,they are NOT CONDITIONAL and RELATED TO WORKS...like if I want be blessed I love ISRAEL and pray for them and help them and so I get blessed!
    This in my modest opinion sounds very much like certain people that teach that if we give the tithe we get FINANCIAL PROSPERITY.....

    I believe that the FRUIT of THE SPIRIT is LOVE and GENEROSITY....because that is the very heart of THE LORD,I do not know anyone more LOVING and GENEROUS than HIM...
    But there are NOT GIMMICKS,we CANNOT FORCE THE HAND of GOD and HE IS NO MAN DEBTOR....
    Just like GIVING should be done with JOY and GRATITUDE for ALL HE HAS DONE and DOES for us and should be considered a PRIVILEGE and a BLESSING to being able to contribute to the spreading of HIS WORD...in the same manner we should LOVE,HELP and PRAY for ISRAEL out of JESUS LOVE and GRATITUDE that THE LORD CREATED ISRAEL and through ISRAEL MESSIAH has come and so we lost Gentiles can become THE BRIDE...so YES let's by all means be good to ISRAEL but NOT to EARN BLESSINGS from THE LORD....

    We have to LOVE,HELP and PRAY EVERYONE that is not in CHRIST ,we are TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES,PRAY FOR THEM and DO GOOD to them for CHRIST sake and cause....that includes ISRAEL ...
    and even THE MUSLIMS and THE HINDUS etc etc....

    THE GOSPEL is FOR EVERYONE that BELIEVES...and I do not care if your name is Abraham Aaron Levi,UNLESS you CONFESS JESUS CHRIST and BELIEVE in HIM as THE ONLY TRUE WAY to THE FATHER,YOU ARE NOT SAVED.....

    THE NEW COVENANT in JESUS BLOOD requires that JEWS and GENTILES alike ACCEPT JESUS and so BECOME MEMBERS of THE BODY of CHRIST,the Bride,that is NOT ISRAEL as well ISRAEL is NOT The Bride...in fact THE LORD has NOT ABANDONED ISRAEL for THE SAKE of HIS GREAT NAME and HIS COVENANT with ABRAHAM,who by the way was a GENTILE,from UR in Caldea,and become THE FATHER of FAITH ....so AFTER THE CHURCH is RAPTURED,THE LORD will TURN on ISRAEL so to SAVE them during the GT.
    So,outside JESUS we are LOST,in JESUS we are SAVED...THE LORD made simple....

    And also...THE GOSPEL IS FOR ALL...THE DOOR is STILL OPEN....
    YES let's HELP,PRAY,LOVE ISRAEL but let us NOT give them THE FALSE IDEA that they can get saved by observing the TORAH or just because they are descendants of Abraham...because that is HERESY..
    UNLESS I have it all wrong...and then I must reread The BIBLE and find out....
    But JESUS said to ISRAEL of HIS time that UNLESS they believe in HIM they will die in their sins....and go to HELL...same for us GENTILES.....

    I ask Adrian to check if what I am saying is in line with God's word,thank You.

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    Look,....
    Yea, I agree. I wasn't saying Hagee was right about the Jews not needing Jesus. I was just in a non-combative way point out that I didn't think the comments from mattfivefour were designed to be an attack on Hagee, just more of an FYI which is appropriate and that this message from Hagee posted here is right on the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtvol View Post
    Yea, I agree. I wasn't saying Hagee was right about the Jews not needing Jesus. I was just in a non-combative way point out that I didn't think the comments from mattfivefour were designed to be an attack on Hagee, just more of an FYI which is appropriate and that this message from Hagee posted here is right on the money.
    Look,I had the Prophecy Bible from Hagee....fantastic,full of the right stuff..I say i had it because it has been stolen from me twice!!!
    Silly me...I really do not know how in the world the man went in this dual covenant stuff....
    Anyway,let's pray for Israel nevertheless...

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    jtvol (glad you got that that vid posting thing figured out )

    Thank you for posting the three clips!! I watched them all and was edified and encouraged. I believe that JH has erred in his advocating a way to the Father without the following the path of the cross.

    JH is one of a few I'll read or watch with knowing they have an error (C.Missler and J. Kelly coming to mind most recently).

    Personally, I think the adoration by men of reputation is one of the enemy's favorite plays to run against the church leaders (the audio track of C.S. Lewis' Screwtape letters replays in the back of my mind just now). Seems JH has tripped there but I am knowledgeable of his error and spit out the seeds as I munch the fruit.

    Obadiah 1:15 affected me deeply and impressed upon me I would do well the give at least as much to the Joshua Fund as we give to Iran Alive Ministries. God loves the both and the split of the brothers was over a bowl of beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennO View Post
    jtvol (glad you got that figured out )

    Thank you for posting the three clips!! I watched them all and was edified and encouraged. I believe that JH has erred in his advocating a way to the Father without the following the path of the cross.

    JH is one of a few I'll read or watch with knowing they have an error (C.Missler and J. Kelly coming to mind most recently).

    Personally, I think the adoration by men of reputation is one of the enemy's favorite plays to run against the church leaders (the audio track of C.S. Lewis' Screwtape letters replays in the back of my mind just now). Seems JH has tripped there but I am knowledgeable of his error and spit out the seeds as I munch the fruit.

    Obadiah 1:15 affected me deeply and impressed upon me I would do well the give at least as much to the Joshua Fund as we give to Iran Alive Ministries. God loves the both and the split of the brothers was over a bowl of beans.
    I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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    OK, admittedly, I'm in over my head, here, lol. Someone help me out with this. First of all, I believe the verse that says no one comes to the Father except through Jesus. Repeat, I believe that.

    Let's go back to the OT, & God blinded the Jews. No doubt about that. However, didn't Jesus come to lift that blindness at His first advent, they rejected Him? I'm just touching on the high-points, but scripture in Matthew "at first" states that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then, after they rejected Him, He turned His attention to the Gentiles. (Much is left out here, but I'm trying to be brief, lol).

    As Clarence Larkin says in "Dispensational Truth", the postponement theory. What then of the Jews? Romans 11:25 clearly says blindness in part has happened to Israel "until" the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (Rapture). What does this mean? I agree with Bro. Hagee that they are blinded, by the Lord. Can you overcome the Lord's judidical blindess of them through preaching? Remember, the verse said "in part", so, some of them do come to the Lord. They are called Messianic Jews. So, the question is, "how" did they come to Jesus when others can't? Bro. Hagee says it's through "divine revelation", exactly what happened to Paul on the Road to Damascus. It goes to divine election, and there is not one here, or anywhere, who can adequately explain that - it's the most controversial topic in scripture. God can do what He wills. I will NOT limit Him to what my feeble understanding of Him is. He chooses, through election, some Jews, He ALWAYS has a remnant.

    All I know is, the Lord Himself will lift the blindess for some of them, as He chooses. He said the remainder will be blinded until the Rapture. Is this their punishment for rejecting Him when He delivered them out of Egypt AND they again failed to see His first Advent and rejected Him as He again walked with and among them? It will be like Joseph - He will reveal Himself on the 3rd visit.

    What about all the others? I don't know. Just trying to figure it all out. What do ya'll think?

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    Default Re: John Hagee - The Rejection of Israel

    oh brother I agree with Mikalikat. We need to look for the good in people. There is enough tearing down and hate out there. Know body is right about everything. I believe John Hagee has won a lot of souls and has done a lot for the Jewish people. I believe God will richly bless him. Pray for him ! And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Matt.7 - 3

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