Glenn Beck

[mikalikat]

If you all get a chance, be listening to him and his shows. He's starting to tie in where churches are sliding into the socialist web of lies. Churches right and left are starting to mention "social justice" and key words like that on their websites and messages. Slowly but surely, the chaff is being separated from the wheat is so many ways.

[FaithDefenderGuy]

If you all get a chance, be listening to him and his shows. He's starting to tie in where churches are sliding into the socialist web of lies. Churches right and left are starting to mention "social justice" and key words like that on their websites and messages. Slowly but surely, the chaff is being separated from the wheat is so many ways.

FYI, 99.99% of today's churches are 501c3s-they are yoked up and incorporated with the government,the IRS now has final authority over everything they do.

Dr. Greg Dixon lost his church in the 1980's because he refused to abide by the IRS(his church was a 501c3). All we here is how churches just merely need not endorse a political candidate to keep their tax-exempt status. This is a LIE. If any pastor tells you this, they are LYING. There are MANY statutes they have to abide by, keeping silent over pornography is one of them!

Greg Dixon's Unregistered Baptist Fellowship web site, Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
Lots of good stuff in it.

[Sean Osborne]

FYI, 99.99% of today's churches are 501c3s-they are yoked up and incorporated with the government,the IRS now has final authority over everything they do.

Dr. Greg Dixon lost his church in the 1980's because he refused to abide by the IRS(his church was a 501c3). All we here is how churches just merely need not endorse a political candidate to keep their tax-exempt status. This is a LIE. If any pastor tells you this, they are LYING. There are MANY statutes they have to abide by, keeping silent over pornography is one of them!

Greg Dixon's Unregistered Baptist Fellowship web site, Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
Lots of good stuff in it.

Absolutely correct. Brethren, if your church is a "501c3 tax-exempt religious organization" then get out of that church because government rules prohibit that church (i.e. effectively controls that church) from speaking out in any meaningful way on important moral issues relative to our being Christians. Thus the witness for Christ of that chuch is wholly compromised when it need not be due to the guarantee afforded churches by the First Amendment (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.) 501c3 churches are the brain-child and political legacy of Lyndon Baines Johnson.

Find a new church which is not 501c3.

[Kays]

Isn't Glenn Beck mormon?

[A24AW]

Isn't Glenn Beck mormon?

Yes. He was raised Catholic and turned to the Mormon faith after his second marriage. -At least that is what he says on his shows.

[mikalikat]

He is, but he is saved by the blood of Christ, has said so many times, in fact once this week. I do not believe that he and his wife fall into all the doctrine of the Mormon church. I get the impression that the focus on family of the Mormon Church is more of what they are drawn to. But he is saved. And please, save me the arguments that inevitably come up about "But the Mormons don't believe in the same Jesus blah blah blah." I KNOW they don't, but I have listened to him talk indepth about his beliefs and he's admitted he's redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross. Period.

[A24AW]

He is, but he is saved by the blood of Christ, has said so many times, in fact once this week. I do not believe that he and his wife fall into all the doctrine of the Mormon church. I get the impression that the focus on family of the Mormon Church is more of what they are drawn to. But he is saved. And please, save me the arguments that inevitably come up about "But the Mormons don't believe in the same Jesus blah blah blah." I KNOW they don't, but I have listened to him talk indepth about his beliefs and he's admitted he's redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross. Period.

I enjoy watching Glenn's show. I think he is about the only one in the mainstream media that is trying to warn us about future events in our world.

[TexasThunder]

He is, but he is saved by the blood of Christ, has said so many times, in fact once this week. I do not believe that he and his wife fall into all the doctrine of the Mormon church. I get the impression that the focus on family of the Mormon Church is more of what they are drawn to. But he is saved. And please, save me the arguments that inevitably come up about "But the Mormons don't believe in the same Jesus blah blah blah." I KNOW they don't, but I have listened to him talk indepth about his beliefs and he's admitted he's redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross. Period.

I hope he is saved! I have not heard him say the things you mention, and in all honestly, its not our place to say someone is or is not saved. That judgement is between Glen B and the Lord. I can only say I know I am saved!

[FaithDefenderGuy]

Absolutely correct. Brethren, if your church is a "501c3 tax-exempt religious organization" then get out of that church because government rules prohibit that church (i.e. effectively controls that church) from speaking out in any meaningful way on important moral issues relative to our being Christians. Thus the witness for Christ of that chuch is wholly compromised when it need not be due to the guarantee afforded churches by the First Amendment (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.) 501c3 churches are the brain-child and political legacy of Lyndon Baines Johnson.

Find a new church which is not 501c3.

IRS has the authority to force churches to teach doctrines of their choice too. Purpose Driven Life ring a bell? Coincidence majority of churches are yoked with the Purpose Driven Network and/or Willow Creek Association?

[Hebron]

To be honest if I had to choose between a purpose driven life church and a Mormon church I would choose the PD, the Mormon church do not preach redemption through the blood of Christ and if Glen Beck was saved he would not be a Mormon.

[mikalikat]

Hebron, with all due respect, he's only been a Mormon for the last seven or eight years. He was saved prior to joining.

[Hebron]

I'll leave that between him and God but if someone is truly saved they do not compromise the divinity of Christ

[Sean Osborne]

Focus on the Family Pulls Interview With Mormon Glenn Beck
December 30, 2008 02:33 PM ET
By Dan Gilgoff, God & Country

The Mormon Times reports that Focus on the Family has pulled an interview with conservative radio and TV personality Glenn Beck from one of its websites because supporters of the evangelical group complained that it appeared to endorse Mormonism, Beck's religious tradition.

Reading the interview—occasioned by Beck's new book, The Christmas Sweater—I'm surprised that Focus didn't see this controversy coming. In its introduction to the interview, Focus notes that "Beck spent several years addicted to drugs and alcohol, coming to the verge of suicide, before turning his life over to God at the age of 35."

Using such language, Focus appears to be legitimizing Mormonism, which many evangelicals consider to be a cult, by validating Beck's born-again experience.

In the interview, Beck tells how he was saved by God. Without any kind of editor's note, the piece creates the impression that being saved within the context of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is fine by Focus.

What makes this oversight all the more stunning is that Focus has a very specific definition in mind for who qualifies as a Christian, as I discovered last year when I interviewed Focus founder James Dobson about Fred Thompson, who was a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination. "I don't think he's a Christian; at least that's my impression," Dobson said of Thompson.

And yet I can't help but be disappointed by the blow that Focus dealt to religious tolerance and interfaith dialogue by scrubbing the interview from its site.

Dobson deserves credit for helping the evangelical movement build political alliances with other faith traditions, including the Mormons, or Church of Latter-day Saints. In the 2007 election cycle, Dobson repeatedly praised Republican presidential candidate and LDS member Mitt Romney, even as many evangelical activists coalesced behind White House hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister.

Focus could have used the Beck episode as another opportunity for interfaith bridge-building, perhaps by leaving the interview up, even if it meant adding a clarification that the organization doesn't endorse Mormonism. Another setback for interfaith dialogue, which seems to be all too rare these days.

Glenn Beck has posted a statement on his website.

Glenn Beck Story Pulled Because of his Mormon Faith?By Chris Ariens on Dec 27, 2008 12:53 PM

James Dobson's Focus on the Family pulled an article about Glenn Beck's book "The Christmas Sweater" from one of its Websites after complaints from followers, the Mormon Times reports.

Earlier this week an anti-Mormon group called Underground Apologetics issued a release through Christian News Wire:

"Glenn Beck was a CNN host and will move to Fox News in January. Beck is currently promoting his book, 'The Christmas Sweater.' The CitizenLink story focuses on Beck's faith and why he wrote 'The Christmas Sweater.' While Glenn's social views are compatible with many Christian views, his beliefs in Mormonism are not. Clearly, Mormonism is a cult. The CitizenLink story does not mention Beck's Mormon faith, however, the story makes it look as if Beck is a Christian who believes in the essential doctrines of the faith."
A Focus on the Family staffer wrote to the Mormon Times, "You are correct to note that Mr. Beck is a member of the Mormon church, and that we did not make mention of this fact in our interview with him. We do recognize the deep theological difference between evangelical theology and Mormon theology, and it would have been prudent for us at least to have pointed out these differences. Because of the confusion, we have removed the interview from CitizenLink."

The Christmas Sweater remains atop the New York Times Best Sellers list.

Glenn Beck's Response to James Dobson's Focus on the Family

Glenn Beck Story Pulled Because of his Mormon Faith

January 4, 2009 - 19:51 ET

“Glenn Beck Story Pulled Because of his Mormon Faith”
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A Special Message from Glenn:
"The Christmas Sweater is a story about the idea of Christmas as a time for redemption and atonement. Whatever your beliefs about my religion, the concept of religious tolerance is too important to be sacrificed in response to pressure from special interest groups, especially when it means bowing to censorship. I'm humbled and grateful that hundreds of thousands of people from different faiths have read the book and have appreciated its uplifting message for themselves. At a time when the world is so full of fear, despair, and divisions, it is my hope that all of those who believe in a loving and peaceful God would stand together on the universal message of hope and forgiveness."
-glenn

My take on Glenn's response above is that he's gone shallow and comes across like a whining liberal hiding behind the skirt of "religious tolerance." Glenn refers to Focus on the family as "a special interest group" which is complete nonsense because James Dobson has been one of Glenn's most ardent fans. It's like Glenn stabbed Focus on the Family in the back for pulling his interview because it focused on Glenn's Mormonism instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Focus on the Family is a global non-profit Christian organization with a vision for healing brokenness in families, communities and societies worldwide through Christ. We endeavor to inspire and equip married couples to live out God’s design and intention for biblical marriage and to help parents raise children who know, love and serve God.

To summarize, we will try to remember always that Jesus Christ is our possessor and our dispossessor. He ordained and blessed this ministry. It belongs entirely to Him.

Glenn, it's about Jesus Christ. Period. Get that through your skull and I'll start listening to what you have to say again.

[Love1Another]

I've heard him denounce anyone that believes their faith is somehow superior, which leads me to believe he is more of a Deist than a born-again Christian. He'll often deride, in his mocking southern accent, someone who proclaims being "born-again and loving Jesus," in a very offensive tone.

He did proclaim Jesus Christ as his Redeemer this week, which is the first time I've ever heard him say it. It caught my attention and I was proud of him for standing up. I wish I weren't so cynical about the timing of it. I had no idea about the Focus on the Family issue.

It's impossible to have that kind of exposure and not make mistakes. I shudder to think what people would think of me if all my words were broadcast each and every day. May God bless Glenn to find the truth.

[Casey]

Only God knows his heart and whether he is a believer or not, but it just seems strange to me that a true born-again Christian would associate himself with the Mormon religion for any reason.

[Potter's Clay]

I have recently had an extensive discussion with someone who is a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints about the divine and eternal nature of Jesus. He claims that Jesus is his savior but does not believe that Jesus is eternal. I do not know what Glen Beck believes, but if anyone does not believe that Jesus was preeminent in creation and eternal, it indicates to me that the Holy Spirit has not revealed this truth clearly evident in scripture.

[myinnuendo999]

I have recently had an extensive discussion with someone who is a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints about the divine and eternal nature of Jesus. He claims that Jesus is his savior but does not believe that Jesus is eternal. I do not know what Glen Beck believes, but if anyone does not believe that Jesus was preeminent in creation and eternal, it indicates to me that the Holy Spirit has not revealed this truth clearly evident in scripture.

--emphasis in bold by me

The Bible clearly says that Jesus is eternal -John 1:1 and 1 John 1:1-2--unequivocally- not ambiguous

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning"

1 John 1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

One of the Essentials for the Christian faith is knowing WHO Jesus claimed to be--Jesus said so-John 8:24 "If you do not believe I am the one I claim to be you will indeed die in your sins". Jesus claimed to be "I AM".

If a person denies who Jesus really is then they do not have the Holy Spirit and thus they are not born again.

Scripture has indeed clearly shown that Jesus is eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit testifies with all who are born again this axiom.

",,No one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit"- 1 Cor.12:3

[mikalikat]

Unbelievable. Once again, a thread on Beck has spiraled into this discussion and we have completely gotten off track of the subject matter. Once again, a glaring example of why this country is in the straits it's in. Ignore the creeping threat of socialism to argue irrelevant details that are between a man and God. Can we get back on track to the original subject? Please?

[micah719]

This thread is called Glenn Beck, that's why there is so much discussion of him. If it were called, "The Socialist web of lies", perhaps it might have stayed on track.

Balaam spoke prophetic words from The Lord, but he was not saved...what is important is the content of the message he spoke, and we are not wrong to look very carefully at the messenger. So, in the intent of this thread, here is something about socialism that should give us all pause (bold text and formatting added for clarity):

Posted below is a comparison of the original ten planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848,along with the American adopted counterpart of each of the planks, The American people have truly been "buried in Communism" by their own politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties. One other thing to remember, Karl Marx was stating in the Communist Manifesto that these planks will test whether a country has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force the country IS communist. Communism, but by any other name...??
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1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public
purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying our fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986);

Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands
of the State.

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation(DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency,
Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of1964, assorted
Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based
"Education" .

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So I ask you...does changing the words, change the end result? By using different words is it all of a sudden OK????? Weare so "smart," aren't we??

Yahoo! Groups

A good place to look for warnings of Communist methods and achievements is:
Crossroad

[Adopted Son]

Mikalikat,

Point well taken, and I believe Glenn is giving some good advice here. The end is close. Satan is attacking every institution and person who attempts to shed light on the truth. Whether or not you like the perception of Glenn's chosen faith, he is a truth teller. I have noticed him fraying around the edges for nearly a year now. The temptations are staggering I am sure.

It would not surprise me to hear him begin to say some pretty outlandish and perhaps even unscriptural things. I hope not. Right now, satan is working on Glenn's vanity, and I see Glenn fighting it, but the temptation is very, very strong. I can look back at many preachers who when they began to truly reach people were derailed by earthly pleasures. I am praying Glenn can fight and not succumb, but if he does, God will send another to show the truth.