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    U.S. Department of Peace: Healing the Soul of America?
    by Jan Markell
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    February 16, 2010

    Did you know that if you don't believe God is in everyone you are working against world peace? This is what many who are promoting HR808 in the U.S. House of Representatives believe. And thus far, 288 House members have expressed approval for a bill that would create a U.S. Department of Peace.

    Far left Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) introduced this bill and he and others believe a Cabinet level Department of Peace just might chase evil, war, and terrorism away!

    So they state they will "augment our current problem solving options, providing practical, nonviolent solutions to the problems of domestic and international conflict." Presto! Create this Department of Peace and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Ill, China's gulag thugs, the tormenters in the Sudan, and radical Islam will be transformed! We will gather together to sing "Give Peace a Chance" and the world will be transformed without the transforming God.That's important as this is man's efforts without Him.

    This legislation will pass, according to some Washington insiders, unless there is another wave of citizens who will rise up and speak up by contacting their reps in Washington.

    You can hear Communist Van Jones on the official Web site as he denounces democracy. Strange how a guy like Jones, whose ideology has killed tens of millions, is now all about peace.

    But who is the unofficial ambassador for all of this? Famous "New Ager" Marianne Williamson whose "Course in Miracles" has deceived so many people over the years. This seductive, "new spirituality" book was hyped by Oprah Winfrey every day in 2009 on Oprah's Internet outlet. Winfrey continues to be a major player in this movement. She is a guru in the shadows providing a platform for every form of deception and delusion imaginable. And millions swallow her Kool-Aid as though all of her words and her guests represent gospel truth.

    Warren Smith points out in chapter 6 of his e-book, Reinventing Jesus Christ, that Williamson states,"Yes, we see there are prob*lems in the world. But we believe in a universal force that, when activated by the human heart, has the power to make all things right. We need to declare peace now, with as much serious effort and intention as that with which a nation declares war." Williamson, Barbara Marx Hubbard, and others on this peace train, insist that this will "heal the soul of America."

    Here is a small sample of what Williamson believes. In the Course of Miracles she says, "The journey to the cross should be the last useless journey."

    Or, how about this: "Do not make the pathetic error of clinging to the old rugged cross."

    And since she doesn't believe in sin, Hitler never sinned. He made mistakes.

    This is, in part at least, the ideology of this Department of Peace that is on the horizon! And I can't make these things up as it exceeds my imagination! Do these 288 members of the U.S. House of Representatives really know what they are signing on to? Call, write, e-mail, or fax them and let them know!

    You can also hear Walter Kronkite make stunning statements about war and peace here. He says that in spite of terrorism and war, hope is on the way! That would be the U.S. Department of Peace! He lauds the fact that soon there will be no automatic weapons, violence in schools, etc. We could show the world that "peace is our profession." All U.S. consulates could fly the American flag and the peace flag.

    Such foolishness, and that is what the Bible calls it! "For when they shall say peace and safety, then sudden destruction comes upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape" (I Thess.5:3).

    These people totally ignore man's sinful nature. They believe that forming a committee or a Cabinet position will bring about nirvana. They mock the Prince of Peace and would never bring Him into their peace negotiations and discussions.

    They are convinced that all the world will be well once this Department of Peace is up and running!

    The Bible says of the antichrist, "By peace he shall destroy many" (Daniel 8:25). Is this paving the way?

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    Default Re: U.S. Department of Peace: Healing the Soul of America? -- Jan Markel

    Oh, my Lord, I never knew the crap she wrote said that. Once I collected my jaw off of my Bible here at the table, I just stared at this article. I am without words beyond this.

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    if you don't believe God is in everyone you are working against world peace
    This one statement, my friends, will be the very core of the coming persecution of Christians. I have said this for years in answer to people who would ask me how could Christians become pariahs in this day and age. Now we see it being said by legislators. It's coming, it's coming. In the world's eyes Christians will be the ones who are anti-God, anti-peace, anti-everything good. We will be the trouble makers in this world. And therefore we will have to be controlled.
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    Hey Chris-

    I can tell you have Jan Markell has a strong aversion to the idea of a Department of Peace, but some of your her statements indicate to me that you have she has not read the proposed legislation itself and that you are she is forming your opinions based on what you've she's been told by someone else, which may have not been entirely accurate.

    The proposed bill - H.R. 808 - can be read at the Library of Congress site (THOMAS (Library of Congress)) . At present, there are 72 cosponsors in the House (not 288 who approve of it - don't know where that number came from), so there is no imminent danger of this legislation passing any time soon.

    Also, there is nothing in the legislation that says "if you don't believe God is in everyone you are working against world peace". I don't know where this came from, but it sounds like an interpretation based on the spiritual leanings of someone like Williamson who may support the legislation. Again, I would encourage you people to read the bill and form your their own opinion instead of condemning the idea because of who else may support it.

    The idea for a Department of Peace is not some recent concept generated by New Age spiritualists to rid society of fundamentalism. The Founding Fathers - notably Benjamin Rush and Benjamin Banneker - proposed such an idea to augment the Department of War as the government was being created. The idea has been raised many times since then, but has never received enough support to become reality.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control, there is an epidemic of violence in our society that needs attention. Too many people's lives are ruined by violence - both the victims and the perpetrators. The traditional approach of locking the perpetrators up has not reduced the level of violence, so a new approach is needed. No one who supports the Department of Peace thinks the work will be easy - no "Presto" and instant results. But there is evidence that shows the types of proposals in the Department of Peace legislation will have a positive impact on reducing violence within the U.S. and abroad.

    God gave us the tools we need to counteract man's sinful nature - we just need the will to use them. It's what the Prince of Peace would want us to do.

    If you agree that violence in society is a problem that needs to be resolved, and you don't support the idea of a Department of Peace after you have studied the legislation, then I would be interested in hearing your ideas on how to address the violence problem (keeping in mind that what has been tried in the past has not worked).

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNunnster View Post
    . . .God gave us the tools we need to counteract man's sinful nature - we just need the will to use them. It's what the Prince of Peace would want us to do. . .
    That may be your opinion, but I would be careful about speaking for Jesus. IMO, the only way to counteract man's sinful nature is faith in Christ, repentance of sin and living for Him. I've read the bill and I must say my spirit felt grieved as I read it. I cannot imagine giving our government even more power then it has. I see a lot of potential here to create thought police, promote the gay/lesbian agenda and crack down on churches preaching the full council of God.

    Peace will come when the Prince of Peace returns. Until then, we need to keep the freedoms necessary to enable us to lead as many to Christ as possible and avoid the temptation of thinking we can do it without Him, especially when the man-made institution has the power to quiet our voice.

    But that is just my opinion.

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    Default Re: U.S. Department of Peace: Healing the Soul of America? -- Jan Markel

    Ted, I think the problems with this proposed legislation arise from certain statement within the body of the draft bill. for example:
    102 (b) 11: "promote religious tolerance"

    105 (3): "develop community-based strategies for celebrating diversity and promoting tolerance"

    110 (4): "(4) provide trained observers to work with non-governmental organizations for purposes of creating a climate that is conducive to the respect for human rights"
    While these sound innocuous on the surface, they are codespeak for control of people's free expression. We are not talking hate speech here, there is already ample and effective legislation governing that. We are speaking of an expansion of legislative powers that will encompass religious views as well. I am well aware that this bill calls only for the creation of advisory and consultative offices; but common sense and history both indicate that these will soon be given quasi-legislative powers, followed eventually by quasi-judicial powers. We need to be wise and to discern scripturally.

    Problematic also is the following:
    SEC. 112:
    (a) Consultation in Cases of Conflict-

    • (1) In any case in which a conflict between the United States and any other government or entity is imminent or occurring, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State shall consult with the Secretary concerning nonviolent means of conflict resolution.
    • <snip>
    • (4) The Secretary shall establish a formal process of consultation in a timely manner with the Secretary of the Department of State and the Secretary of Defense--
      • (A) prior to the initiation of any armed conflict between the United States and any other nation; and
      • (B) for any matter involving the use of Department of Defense personnel within the United States.
    (b) Consultation in Drafting Treaties and Agreements- The executive branch shall consult with the Secretary in drafting treaties and peace agreements.
    These provisions will effectively hamstring ability of the United States to act in a timely manner in international situations where conflict may arise.

    It also sounds very laudable to the unwary. But we know such things never are. They are a thin edge that eventually wedges itself in and opens up opportunities for those who covet the tyrannical ability to control others with whom they do not agree. And there are many of those around. Simply look at the decisions and consequent orders made by various "human rights" tribunals around the world. We need to be wise to the wiles of the Enemy, and we need to discern that the laudable often masks pernicious attempts to bring man into subjection to philosophic concepts and enables the entry of that which leads to the unthinkable.

    I think the application—and the danger—of the aforementioned statement is aptly illustrated in Section 11 of the proposed HR808:
    (11) We are in a new millennium, and the time has come to review age-old challenges with new thinking wherein we can conceive of peace as not simply being the absence of violence, but the active presence of the capacity for a higher evolution of the human awareness, of respect, trust, and integrity; wherein we all may tap the infinite capabilities of humanity to transform consciousness and conditions which impel or compel violence at a personal, group, or national level toward developing a new understanding of, and a commitment to, compassion and love, in order to create a `shining city on a hill', the light of which is the light of nations.
    This is the thinking of humanists, secular peace movements, and the emergent church. But while sounding good and supported by various religious writings (including proof-texts taken from Scripture) it is anti-biblical. Any teaching that suggests that by application of his own efforts man can achieve a higher moral level is a false gospel.
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    Sure sounds unconstitutional to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNunnster View Post
    Hey Chris-

    I can tell you have a strong aversion to the idea of a Department of Peace, but some of your statements indicate to me that you have not read the proposed legislation itself and that you are forming your opinions based on what you've been told by someone else, which may have not been entirely accurate.

    The proposed bill - H.R. 808 - can be read at the Library of Congress site (THOMAS (Library of Congress)) . At present, there are 72 cosponsors in the House (not 288), so there is no imminent danger of this legislation passing any time soon.

    Also, there is nothing in the legislation that says "if you don't believe God is in everyone you are working against world peace". I don't know where this came from, but it sounds like an interpretation based on the spiritual leanings of someone like Williamson who may support the legislation. Again, I would encourage you to read the bill and form your own opinion instead of condemning the idea because of who else may support it.

    The idea for a Department of Peace is not some recent concept generated by New Age spiritualists to rid society of fundamentalism. The Founding Fathers - notably Benjamin Rush and Benjamin Banneker - proposed such an idea to augment the Department of War as the government was being created. The idea has been raised many times since then, but has never received enough support to become reality.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control, there is an epidemic of violence in our society that needs attention. Too many people's lives are ruined by violence - both the victims and the perpetrators. The traditional approach of locking the perpetrators up has not reduced the level of violence, so a new approach is needed. No one who supports the Department of Peace thinks the work will be easy - no "Presto" and instant results. But there is evidence that shows the types of proposals in the Department of Peace legislation will have a positive impact on reducing violence within the U.S. and abroad.

    God gave us the tools we need to counteract man's sinful nature - we just need the will to use them. It's what the Prince of Peace would want us to do.

    If you agree that violence in society is a problem that needs to be resolved, and you don't support the idea of a Department of Peace after you have studied the legislation, then I would be interested in hearing your ideas on how to address the violence problem (keeping in mind that what has been tried in the past has not worked).

    Regards,
    Ted
    Ted,
    Did you see the article was written by Jan Markel?? It is not my article.

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    Marianne Williamson is a Best-Selling New Age Author, Frequent Guest of Oprah Winfrey and is Working with Members of the US Congress to Pass Legislation that will Create a U.S. Department of Peace
    The U.S. Department of Peace is being supported by many in the satanic new age movement including Lucifer trust publishing company now renamed Lucis trust!

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    Cross Re: U.S. Department of Peace: Healing the Soul of America? -- Jan Markel

    And the insanity of the 'New=age' thought pattern continues to gain ground on traditional Sanity.

    This 'Peace' program has been recommended since the Founding Fathers were setting up our way of life????, and hasn't yet found enough votes to be passed, accepted, or even considered for a vote???, then perhaps the 'founding idiots' were wrong, and the Founding Fathers were smart enough to see the stupidity, and insanity of that thinking???? YES!! Two dummies does not a majority make.

    I can see the Government of December 8, 1941, now. Uh...,,,,... we had better see if the Secretary of Peace can let the enemy who just bombed Pearl Harbor that we are really upset, and strongly desire to seek a peaceful way to let you know that you just destroyed about seventy percent of our total Pacific Fleet, but in a nice way, of course, so we do not make the poor Japanese feel they have done anything wrong.................At this point I speak my mind, as a complete I. M. O.: Even considering a Department of 'Peace' is the most insane idea I can think of. How do you punish a 'Peace' wrong-doer????,, Give them a PRIZE, for doing as much harm as they were able, and will continue to do????? But, I Rant!!

    This old War Horse, and others like me, kept your sorry a___'s alive, so you could go insane, and fall into the trap of the Anti-Christ, by even thinking something like that could work, without the Leadership of Messiah, Jesus?????????? We are farther along the line of insanity, where Right is Wrong, and Wrong is Right, than even my fertile imagination could envision. Hitlers Green Shirts were started as an organization to enforce 'Peace.'

    Chris, Thank you for the offering. Jan's article seems to have brought the termites out of the wood. Now they must gnaw on our lifestyle openly, so we who own the house, of the USA, will better understand the hazard we face.

    Let us all take yet another moment to pray for the Soon Coming of Messiah, Jesus, to Snatch His Bride away, before the 'Termites' eat us up. AMEN (Wow, that was fun).

    Now, We must reject the idea, and concept, but work to help our insane regain their sanity, and logicality. Prophecy says we will fail, but Jesus says we must try, to save the 'least of His.' We are going to shortly be gone, and then what will 'restrain' the evil that locks the Beast into full control?? Oy, the nonbelievers are in a world of trouble, especially with not only us gone, but 'Sanity' gone with us.
    Nuff-said.

    In Messiah, His Soon Snatching of the Bride, We His Faithful Bride. Arley, hoping to see you on the way up (but don't forget that I will have tears of joy, in my eyes, and won't be able to see very well), flying on EFP (Emmanuel's Flight Plan (sort of like IFR only better)). Yeee-Haaa!! and AMEN!!!!
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    Ted,
    Did you see the article was written by Jan Markel?? It is not my article.
    Sorry, Chris. I corrected my post to respond to Jan Markell instead of you. Thanks for pointing this out.

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    The only place we can fight any of this garbage is on our knees. The most powerful place to be.

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    Default Re: U.S. Department of Peace: Healing the Soul of America? -- Jan Markel

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    The only place we can fight any of this garbage is on our knees. The most powerful place to be.
    Amen!
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    Default Re: U.S. Department of Peace: Healing the Soul of America? -- Jan Markel

    2Th 2:2 Please don't be so easily shaken and troubled by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Even if they claim to have had a vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us, don't believe them.
    2Th 2:3 Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.

    I guess my Scripture reference here is saying, there are so many "voices" coming out to say, HEY WE HAVE THE ANSWER!! No one is saying in all of this, the END is coming, or has come already. No, I don't think that's being said at all. HOWEVER!! Voices are being raised to take us away from what God has already told us. Follow His Word, His Commands, or else, well - you know!!

    In other words, as many will agree, there are SOOOOOO many things coming out these days that, as has been stated many times before, WE CAN ALMOST HEAR THE FOOTSTEPS OF JESUS COMING NOW!!

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    Default Re: U.S. Department of Peace: Healing the Soul of America? -- Jan Markel

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    Sorry, Chris. I corrected my post to respond to Jan Markell instead of you. Thanks for pointing this out.
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