The soon coming end-time war of the nations against Israel - Temple Mount Faithful

[jesuschangesall]

It seems everyone beat me to the 'AMEN' part, so I will just add: Yeee-Haaa!! and DITTO!!

2010/5770 is going down as a Very Big Year in the Last Days History of Mortal Man.

In Messiah, His Soon Snatching of the Bride. Arley

YOUR SMILIES MAKE ME LAUGH!!!!

[jesuschangesall]

If any people should know the Biblical signs concerning their nation Israel should, I find this statement from the Chairman of the Temple Mount quite exciting but sad to that their expectations are similar, yet so far apart from ours.
But I to say Amen!

You said...they should know the Biblical signs...they should...but they are blind to the truth because Israel has not accepted JESUS as their MESSIAH....in fact Israel had SO MANY old testament prophecies concerning the FIRST and the second coming of the PROMISED MESSIAH and we know that as a NATION has rejected JESUS...in fact except the disciples and other people then only a minority received HIM and Pontius Pilate wrote on the cross INRI (Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudeorum=Jesus of Nazareth King of The Jews) and the Scribes and Pharisees got mad at him and asked for the sign to be removed,but Pilate said :what is WRITTEN is WRITTEN" and the sign in Hebrew Greek and Latin stayed ...because HE IS THE KING of THE JEWS,and as we know,soon to come and reign.
But SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS is just like Physical Blindness...you just DON'T see,in fact YOU CANNOT SEE and unless The Lord gives you eyesight you stay blind...and we know that JESUS is the only one that OPENED THE EYES of THE BORN BLIND beside other wonderful miracles He performed.
So,we really cannot get mad at somebody who is blind if he cannot see....right?
The point is THE LORD has a PLAN of SALVATION for ISRAEL that will be fulfilled during the GREAT TRIBULATION and so we can rest assured that no matter what the arabs and satan and the entire world will do,many Jews will be saved during the GT,also called JACOB'S TROUBLE....so Praise The Lord for that!
So,we,the church,this great company of born again believers in Jesus have a LOVE DUTY towards ISRAEL,TO PRAY and BLESS ISRAEL and HELP them when the opportunity is given....we stem out of ISRAEL...no ISRAEL,NO JESUS NO BIBLE NO SALVATION...so we would still be DEAD in trespasses and sins,foreigner to the covenants of Israel and without GOD(YHWH) in the world and on our way TO A DEVASTATING ETERNAL HELL with the rest of the world that have not received MESSIAH JESUS ( or YESHUA)so,MAY our GREAT GOD,THE GOD OF ABRAHAM,ISAAC and JACOB BLESS ISRAEL and MERCIFULLY and GRACEFULLY save more and more of them BEFORE the GT and to HIM ETERNALY GLORY and THANKSGIVING,because HE IS THE LORD!!!!

[Hebron]

But SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS is just like Physical Blindness...you just DON'T see,in fact YOU CANNOT SEE and unless The Lord gives you eyesight you stay blind...and we know that JESUS is the only one that OPENED THE EYES of THE BORN BLIND beside other wonderful miracles He performed.
So,we really cannot get mad at somebody who is blind if he cannot see....right?

I believe that the Jewish people were used by God to show Himself through, He chose them for His own Glory to be shown.

But SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS is just like Physical Blindness...you just DON'T see,in fact YOU CANNOT SEE and unless The Lord gives you eyesight you stay blind...and we know that JESUS is the only one that OPENED THE EYES of THE BORN BLIND beside other wonderful miracles He performed.
So,we really cannot get mad at somebody who is blind if he cannot see....right?

I never said that I was mad at the Jews in fact if you knew me you would know that this was not so, but we are now living in the dispensation of Gods Grace where 'whosoever' believes on Him should not perish' and this includes the Jewish people, they are free to accept or reject the Messiah.
If they had accepted their Messiah when He came (Jesus Christ) then Christ would have set up His Kingdom, but they didn't and this allowed the Gentiles to come in, people like me and you but Jews can still be saved.

The point is THE LORD has a PLAN of SALVATION for ISRAEL that will be fulfilled during the GREAT TRIBULATION and so we can rest assured that no matter what the arabs and satan and the entire world will do,many Jews will be saved during the GT,also called JACOB'S TROUBLE....so Praise The Lord for that!

Before Christ comes to save the Nation of Israel they will have been through a nightmare of such proportions that we would find it hard to be excited about it, there are only a remnant saved and if God doesn't cut the time short for the sake of the elect then all would be lost.

So,we,the church,this great company of born again believers in Jesus have a LOVE DUTY towards ISRAEL,TO PRAY and BLESS ISRAEL and HELP them when the opportunity is given....we stem out of ISRAEL...no ISRAEL,NO JESUS NO BIBLE NO SALVATION...so we would still be DEAD in trespasses and sins,foreigner to the covenants of Israel and without GOD(YHWH) in the world and on our way TO A DEVASTATING ETERNAL HELL with the rest of the world that have not received MESSIAH JESUS ( or YESHUA)so,MAY our GREAT GOD,THE GOD OF ABRAHAM,ISAAC and JACOB BLESS ISRAEL and MERCIFULLY and GRACEFULLY save more and more of them BEFORE the GT and to HIM ETERNALY GLORY and THANKSGIVING,because HE IS THE LORD!!!!

We have to be very careful how we express ourselves, the Jewish people were the custodians of the land and are back as custodians, not for their Glory, but for the world to see Gods Glory.God is still waiting for Israel as a nation to repent and to return to their King of Kings and Lord of Lords, may He receive all the praise and the Glory. Meantime the people of that Nation are open to the Gospel just the same as you or I , There are many Blind to the gospel all over the world including Jewish people and we should pray for everyone to come to know Him as their Saviour and Lord. After all God is no respector of persons

For God does not show favouritism.Romans 2 verse 11

Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

Never the less we as Christians should certainly stand by Israel and pray for her and her people.

[Sean Osborne]

If they had accepted their Messiah when He came (Jesus Christ) then Christ would have set up His Kingdom...

I believe what jesuschangesall was referring to are the things God placed upon the Jews for their unfaithfulness and unbelief after their coming out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 29:4

"Yet the LORD has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day."

Isaiah 29:9-24 explains this in detail, and Paul in Romans 11 gives this the ultimate treatment, particularly in verses 25-27:

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:


“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

How could Israel, in part, recognize the time of their visitation, the coming of Messiah, if they had no heart to perceive, no eyes to see, no ears to hear?

Perhaps this explains why Jesus had to explain things to the Jews in parables, and moreover. why after His resurrection Jesus had to personally tutor His disciples in the Word?

Luke 24 proves this beyond a shadow of doubt. The Apostles themselves had to have Jesus unblind their eyes and open the fulness of the Scriptures to them!!!

He told them He would die and rise again in 3 days; He told them the prophecies about Himself. Yet they simply did not comprehend any of this, they did not know the Scriputres, they did not believe Mary and Mary who had been to His tomb and were told by the angel He was risen! They were spiritually blind and deaf!

This unblinding is what will occurs to ALL ISRAEL when God pours out His Spirit upon them at the end of the Gog/Magog War and during the Tribulation. That's what Isaiah and Paul both wrote in their Scriptures referenced above.

[jesuschangesall]

I believe what jesuschangesall was referring to are the things God placed upon the Jews for their unfaithfulness and unbelief after their coming out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 29:4


Isaiah 29:9-24 explains this in detail, and Paul in Romans 11 gives this the ultimate treatment, particularly in verses 25-27:



How could Israel, in part, not recognize the time of their visitation, the coming of Messiah, if they had no heart to perceive, no eyes to see, no ears to hear?

Perhaps this explains why Jesus had to explain things to the Jews in parables, and moreover why after His resurrection Jesus had to personally tutor His disciples in the Word?

Luke 24 proves this beyond a shadow of doubt. The Apostles themselves had to have Jesus unblind their eyes and open the fulness of the Scriptures to them!!!

He told them He would die and rise again in 3 days; He told them the prophecies about Himself. Yet they simply did not comprehend any of this, they did not know the Scriputres, they did not believe Mary and Mary who had been to His tomb and were told by the angel He was risen! They were spiritually blind and deaf!

This unblinding is what will occurs to ALL ISRAEL when God pours out His Spirit upon them at the end of the Gog/Magog War and during the Tribulation. That's what Isaiah and Paul both wrote in their Scriptures referenced above.

SPOT ON !!!!thanks

[Hebron]

Can I ask.
So are you saying that ALL of the Jews down through the ages will be saved?
Are you also saying that it is not possible for a Jew to be saved at this time? that redemption of the Christ on the cross is only for Gentiles?

Luke 24 proves this beyond a shadow of doubt. The Apostles themselves had to have Jesus unblind their eyes and open the fulness of the Scriptures to them!!!

I never added your font size of Luke 24 because I can see quite well even at this old age however i'll continue
But aren't we all blind until the Holy Spirit convicts us?

This unblinding is what will occur to ALL ISRAEL when God pours out His Spirit upon them at the end of the Gog/Magog War and during the Tribulation. That's what Isaiah and Paul both wrote in their Scriptures referenced above.

John 19 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.


Zechariah 12:10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Revelation 1:7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

I'm afraid it is at the Tribulations end when Israel as a Nation Israel shall look on the one who is their Messiah and only then believe...then the mourning begins...As a Nation

[mattfivefour]

There is an interesting conundrum in the linguistic interpretation of Romans 11:25. The words translated "in part" are ἀπὸ μέρους (apo merous). Merous is the genitive neuter case of the the noun meros, and depending if we take this to be a genitive of agency, or of cause, or of source, we can interpret the phrase differently. It could refer to a "partial blindness" come upon Israel; it could refer to Israel's hardness being "part of the cause" of their blindness; or it could refer to "part of Israel" being blinded. And it has been translated in all three ways. So we need to be careful of being overly dogmatic about Israel and her blindness.

The fact does remain, however, that the Jews rejection of Him was no surprise to God. It was predicted. And it all played into God's perfect plan that through Abraham and his seed all the nations of the world should be blessed. Thus we have—in partial but powerful, wonderful, and magnificent fulfillment of that—the current time of the Gentiles in which the world has been living for almost two thousand years and during which we and countless millions have been granted entrance into His eternal Kingdom through His grace as shown to us in His Son, Jesus. This age is rapidly coming to a close, however. Time is short, and soon the doors of grace will close and the days of wrath will begin. Yet, following the Tribulation, will come the final and great fulfillment of that awesome promise given to Abraham and truly all the nations of the world will be blessed by Israel, with Christ Himself ruling and reigning in Jerusalem. Hallelujah!!!

[Hebron]

There is an interesting conundrum in the linguistic interpretation of Romans 11:25. The words translated "in part" are ἀπὸ μέρους (apo merous). Merous is the genitive neuter case of the the noun meros, and depending if we take this to be a genitive of agency, or of cause, or of source, we can interpret the phrase differently. It could refer to a "partial blindness" come upon Israel; it could refer to Israel's hardness being "part of the cause" of their blindness; or it could refer to "part of Israel" being blinded. And it has been translated in all three ways. So we need to be careful of being overly dogmatic about Israel and her blindness.

I agree especially since many were saved during and after Christ returned into Heaven, so it is not a hard fact that all Jewish peoples hearts were hardened to the Gospel message at that time either.
The Gospel is open to everyone, Paul himself wrote
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Christ and the blood shed at the cross of Calvary was not for the few or just for the Gentile but for everyone.

[Sean Osborne]

Can I ask.
So are you saying that ALL of the Jews down through the ages will be saved?

In answering this question I will instead pose two questions so readers may come to their own conclusion based upon the Word of God as manifest through Isaiah and Paul and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

(It is my conviction that "Lebanon" is symbolic of the redeemed gentiles, at first a "fruitful field", then to become an "esteemed forest.") This is the "fulness of the gentiles" that shall come into the Kingdom prior to the Tribulation (Antichrist is "the terrible one" and the False Prophet is "scornful one" as relates to the general timing of when the eyes shall see and they will learn doctrine in the same maaner as Jesus taught the disciples doctrine referenced in my post above.)

Isaiah 29:17-24

Future Recovery of Wisdom

Is it not yet a very little while
Till Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field,
And the fruitful field be esteemed as a forest?
In that day the deaf shall hear the words of the book,
And the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness.
The humble also shall increase their joy in the LORD,
And the poor among men shall rejoice
In the Holy One of Israel.
For the terrible one is brought to nothing,
The scornful one is consumed,
And all who watch for iniquity are cut off—
Who make a man an offender by a word,
And lay a snare for him who reproves in the gate,
And turn aside the just by empty words.

Therefore thus says the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob:


“ Jacob shall not now be ashamed,
Nor shall his face now grow pale;
But when he sees his children,
The work of My hands, in his midst,
They will hallow My name,
And hallow the Holy One of Jacob,
And fear the God of Israel.
These also who erred in spirit will come to understanding,
And those who complained will learn doctrine.”

What did Paul say?

Verse 26: "And so all (pas)
Israel will be saved: as it is written..." (sōzō)

Verses 28-32: "Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all."

Are you also saying that it is not possible for a Jew to be saved at this time? that redemption of the Christ on the cross is only for Gentiles?

I said no such thing. Everyone knows there have been saved Jews from Jesus day to the present, and there will be more saved until the Lord pours out His Spirit upon the whole of Israel. What I said was a precise repetition of what Paul said (emphasis added for your understanding):

"For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in."

[Sean Osborne]

There is an interesting conundrum in the linguistic interpretation of Romans 11:25. The words translated "in part" are ἀπὸ μέρους (apo merous). Merous is the genitive neuter case of the the noun meros, and depending if we take this to be a genitive of agency, or of cause, or of source, we can interpret the phrase differently. It could refer to a "partial blindness" come upon Israel; it could refer to Israel's hardness being "part of the cause" of their blindness; or it could refer to "part of Israel" being blinded. And it has been translated in all three ways. So we need to be careful of being overly dogmatic about Israel and her blindness.

Scripture illuminates, reveals and defines Scripture. The meaning of Romans 11:25 has to be taken in the context of its origins in the words of Moses from Deuteronomy and Isaiah. The "in part" means "one of the constituent parts of a whole." I have been stressing the "in part" every time I bring this subject up.

The fact does remain, however, that the Jews rejection of Him was no surprise to God. It was predicted.

Yes, precisely. This is exactly as Paul explains it. It is the Lord's perfect plan which allows for human free will.