On the ground in Israel - for Ronen

[Chris]

Ronen,
Do you guys have a sense that war is coming soon over there in Israel? It seems from the news that we get here that things would seem to be headed that way. Many people here are noticing the unusual rhetoric between Israel and Syria the last week. It seems like things are getting tense. I had someone the other day say they couldn't remember such sharp exchanges in the past as they have been the last few days.

I'm not sure what you opinion is of Lieberman, but he seems to tell it like it is. And he seems to be genuine on doing what is best for Israel. What do Israelis on the street think of Lieberman? I think he's done a good job since he took office.

It seems there are two camps in Israel, one that wants to give away land and the other camp that doesn't. I personally am against anymore land giveaways as we've seen how Gaza turned out. I think the west bank would probably end up the same way.

But that is just my observations.

Do you have any insights to share with us Ronen?

[ronen]

Ronen,
Do you guys have a sense that war is coming soon over there in Israel? It seems from the news that we get here that things would seem to be headed that way. Many people here are noticing the unusual rhetoric between Israel and Syria the last week. It seems like things are getting tense. I had someone the other day say they couldn't remember such sharp exchanges in the past as they have been the last few days.

I'm not sure what you opinion is of Lieberman, but he seems to tell it like it is. And he seems to be genuine on doing what is best for Israel. What do Israelis on the street think of Lieberman? I think he's done a good job since he took office.

It seems there are two camps in Israel, one that wants to give away land and the other camp that doesn't. I personally am against anymore land giveaways as we've seen how Gaza turned out. I think the west bank would probably end up the same way.

But that is just my observations.

Do you have any insights to share with us Ronen?

i dont expect any war with syria. we had these same exchanges of words last year.
lets remember that no arab army attacked israel for 35 years.
that is when they were told that we are nuclear.
paramilitaries are a different matter of course, but a less dangerous one.

liberman i dont know personally but i think he is an example of a well known phenomenon for religious people:
converts are often more zealous than the rest of the community. he is an israeli from russia but he lives in a settlement and preaches what he preaches. im not saying settlements are bad and im not saying that the opinions he voices are wrong, but it is strange for me that he is the one that ended up leading the camp of those that dont believe in peace. i think it would be more natural for someone who spent his whole life here and lost family members here to be in that position instead. dont know if i managed to express my opinion clearly...

as for giving land, that is a more complex question. i will need some time to formulate my answer.

[Chris]

It is always hard to tell whether things will escalate to conflict or whether some situation is as we've discussed here before the usual "ebb and flow" of Middle Eastern politics. I guess only time will tell on that issue.

Lieberman reminds me of some of the hawks in George W. Bush's administration that didn't back down from exchanges, etc. All the too often we hear of a rant or rave from some Middle Eastern Islamic country about putting the smackdown on Israel. But oftentimes the Israelis just make a subtle remark back. Sometimes it is good to have someone like Lieberman stand up for Israel and dish it out to the Islamics. About the only language these days the Islamics understand is the language of force.

JMHO.

[ronen]

words are just words. he can afford to speak like he does because he doesnt have to carry the responsibility that the prime minister carries. i dont think he impresses anybody.

as for the land..
i think most israelis recognize the arab claim over this land.
each to a different degree, but i think most still recognize it in principal.

the problem is this.
LINK: The deadly threats of Hizbullah and Iran (i didnt read what is written there i only looked for pictures.)
the arabs are poisoned by the same poison that germans used in the 1930's.
how can you reach agreements with someone who does not see straight?

[Chris]

words are just words. he can afford to speak like he does because he doesnt have to carry the responsibility that the prime minister carries. i dont think he impresses anybody.

as for the land..
i think most israelis recognize the arab claim over this land.
each to a different degree, but i think most still recognize it in principal.

the problem is this.
LINK: The deadly threats of Hizbullah and Iran (i didnt read what is written there i only looked for pictures.)
the arabs are poisoned by the same poison that germans used in the 1930's.
how can you reach agreements with someone who does not see straight?

Well, personally I like Lieberman and the things he says. IMHO he's a lot better than give it all away Livni or Barak.

I don't think there is any Arab claim over the land. The Bible says that God gave the Jews the land of Israel and that it was forever. There's always been a Jewish presence in the land 9Jerusalem) and in 1850 or 1860's Mark Twain visited the land of Israel (then known as Palestine as labeled by Israel's enemies) and did not see a person for 40 miles. Where were all the Palestinians then? In their original home countries. The "Palestinians" I believe came over after the Jews built up the land and made it into something. Which can't be said for the majority of the surrounding Islamic lands. The Islamics have a better standard of living in Israel than they do in their own countries.

Those pictures are the ones we usually see in the conservative news, you will never see the liberal newspaper rags here show those photos. The problem with Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran is that they will never allow the Israelis to make a meaningful and genuine peace deal with their surrounding neighbors. The terrorist organizations will continue to fan the flames of hatred and anti-semitism. The terrorist organizations will not allow the surrounding countries to make peace with Israel because it is against Islam to make peace with Israel. The only thing the Islamics seek is the destruction of Israel. One way or another.

[ronen]

im sorry if i kept you waiting. i was preparing some food.
barak and bibi are both proven leaders. barak has made big mistakes. especially with our allies in lebanon.
but both are proven leaders. livni is a nobody.
her entire reputation was made by the press.
foreign press and the israeli left press wrote about her endlessly and in a generally positive way.
but she was virtually unknown only several years ago.

i heard about what mark twain said. and i want to add that i read tom soyer when i was 5. i probably read this story 5 times too.
but i cant accept his account.
there is no logical reason for this entire land to be uninhabited.
some of them indeed came here because we came here. but not all of them.

as i said the problem is that they poisoned themselves. not all of them are afflicted with this poison though. and i truly feel guilty about the suffering we cause to those that are just regular people.
but so many of them are poisoned. so many that you wouldnt believe. the middle east is hell upon earth.

[Chris]

im sorry if i kept you waiting. i was preparing some food.
barak and bibi are both proven leaders. barak has made big mistakes. especially with our allies in lebanon.
but both are proven leaders. livni is a nobody.
her entire reputation was made by the press.
foreign press and the israeli left press wrote about her endlessly and in a generally positive way.
but she was virtually unknown only several years ago.

i heard about what mark twain said. and i want to add that i read tom soyer when i was 5. i probably read this story 5 times too.
but i cant accept his account.
there is no logical reason for this entire land to be uninhabited.
some of them indeed came here because we came here. but not all of them.

as i said the problem is that they poisoned themselves. not all of them are afflicted with this poison though. and i truly feel guilty about the suffering we cause to those that are just regular people.
but so many of them are poisoned. so many that you wouldnt believe. the middle east is hell upon earth.

I think Mark Twain said that the area was like a "wasteland" in that hardly anyone was there. The people that were there might have been mainly in the cities like Jerusalem and the small villages, etc. He might have gone 40 miles and not seen anyone. He was probably covering a larger area than what is Israel today. I think the point about the Palestinians is that there are a few that were probably there like there were a few Jews there at the time. But we know there has never been a Palestinian economy, culture, nation, government, etc. I believe the "Palestinian" label is simply one created by the powers that be in order to try to force a peace deal between the rightful people of the land (the Jews) and those who are really the occupiers (the Palestinians) of the land.

The problem with all this man made peace process is that it is not just physical, but there is a spiritual element as well and that I believe only the Lord will be able to solve this situation. Man made attempts to do so will just result in more failure, conflict, and sorrow. We are seeing a lot of the same spirit of Hitler in Ahmadinejad, etc. I think unfortunately when we look at Bible prophecy, things are going to get much worse before it gets better.

[ronen]

I think Mark Twain said that the area was like a "wasteland" in that hardly anyone was there. The people that were there might have been mainly in the cities like Jerusalem and the small villages, etc. He might have gone 40 miles and not seen anyone. He was probably covering a larger area than what is Israel today. I think the point about the Palestinians is that there are a few that were probably there like there were a few Jews there at the time. But we know there has never been a Palestinian economy, culture, nation, government, etc. I believe the "Palestinian" label is simply one created by the powers that be in order to try to force a peace deal between the rightful people of the land (the Jews) and those who are really the occupiers (the Palestinians) of the land.

The problem with all this man made peace process is that it is not just physical, but there is a spiritual element as well and that I believe only the Lord will be able to solve this situation. Man made attempts to do so will just result in more failure, conflict, and sorrow. We are seeing a lot of the same spirit of Hitler in Ahmadinejad, etc. I think unfortunately when we look at Bible prophecy, things are going to get much worse before it gets better.

as for your first point.. well okay if dont call them palestinians but just arabs, than what?
now they do have a culture (such as it is).
and a nation.
i think you are making the wrong argument here.

also what should they care for the land was promised? its not their book.

as for the second paragraph.. i too believe their hatred is unnatural.
i think it can only be an act of god. the problem itself has a solution, but the two of us will probably not reach it.

[ronen]

are you evangelist?

[Chris]

as for your first point.. well okay if dont call them palestinians but just arabs, than what?
now they do have a culture (such as it is).
and a nation.
i think you are making the wrong argument here.

They don't have a culture, nation, economy, etc. Never have. All that supposed stuff was invented recently to add credibility to their cause. I find it very telling that the Palestinians (as you mentioned Jordan is a majority state of Palestinians) won't even take their own people in and absorb them. Why does no one want their own people? Because the Palestinians are simply an Islamic object to use in order to try to pry the Holy Land from the Jews. And the one behind that is the devil himself. JMHO.

also what should they care for the land was promised? its not their book.

as for the second paragraph.. i too believe their hatred is unnatural.
i think it can only be an act of god. the problem itself has a solution, but the two of us will probably not reach it.

Their hatred is the continuation of the physical and spiritual Isaac and Ishmael saga. The Islamics are driven by Satan and his hatred towards the Jewish people. There is no other source for anti-semitism. It is not an act of God. The hatred is unnatural.

The only one who will solve the problems of the Middle East are the Lord. Unfortunately, all of man's efforts will result in failure, conflict, and sorrow.

[Chris]

are you evangelist?

What do you mean by "evangelist"??

[ronen]

...Their hatred is the continuation of the physical and spiritual Isaac and Ishmael saga. The Islamics are driven by Satan and his hatred towards the Jewish people. There is no other source for anti-semitism. It is not an act of God. The hatred is unnatural.

The only one who will solve the problems of the Middle East are the Lord. Unfortunately, all of man's efforts will result in failure, conflict, and sorrow.

maybe you are right about itshak and ishmael. but what about germany in the 1930's?
i think the two are too much alike to not see the connection.

i think (and that is just my opinion) that god has put us all under the test.
we each are born into a different situation and god wants to see how we cope.
for instance i think that your test as an american is not easier than ours.
probably even harder.
we resist them because we are not given any other choice.
but you are given other choices. they repeat day and night that they will accept you.
all you need to do is renounce us. and you will have the handshakes of all leaders of the world.
no more problems with russia no more problems with venezuela iran etc.
it is the united states where the statue of liberty stands not israel.
its you that all the weak nations of the world look up to.
i think if we are judged than you at least are on the safe.

edit: maybe i should have used the word denounce. im not sure. my english is not that great.

[ronen]

What do you mean by "evangelist"??

my understanding of the term is rudimentary. but you know what i mean.

oops.. i meant evangelical
i guess its not the same

[Chris]

maybe you are right about itshak and ishmael. but what about germany in the 1930's?
i think the two are too much alike to not see the connection.

i think (and that is just my opinion) that god has put us all under the test.
we each are born into a different situation and god wants to see how we cope.
for instance i think that your test as an american is not easier than ours.
probably even harder.
we resist them because we are not given any other choice.
but you are given other choices. they repeat day and night that they will accept you.
all you need to do is renounce us. and you will have the handshakes of all leaders of the world.
no more problems with russia no more problems with venezuela iran etc.
it is the united states where the statue of liberty stands not israel.
its you that all the weak nations of the world look up to.
i think if we are judged than you at least are on the safe.

edit: maybe i should have used the word denounce. im not sure. my english is not that great.

I'm sorry. I didn't understand your question about Germany in the 1930's? Who are you saying that is alike?

Don't worry about your English, you're doing fine.

[ronen]

the nazies and the muslim guys that want us dead.
they are very much alike at least in my eyes. they speak alike and reason alike.

i mean, i think that both hatreds are from the same place. and ishamel and itshak have nothing to do with the germans.
so i dont think ishmael and itshak are the reason for the current muslim israeli conflict

[Chris]

my understanding of the term is rudimentary. but you know what i mean.

oops.. i meant evangelical
i guess its not the same

Yes, you could call us evangelical. We believe that God has given the Jews the land of Israel and that it doesn't belong to anyone else. While there are Arabs in your mist, we believe that while the Arabs (or Islamics) should be able to dwell in peace with you, that God intends for the Jews to control the land as he gave it to them in the eternal covenant with Israel. We believe what the Bible says over what man says. We gonna hold up God's Word ( as found in the Bible) and not the words of men.

[Chris]

the nazies and the muslim guys that want us dead.
they are very much alike at least in my eyes. they speak alike and reason alike.

i mean, i think that both hatreds are from the same place. and ishamel and itshak have nothing to do with the germans.
so i dont think ishmael and itshak are the reason for the current muslim israeli conflict

Yes, I agree with you. The same satanic spirit that guided the Germans also guides the Isalmics who want Israel destroyed. I believe this is all the same spirit. It comes from the devil. There's just no other explanation for all that hatred towards God's people.

[ronen]

what do you think about my theory that god test us?

revelation, i notice you here for some time now. why dont you throw in your two cents?

[Chris]

what do you think about my theory that god test us?

revelation, i notice you here for some time now. why dont you throw in your two cents?

I think we all have trials and tribulations, but I don't think we can read the mind of God and say yes this or that is my test? I think the ultimate test (the most important and in the end only one that matters) is whether we will accept the way God has provided to mankind in order to be reconciled to Him. Will we accept the way of salvation that God has provided?

We have a section on the main site that gives a verse by verse coverage of the book of Revelation. Have you had a chance to read it yet?

The Book of Revelation - Revelation Bible Prophecy

What do you want me to comment on about Revelation? There's a lot to cover in that book.

[ronen]

I think we all have trials and tribulations, but I don't think we can read the mind of God and say yes this or that is my test? I think the ultimate test (the most important and in the end only one that matters) is whether we will accept the way God has provided to mankind in order to be reconciled to Him. Will we accept the way of salvation that God has provided?

We have a section on the main site that gives a verse by verse coverage of the book of Revelation. Have you had a chance to read it yet?

The Book of Revelation - Revelation Bible Prophecy

What do you want me to comment on about Revelation? There's a lot to cover in that book.

i havent seen it. and i never had a chance to read the book of revelation. it is part of the new testament.
i cant even boast about reading the entire old testament (let alone understand it)