A question for Sean : Iran

[Keith]

A question for Sean : Iran

What do they lack in their quest for a nuclear weapon? Anything at all? Is all thats left for them to do is build it?

Also if they have everything they need do you know approx. how long it'd take to build one?

I figure if anyone on here knows its probably you.

[Sean Osborne]

A question for Sean : Iran

What do they lack in their quest for a nuclear weapon? Anything at all? Is all thats left for them to do is build it?

Also if they have everything they need do you know approx. how long it'd take to build one?

I figure if anyone on here knows its probably you.

Keith,

I believe, and have previously posted the basis for my belief within these RF forums, that Iran lacks nothing in their quest for a working nuclear weapon. They also have workable intermediate range and long-range delivery systems. Intermediate range targets are missile borne to the target . Long range targets are shipborne to the target. Time is no longer a factor of any relevance to this issue. Iran has "the bomb" and the means to deliver it.

[Robert]

In short: time ran out, and they got the weapon they have been salivating for.

[Keith]

So that makes me think that they just haven't built one yet because if they had i'm convinced they'd use it.

[Sean Osborne]

The United States is the only nation to have built and used a nuclear weapon (during wartime). The other members of the global nuclear weapons club have never used a nuclear weapon during warfare.

For all of their bellicose Islamic rhetoric the Iranian's have not done so either. I believe this is because: A) they are not as stupid and suicidal as they like us to believe, and B) by nuking an enemy state they would not be alive to witness the arrival of their eagerly anticipated al-Mahdi.

That the "al-Mahdi" would be a "no-show" is irrelevant to the end-game point that Iran would cease to exist prior to Ezekiel 38/39.

This alone is the best reason to cite against the Iranian use of their nuclear weapons until the time of that conflict arrives. This reason is consisitent with Biblical prophecy.

However, we can not point out the same for their Syrian allies.

[Keith]

The United States is the only nation to have built and used a nuclear weapon (during wartime). The other members of the global nuclear weapons club have never used a nuclear weapon during warfare.

For all of their bellicose Islamic rhetoric the Iranian's have not done so either. I believe this is because: A) they are not as stupid and suicidal as they like us to believe, and B) by nuking an enemy state they would not be alive to witness the arrival of their eagerly anticipated al-Mahdi.

That the "al-Mahdi" would be a "no-show" is irrelevant to the end-game point that Iran would cease to exist prior to Ezekiel 38/39.

This alone is the best reason to cite against the Iranian use of their nuclear weapons until the time of that conflict arrives. This reason is consisitent with Biblical prophecy.

However, we can not point out the same for their Syrian allies.

Yes, I suppose if they build one there is nothing keeping them from giving it to Syria, after all they smuggle everything else to them (which really isn't smuggling if everyone knows about it).

[Sean Osborne]

Yes, I suppose if they build one there is nothing keeping them from giving it to Syria, after all they smuggle everything else to them (which really isn't smuggling if everyone knows about it).

That's it precisely, Iran building a nuke weapon and giving it to a terrorist proxy to deliver on time and on target.

[Suzanne]

That's it precisely, Iran building a nuke weapon and giving it to a terrorist proxy to deliver on time and on target.

Isn't Syria more likely to use chemical weapons?

[Sean Osborne]

Isn't Syria more likely to use chemical weapons?

With respect to Isaiah 17, yes, this is quite probably true. No smuggling involved either.

[Suzanne]

With respect to Isaiah 17, yes, this is quite probably true. No smuggling involved either.

I thought so! The Israeli government has been passing out gas masks and having civilian drills, so that's what TPTB seem to think.

[Keith]

And we all know Israel will respond with extreme force if their people are targeted with chemical weapons as anyone would, especially the U.S. You know the world community will castigate them for it anyway though when it happens.

[Sean Osborne]

And we all know Israel will respond with extreme force if their people are targeted with chemical weapons as anyone would, especially the U.S. You know the world community will castigate them for it anyway though when it happens.

Not to get to far off the subject of this thread, but yes, "espeically the US" is a correct statement. Iraqi WMD was used against the US in the fall of 2001. That WMD was Iraqi weaponized Anthrax. That attack was, perpetrated by Al Qaeda, one of the primary reasons the war against Iraq occurred in 2003.

[Suzanne]

Not to get to far off the subject of this thread, but yes, "espeically the US" is a correct statement. Iraqi WMD was used against the US in the fall of 2001. That WMD was Iraqi weaponized Anthrax. That attack was, perpetrated by Al Qaeda, one of the primary reasons the war against Iraq occurred in 2003.

I don't want to derail the thread too much, but I would like for you to explain the above statement in a little more detail.

[Keith]

I'm at the point now of wondering whats gonna be the thing to set all this off.

[Sean Osborne]

I don't want to derail the thread too much, but I would like for you to explain the above statement in a little more detail.

Sorry for the delay Suzanne, I missed seeing this request for a little more detail. The truth about Iraqi WMD is one of the biggest lies to be propagated by corporate media in the past several years. It was also a truth which TPTB ("Global Oligarchy") also was overwhelmingly successful in getting the Administration of president George W. Bush as well as a few genuine truth tellers in corporate media to stand down on. In short the truth about the whole of Iraqi WMD was and continues to be very well suppressed by an agenda which is held to be far superior to that truth.

This could be a thread topic in its own right, so I'll just post what has been requested, a little more detail with some embedded links to additional data.

The Washington Post (WaPo and very much a corporate media and TPTB mouthpiece) posted an article on Tuesday (Jan 26th) entitled "Report: Al-Qaeda aims to hit U.S. with WMDs" which was in turn picked up by MSNBC.com (another corporate media and TPTB mouthpiece). As of this morning the WaPo report has been removed from the MSNBC website. It has been removed because many still existent truth-tellers have raised a storm of protest regarding the content of the original article.

I, as a matter of OSINT (Open Source INTelligence) collection routine, saved such "evidence' for future referencing. Here is that report as it appeared on the MSNBC website:

Report: Al-Qaida aims to hit U.S. with WMDs
Huge attack is top strategic goal, not ‘empty rhetoric,’ ex-CIA official says
By Joby Warrick
The Washington Post
updated 2:31 a.m. ET, Tues., Jan. 26, 2010

When al-Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, called off a planned chemical attack on New York's subway system in 2003, he offered a chilling explanation: The plot to unleash poison gas on New Yorkers was being dropped for "something better," Zawahiri said in a message intercepted by U.S. eavesdroppers.

The meaning of Zawahiri's cryptic threat remains unclear more than six years later, but a new report warns that al-Qaeda has not abandoned its goal of attacking the United States with a chemical, biological or even nuclear weapon.

The report, by a former senior CIA official who led the agency's hunt for weapons of mass destruction, portrays al-Qaeda's leaders as determined and patient, willing to wait for years to acquire the kind of weapons that could inflict widespread casualties.

The former official, Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, draws on his knowledge of classified case files to argue that al-Qaeda has been far more sophisticated in its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction than is commonly believed, pursuing parallel paths to acquiring weapons and forging alliances with groups that can offer resources and expertise.

"If Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants had been interested in . . . small-scale attacks, there is little doubt they could have done so now," Mowatt-Larssen writes in a report released Monday by the Harvard Kennedy School of Government's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.

Deadly strains of anthrax
The report comes as a panel on weapons of mass destruction appointed by Congress prepares to release a new assessment of the federal government's preparedness for such an attack. The review by the bipartisan Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism is particularly critical of the Obama administration's actions so far in hardening the country's defenses against bioterrorism, according to two former government officials who have seen drafts of the report.

The commission's initial report in December 2008 warned that a terrorist attack using weapons of mass destruction was likely by 2013.

Mowatt-Larssen, a 23-year CIA veteran, led the agency's internal task force on al-Qaeda and weapons of mass destruction after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and later was named director of intelligence and counterintelligence for the Energy Department. His report warns that bin Laden's threat to attack the West with weapons of mass destruction is not "empty rhetoric" but a top strategic goal for an organization that seeks the economic ruin of the United States and its allies to hasten the overthrow of pro-Western governments in the Islamic world.

He cites patterns in al-Qaeda's 15-year pursuit of weapons of mass destruction that reflect a deliberateness and sophistication in assembling the needed expertise and equipment. He describes how Zawahiri hired two scientists -- a Pakistani microbiologist sympathetic to al-Qaeda and a Malaysian army captain trained in the United States -- to work separately on efforts to build a biological weapons lab and acquire deadly strains of anthrax bacteria. Al-Qaeda achieved both goals before September 2001 but apparently had not successfully weaponized the anthrax spores when the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan forced the scientists to flee, Mowatt-Larssen said.

"This was far from run-of-the-mill terrorism," he said in an interview. "The program was highly compartmentalized, at the highest level of the organization. It was methodical, and it was professional."


'Not just trying to scare people'
Mowatt-Larssen said he has seen no evidence linking al-Qaeda's program with the anthrax attacks on U.S. politicians and news outlets in 2001. Zawahiri's plan was aimed at mass casualties and "not just trying to scare people with a few letters," he said.

Evidence from al-Qaeda documents and interrogations suggests that terrorists leaders had settled on anthrax as the weapon of choice and believed that the tools for a major biological attack were within their grasp, the former CIA official said. Al-Qaeda remained interested in nuclear weapons as well but understood that the odds of success were much longer.

"They realized they needed a lucky break," Mowatt-Larssen said. "That meant buying or stealing fissile material or acquiring a stolen bomb."

Bush administration officials feared that bin Laden was close to obtaining nuclear weapons in 2003 after U.S. spies picked up a cryptic message by a Saudi affiliate of al-Qaeda referring to plans to obtain three stolen Russian nuclear devices. The intercepts prompted the U.S. and Saudi governments to go on alert and later led to an aggressive Saudi crackdown that resulted in the arrest or killing of dozens of suspected al-Qaeda associates.

After that, terrorists' chatter about a possible nuclear acquisition halted abruptly, but U.S. officials were never certain whether the plot was dismantled or simply pushed deeper underground.

"The crackdown was so successful," Mowatt-Larssen said, "that intelligence about the program basically dried up."


© 2010 The Washington Post Company
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35072269...news-security/

The one key sentence from the above original WaPo article has been placed in bold red lettering. Amazingly, the truth of the matter follows within a few words and is found in bold blue lettering.

To repeat the lie and the truth:

The Lie: "no evidence linking al-Qaeda's program with the anthrax attacks on U.S. politicians and news outlets in 2001."

The Truth: "Evidence from al-Qaeda documents and interrogations suggests that terrorists leaders had settled on anthrax as the weapon of choice and believed that the tools for a major biological attack were within their grasp..."

The evidence also exists in the samples collected from those letters and in minimum of at least 68 victims who were killed or harmed the 2001 anthrax attacks.

Back to the lie about "no evidence." No evidence? Baloney. Such evidence (dots to be connected) has been available for years. What's missing are unbiased dot connectors. Where did Al Qaeda get its antrhax bio weapon? Iraq. The key fingerprint of Iraq involvement is the additive known as bentonite found on the anthrax spores. Iraq was the ONLY country in the world whose biological weaponization program used bentonite as an additive on anthrax.

Al Qaeda's anthrax bioweapon was delived in a very simple, inexpensive, well established distribution system. The U.S. Mail. Those several lettered containing the live anthrax spores were placed in ltters within envelopes which were BOTH hand-written. This hand writing was intended as a clue to the origin of the attack.

This hand writing was virtually identical to the hand-written pre-9/11 car rental agreements of one Mohamed Atta. I think intelligence agency of the Czech Republic had it right from the get-go regarding the meeting between Mohamed Atta and his Iraqi handler, Ahmad Samir al-Ani during spring 2001. Ahmad Samir al-Ani was well-known at that time to be Saddam Hussein's top spy in Prague, Czech Republic.

Then there's the 1 micron size dry particulate matter mixing machine which was purchased (funded via check kiting scheme) by Pakistani national Syed Athar Abbas and which mysteriously disappeared without a trace from a false business front in Ft. Lee, NJ during the same general time frame - early 2001. Syed Athas Abbas is known to have had a direct, same address connection with two of the 9/11 highjackers of American Airlines Flight 77 (hit the Pentagon).

Then there's a certain Iraqi-born microbilogist in NYC who specialized in bacillus anthrasis and its research substitute bacillus subtillis who had direct connections to Islamic and Iraqi-sponsored terrorists in the 1993 WTC bombing. This Iraqi was and is known to US authorities. He has been free to move about ever since 9/11 and to teach microbioogy in a New York university. He is somewhere in the US today.

Another 9/11 highjacker, Ahmed Al-Haznawi, was onboard United Airlines Flight 93. He is known to have contract cutaneous anthrax in the several weeks prior to September 11, 2001. In June 2001 Ahmed Al-Haznawi was treated at Holy Cross Hospital in Ft. Lauderdale by Dr. Christos Tsonas. Another hijacker, Ziad al-Jarrah, accompanied Al-Haznawi to the hospital. Dr. Tsonas is on record (New York Times) saying the lesion he treated on Al-Haznawi's leg was "consistent with cutaneous anthrax." The medicine Dr. Tsonas prescribed for the lesion was found among Al-Haznawi's possessions after 9/11.

The then Director of the FBI, John Collingwood, dismissed these and other related dots to be connected despite the fact that Atta was looking into crop dusters prior to 9/11 and Iraqi weaponized anthrax was specifically formulated for dispersion via aerial spraying. Yhe aforementioned bentonite was added to Iraqi weaponized anthrax to give it more "air time" or floatiness for wider airborne dispersion.

Mohamed Atta was almost certainly the terrorist mule who brought these Iraqi-developed bioweapon spores into the US after receiving then from Saddam Hussein's top spy in Praque during April 2001.

To conclude this "little more detail," those Iraqi WMD were used in a biowarfare attack against the United States in 2001. That use was an act of war. Despite all official and unofficial assertions to the contrary, I believe the 2001 anthrax attacks were one of the key reasons behind the Bush Administration's decision to go to war in 2003.

The bulk of the rest of the former Iraqi WMD was removed from Iraq just prior to the March 19 "going over the berm" by US and coalition land forces at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom and is now in Syrian and/or Hezbollah possession for future use against Israel and/or the United States of America..

[Keith]

I really really agree with that last sentence in your "little more info" package Sean. I've long believed that before the bombers and troops came into Iraq that they got the WMD which the media continues to say were never there or found out to Syria and Hezbollah makes sense as well. Israel must know this as well, therefore the handing out of gas masks and chemical/biological exposure exercises they've recently been practicing. They know next war that it'll be used against them.

[Sean Osborne]

Israel must know this as well, therefore the handing out of gas masks and chemical/biological exposure exercises they've recently been practicing. They know next war that it'll be used against them.

Yes, precisely. The regime in Damascus saw what happened to Iraq in a conventional war against an enemy with overwhelming superiority in land, air and sea forces.

The Syrians have no intention of fighting a conventional war against Israel this time. Hence Isaiah 17 and then Psalm 83's complete fulfillment.

[Inky]

In my opinion, I believe anyone who thinks that Saddam did not have WMD’s has been misled. Saddam used several different types of chemical weapons on his very own countrymen and I for one believe that he was in possession of or manufacturing biological weapons. To me, it does not seem farfetched for someone to say this type of weapon could have been used against the US but I have to tell you I never read anything about the anthrax attacks being tied to Saddam.

Let me pose one more question to you Sean; Doesn’t it make is difficult for Israel to try and defend against something like this and what I mean is, doesn’t it make it hard to figure out who has the bomb? Iran apparently either has or has handed off this weapon which means Israel’s intelligence community has to be on their toes tracking this thing. I have always pondered and even asked on this board, will God allow an attack of this magnitude (WMD of any type) to land on Israel soil? And again, just for clarification, will God allow Israel to suffer pain before he clothes them in His protection?

[Sean Osborne]

Inky,

A significant of the American people and millions around the world have been completely deceived regarding Saddam Hussein's WMD. Others have heard of the things I related above, but they really don't care one way or another. There are a very few who know and have written far more extensively on this subject.

As for Israel being hurt by bio-chem weapons, I believe Isaiah 17:4-6 do indeed speak to such a thing coming upon Israel early in this war. As for nuclear weapons, knowing where the fissile core of the weapon originated is a science known as nuclear forensics. Nuclear forensics are basically scientific methodologies that are applied in determining precisely which parent reactor matches the isotope fingerprint of the nuclear core of a given nuclear weapon.

[Navyblue]

Sean, Shalom.

I offer a thought that has been bothering me for a few months, but since I cannot document the How, to the what, I have been silent. You seem to, perhaps, have the information, or not, that would/could give a slight credibility to what I saw: Damascus is not Nuked by Israel, but by a Nuclear weapon aimed 'at' Israel, which goes awry, and obliterates Damascus, through an errant guidance system. This has been haunting me for almost a year, and will not go away.

IMO, Iran has built at least one Nuclear weapon, but will build two more before taking action. My vision indicated that only one would be launched, which would destroy Damascus. The 'Rush' would be on then to find a way to blame Israel for the launch. I save the rest of the vision, as it didn't contribute to the overall scenario of events.

I agree with you about the WMD and where they probably went.

In Messiah, Keep the watch, and do not hesitate to warn the people when you see something on the horizon. Arley