THe evolution of the implant that the Beast will compel upon humanity.

[makememeek]

Revelation 13.

While Robert Disagrees, I beg to differ and say that
the development of what will be TMOTB has several progressions and stages.
And it has taken the development of microchips (1968) over 40 years ago to bring it to pass.
First, the quality of the implant.
(1) first able to record simple information, like a person's identitiy.
(2) later versions (today) able to record SSN, and more detailed information.
(3) by the time of the Beast (soon) the implants will hold all key finiancial information
enabling it to be an implanted DEBIT chip.

And then the dispersion of the implants.

1) starting with dogs and cats.\
2) volunteers.
3) security workers and scientists
4) criminals
50 in the Great Tribulation, EVERYBODY.

[mattfivefour]

Nobody is disputing any of that, meek. Robert's point is that you cannot take it unknowingly, nor will any of us Christians have to worry about it because we will not be here when the Mark of the Beast comes into effect.

[Meg]

Does that mean we can't discuss this? I spotted the closed thread, and Matt's remark that people will take the mark and knowingly reject Jesus Christ when they do. That was a compelling statement, especially since I have quite a few family members who will live to see that happen.

[Matthew-59]

Greetings everyone.

I find it absolutely fascinating how science and technology has exploded in the last 20+ years to the point we are at today, and it will keep going, at least until Jesus comes back. I'm 46 yrs old and have seen so many things emerge onto the world scene that were considered science fiction when I was a kid. Cell phones for one example. So, it does not surprise me at all of how advanced the implantable microchip, or RFID chip, has come. I believe we have the techno-know-how already to distribute it amongst the world's population. I heard there's a company out in California who is already making them by the millions. As a pretrib rapture believer, I don't think we'll see the implementation of this going world-wide, so the fact that it's already here tells me we must be close to the rapture. Just how close?? I wish I knew.

I wonder though, just how long after the rapture will this chip be enforced or "offered" to the people who are still here? Any guesses??

Boy, I'd hate to have to be here to see that happen, and then be asked to take the chip or MOTB. Turning it down is the only option, but in-so-doing one knows ones head must come off. Yikes! What a terrifying decision to have to make. I feel sorry for those who will be here to make that decision. I pray God gives them the strength to make the right one... as we know some will.

I have another question....
Is it already mandatory for animals to be chipped? I had heard that it was supposed to be mandatory for all domestic animals at least, by June of last year (2009). Is it??

[mattfivefour]

Does that mean we can't discuss this? I spotted the closed thread, and Matt's remark that people will take the mark and knowingly reject Jesus Christ when they do. That was a compelling statement, especially since I have quite a few family members who will live to see that happen.

Sis, please PM me with what you wanted to add. My concern is that we do not want to get into the old fear uncertainty and doom rut with discussions of the MoB. We know that it will be here after the Rapture. We know taking it will be a deliberate choice. And we know that the technology is already being developed ... and as Watchmen it is both necessary and worthwhile to note each development that brings its possibility closer. But we don't need to be getting into "The Mark is here! Watch out, Saints!" kinds of unscriptural posts ... which is why the first thread was closed.

[mattfivefour]

Greetings everyone.

Greetings, Matt-59!

I find it absolutely fascinating how science and technology has exploded in the last 20+ years to the point we are at today, and it will keep going, at least until Jesus comes back. I'm 46 yrs old and have seen so many things emerge onto the world scene that were considered science fiction when I was a kid. Cell phones for one example. So, it does not surprise me at all of how advanced the implantable microchip, or RFID chip, has come. I believe we have the techno-know-how already to distribute it amongst the world's population. I heard there's a company out in California who is already making them by the millions. As a pretrib rapture believer, I don't think we'll see the implementation of this going world-wide, so the fact that it's already here tells me we must be close to the rapture. Just how close?? I wish I knew.

I wonder though, just how long after the rapture will this chip be enforced or "offered" to the people who are still here? Any guesses??

Not even going to try, bro!

Boy, I'd hate to have to be here to see that happen, and then be asked to take the chip or MOTB. Turning it down is the only option, but in-so-doing one knows ones head must come off. Yikes! What a terrifying decision to have to make. I feel sorry for those who will be here to make that decision. I pray God gives them the strength to make the right one... as we know some will.

But how much better if they are not heere to make that decision! Which is why we need to be doing all we can to proclaim the gospel ... by mouth, by email, by tracts, by supporting ministries that proclaim the full gospel ... Cross, Blood and all.

I have another question....
Is it already mandatory for animals to be chipped? I had heard that it was supposed to be mandatory for all domestic animals at least, by June of last year (2009). Is it??

Some farm animals I believe are to be chipped rather than ear-tagged ... but whether that is now federal law in the US, I do not know. Some municipalities have dog and cat control bylaws that require pets to be chipped.

[Matthew-59]

Did I say something wrong?

[mattfivefour]

Did I say something wrong?

Not at all. You posted while I was writing a reply to Meg right before yours. My reply was meant for her. I have added a quote of her post to my reply now so you (and everybody else) can see who I was replying to. Your post was A-OK!

[Matthew-59]

Not at all. You posted while I was writing a reply to Meg right before yours. My reply was meant for her. I have added a quote of her post to my reply now so you (and everybody else) can see who I was replying to. Your post was A-OK!

Well, I guess I had to say something. How else am I gonna get post counts here.
Okay, so we're cool then. Good!

[ArmyofHeaven777]

Revelation 13.

While Robert Disagrees, I beg to differ and say that
the development of what will be TMOTB has several progressions and stages.
And it has taken the development of microchips (1968) over 40 years ago to bring it to pass.
First, the quality of the implant.
(1) first able to record simple information, like a person's identitiy.
(2) later versions (today) able to record SSN, and more detailed information.
(3) by the time of the Beast (soon) the implants will hold all key finiancial information
enabling it to be an implanted DEBIT chip.

And then the dispersion of the implants.

1) starting with dogs and cats.\
2) volunteers.
3) security workers and scientists
4) criminals
50 in the Great Tribulation, EVERYBODY.

Now we have the health care bill, the imminent cap and trade/carbon tax Harry Reid predicts will be passed before July 4th, the "social justice" gospel that's being propagandized-the entire purpose of all this is to steal wealth from EVERYONE and put it into a central bank. When the antichrist emerges, he will likely deceive everyone into taking the MOB by saying every penny stored in this centralized bank will be "shared by everyone".

Of course, Jim Wallis' "social gospel" is propaganda - the money and goods being taken from the wealthy is NOT being given to the poor.

All the cards are slowly being put in place.

[Robert]

Revelation 13.

While Robert Disagrees, I beg to differ and say that
the development of what will be TMOTB has several progressions and stages.
And it has taken the development of microchips (1968) over 40 years ago to bring it to pass.
First, the quality of the implant.
(1) first able to record simple information, like a person's identitiy.
(2) later versions (today) able to record SSN, and more detailed information.
(3) by the time of the Beast (soon) the implants will hold all key finiancial information
enabling it to be an implanted DEBIT chip.

And then the dispersion of the implants.

1) starting with dogs and cats.\
2) volunteers.
3) security workers and scientists
4) criminals
50 in the Great Tribulation, EVERYBODY.

"Disagrees"?

You said in your last topic that this WAS the MOB:

It's finally arrived! TMOTB.
Revelation 13.

First it was dogs and cats.
Then it was volunteers,
Now it's scientists and others in high-security work.
Soon the verichip will be implanted in elderly patients with dementia and Alzhiemer's Disease.
Then pedophiles and other convicts (paroled or not) will be implanted.
Then it WILL BE YOUR TURN, even before the Rapture! Unless you resist the agenda of Satan.

(emphasis mine)

Of COURSE I am going to disagree with that; but don't try to paint it as if I disagreed about the development of it, which I did NOT address.

your original post:
It's arrived! The human implantable chip.

Do not put words in my mouth; folks on this board know that if I say something, I do not "beat around the bush" on it.

Thank you for getting me riled up; I will be excusing myself from this topic now, and the board for this evening.

[Matthew-59]

But how much better if they are not heere to make that decision! Which is why we need to be doing all we can to proclaim the gospel ... by mouth, by email, by tracts, by supporting ministries that proclaim the full gospel ... Cross, Blood and all.

Agreed! But of course there will be those who will have to make that decision, and that's who I was referring to. Yes, you are right that we must pray and do all God gives us the ability to do so those within our sphere of influence will not have to make that dreadful decision some day. I think that day is fast approaching. That's fortunate for us who are born again now, but very unfortunate for those who will be born again during the tribulation seven. I believe it's pertinent to pray ahead of time for them because they will need it. However, their decision to not take the MOTB will ultimately place them in a better place eventually. I believe we will see them enter Heaven and receive their crown.

Now... Back to the topic....

How do you think the implant will be "sold" to the public? My guess... false flag operation. An engineered disaster which will make people think that taking the mark (chip implant perhaps) is a good idea to protect themselves somehow (probably from identity theft or whatever). Once people line up in droves to get this mark, the law for making people get it will easily slip in without much notice or protest. I equate it to the swine flu vaccine... although that was small by comparison.

[ArmyofHeaven777]

How do you think the implant will be "sold" to the public? My guess... false flag operation. An engineered disaster which will make people think that taking the mark (chip implant perhaps) is a good idea to protect themselves somehow (probably from identity theft or whatever). Once people line up in droves to get this mark, the law for making people get it will easily slip in without much notice or protest. I equate it to the swine flu vaccine... although that was small by comparison.

When the tribulation kicks off, the antichrist with his sidekick the false prophet will emerge(as we all know it)-the world is going to be in dire desperation, traumatization, hunger, the whole 9 yards, they will be begging for a "solution". Events like famine across the world, WW3, you name it that happened for months finally wrapped up.

The AC/FP will come with all lying signs and wonders-the world in their desperation and being traumatized for so long will fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

[makememeek]

"Disagrees"?

You said in your last topic that this WAS the MOB:

Sorry, I should have indicated that from my overenthusiam I used a "figure of speech" to indicate
that it was a type (more accurately a prototype) of the MOTB that is coming soon.
I should have explained it it at first.

I meant no offense.
Hugs anybody?

[mikhen7]

Sorry, I should have indicated that from my overenthusiam I used a "figure of speech" to indicate
that it was a type (more accurately a prototype) of the MOTB that is coming soon.
I should have explained it it at first.

I meant no offense.
Hugs anybody?

Hugs are always a commodity here. I do not think that anyone will not accept your apology. By now I am sure you realize that the MOB is during the trib. Christians will be gone into heaven seated at the Marriage supper of the Lamb.

The technology you described that have occured over the last 40 years is true. We all know it. And we all know what it is leading up to. We want to make sure that all believers know there is nothing to fear for christians because the real McCoy is yet during the AC reign.

God Bless!

[Robert]

Sorry, I should have indicated that from my overenthusiam I used a "figure of speech" to indicate
that it was a type (more accurately a prototype) of the MOTB that is coming soon.
I should have explained it it at first.

I meant no offense.
Hugs anybody?

Apology accepted. Sometimes, I can skew a little on the hot side; please forgive me.

[makememeek]

Apology accepted. Sometimes, I can skew a little on the hot side; please forgive me.

[huggybob50]

I have a question: Besides the fact that TMOTB will hold all of our financial records and transactions, will it also hold our medical records??

[mattfivefour]

He will hold whatever he thinks he needs to ensure complete obedience and servitude from every human being as well as to ensure that any who do not give him what he wants are not able to buy, sell or exist anywhere where they can be found.

However, he won't care about OUR financial or medical records. We won't be here.

Guaranteed.

[Andrei]

I have a question: Besides the fact that TMOTB will hold all of our financial records and transactions, will it also hold our medical records??

Nobody can tell for sure, but it can easily be arranged.

Now, I wanted to say more, but I think the Lord doesn't want me to give people any ideas on how the mark could work, and frankly, I don't want to have anything to do with its development! *hides in the Lord's arms*