Rand Corp - A Stability Police Force For The United States

[KR McKay]

I would attach the .PDF file here, but we can't upload .PDFs, so let me direct you all to the link for this report (Below) by the Rand Corporation, prepared for the US Army. (Hello, Posse comitatus)?

Rand Corp - A Stability Police Force For The United States

[mattfivefour]

Note that this theorized police force is an EXTERNAL police force for use in troubled nations around the world. The Canadian government already has one—ready made in the royal Canadian Mounted Police—who perform much these same policing functions in other countries where authority has broken down-- several African countries, the Middle East, the Balkans, Haiti, East Timor and Afghanistan.

[Robert]

I looked this over, and Matt is right. I didn't see anything in there that denoted use for this force on home soil.

It doesn't mean I'm just going to ignore this; I'll be keeping track of this proposition. But I'm not ready just yet to run to the mountains.

On that note, a log cabin in the mountains would make a nice vacation, especially if it's a lakeside cabin, kind of like the one Stringfellow Hawke had in the show Airwolf. You know; do some fishing, maybe get some time in, doing watercolor paintings of the lake and the woods, maybe even an oil painting. Do some bird watching: hawks, eagles and falcons and other birds of prey. Chop some wood for the fireplace, and maybe even some archery practice out back. Some swimming would be nice too: a lake all to myself without having to worry about some idiot thinking I'm a beached whale.

[GlennO]

I'm not into "black helicopters" nor is this forum... there are other forums for such as that.

I am only addressing the Posse Comitatus Act, a subject raised by the OP.

The 2009 RAND Corporation report addresses the difficulty of deploying their proposed Stability Police Force (SPF) in at least two portions of the report. They clearly advocate diminishing the historic constraint hindering the use of our armed forces military forces against the civilian population (please see: The ability of SPF personnel to act in a law –– enforcement capacity while in the United States.pg 75).

Also please see page 91-93 regarding the Application of the Special Operations Group (SOG)

This Wiki link contains a heading titled “Homeland Security” referencing the Establishing of NORTHCOM in 2008 pre-dating the Rand Report on SPF by a year. It may be just a coincidence.
Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you are still reading you may be interested in this link:
The Posse Comitatus Act and Homeland Security

[mattfivefour]

Interesting reading, Glenn. For those who do not have time to read, the matter is summed up in the concluding three paragraphs of The Myth of Posse Comitatus:

The erosion of the Posse Comitatus Act through Congressional legislation and executive policy has left a hollow shell in place of a law that formerly was a real limitation on the military’s role in civilian law enforcement and security issues. The plethora of constitutional and statutory exceptions to the act provides the executive branch with a menu of options under which it can justify the use of military forces to combat domestic terrorism. Whether an act of terrorism is classified as a civil disturbance under 10 U.S.C., 331–334, or whether the president relies upon constitutional power to preserve federal functions, it is difficult to think of a domestic terrorism scenario of sizable scale under which the use of the military could not be lawfully justified in view of the act’s erosion. The act is no longer a realistic bar to direct military involvement in counterterrorism planning and operations. It is a low legal hurdle that can be easily cleared through invocation of the appropriate legal justification, either before or after the fact.

Is the Posse Comitatus Act totally without meaning today? No, it remains a deterrent to prevent the unauthorized deployment of troops at the local level in response to what is purely a civilian law enforcement matter. Although no person has ever been successfully prosecuted under the act, it is available in criminal or administrative proceedings to punish a lower-level commander who uses military forces to pursue a common felon or to conduct sobriety checkpoints off of a federal military post. Officers have had their careers abruptly brought to a close by misusing federal military assets to support a purely civilian criminal matter.


But does the act present a major barrier at the National Command Authority level to use of military forces in the battle against terrorism? The numerous exceptions and policy shifts carried out over the past 20 years strongly indicate that it does not. Could anyone seriously suggest that it is appropriate to use the military to interdict drugs and illegal aliens but preclude the military from countering terrorist threats that employ weapons of mass destruction? For two decades the military has been increasingly used as an auxiliary to civilian law enforcement when the capabilities of the police have been exceeded. Under both the statutory and constitutional exceptions that have permitted the use of the military in law enforcement since 1980, the president has ample authority to employ the military in homeland defense against the threat of weapons of mass destruction in terrorist hands.

[Adopted Son]

And as a counter balance, to show how what we once were certain of, may no longer apply........

Remember all the talk about using the National Guard during the Viet Nam era on foreign soil? It was an idea that was quickly shouted down, because the Guard was a state force, not national. Remember?

Where are our state's National Guard troops right now?

[AnnS]

Question is that if our military was commanded by the president to war with American citizens; Would they uphold the Constitution or follow orders? I know we have the oathkeepers, but how many and when it comes down to it....?

When obama was campaigning; the following:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

How he attempts to do this behind closed doors needs to be watched, while we are so focused on the healthcare bill.

Keep on the burner for this bill still in the sub-committee:

In January, without any recognizable corporate media coverage, Rep. Bob Filner, a California Democrat, introduced H.R. 675. The bill would amend title 10 of the United States Code and extend to civilian employees of the Department of Defense the authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms. The bill was referred to the Armed Services Committee on January 26, 2009.

Filner’s bill would amend the United States code with the following: “Sec. 1585b. Law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense: authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms… for any offense against the United States.” (Emphasis added.)

The Posse Comitatus Act, passed on June 18, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction, limits the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits members of the federal uniformed services from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property within the United States.

H.R. 675 sidesteps Posse Comitatus by defining “law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense” as “a civilian employee of the Department of Defense,” including federal police officers, detectives, criminal investigators, special agents, and game law enforcement officers classified by the Office of Personnel Management Occupational Series 0083 (the United States Office of Personnel Management is described as an “independent agency” of the U.S. government that manages the civil service of the federal government).

H.R.675: To amend title 10, United States Code, to provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law... OpenCongress March 16, 2009

[GlennO]

Ann

Thanks for digging deeper!!

“If a nation expects to be ignorant - and free - in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Maranantha!

Glenn

[AnnS]

Ann

Thanks for digging deeper!!

“If a nation expects to be ignorant - and free - in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Maranantha!

Glenn

You're so welcome. Supposed we should watch very closely and be very concerned what this admin is doing. Have been involved with the tea pary movement for a year now, just on the healthcare bill alone has exhausted me; mentally and physically. But they are as sneaking and crooked as they come. They stuck the hatecrimes bill in the defense funding and sucker punched it through the Senate. Now it still isn't over and here comes cap and trade, illegal immigration, cyber security act to name a few, very questionable appointees etc... Can't wait until 2010-2012 if we CAN; make a difference.

God is still in control.

[AnnS]

Some update:

Pax Parabellum: Why is Obama's Civilian Army in The Healthcare Bill

Friday, March 26, 2010
Why is Obama's Civilian Army in The Healthcare Bill

Posted by zombywolf

ht/ friend on Facebook who pointed me to the pages and American Daughter
see page 1312

SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT–
(1) IN GENERAL.–here shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.
(2) REQUIREMENT.–All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act 2 of 1923, as amended.
(3) APPOINTMENT.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
(4) ACTIVE DUTY.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training.
(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.
(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps/

(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESERVE.–
(1) PURPOSE.–The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
(2) USES.–The Ready Reserve Corps shall–
(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.
(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers. (see source)

[A24AW]

Some update:

Pax Parabellum: Why is Obama's Civilian Army in The Healthcare Bill

Friday, March 26, 2010
Why is Obama's Civilian Army in The Healthcare Bill

Posted by zombywolf

ht/ friend on Facebook who pointed me to the pages and American Daughter
see page 1312

SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT–
(1) IN GENERAL.–here shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.
(2) REQUIREMENT.–All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act 2 of 1923, as amended.
(3) APPOINTMENT.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
(4) ACTIVE DUTY.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training.
(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.
(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps/

(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESERVE.–
(1) PURPOSE.–The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
(2) USES.–The Ready Reserve Corps shall–
(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.
(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers. (see source)

This is the Uniformed Services of the Public Health. They have been around for quite some time and have no reserve forces to support them in medical emergencies. Their current primary job is providing medical care to areas such as the Indian Reservations as well as the Federal Prison Hospitals. When first started, their job was to provide medical care to the Merchant Marine Corps. Their rank structure is similar to the US Navy as well as their uniform.

[GlennO]

Yup they've been around a long time...now there will be a whole lot more of them. $$$$

How about more private sector doctors

Commissioned Corps E-Bulletin January 2010

[AnnS]

Could be a lot of different groups to think about in the near future:

SEIU unions thugs
FEMA would almost has absolute authority in times of emergencies
WHO (World Health Organizations) CDC (Center for Disease Control)
AmeriCorps (the new ones)
Street gangs like MS-13 etc...(FBI stats 800,000 members in the US);
LaRaza, Aztlan racist hate groups
Muslim immigration ; asylum seekers from terrorists countries i.e. Somalia

There have been websites exposing the 35 or so jihad training camps in America that have been going on since 2006 (in a town near you). So once these recruits go, where are they if they have completed their training and filter back into society? (Good question for Sean)

Under the immigraton bill, illegal aliens along with gang member would have complete amnesty and become American Citiizens. Most of these from Central Americans are highly trained in guerilla and military warfare and have access to full automatic assault rifles.

We have a Muslim in the Whitehouse and a wannna be communist dictator; however he intends to accomplish his absolute authority remains to be seen. But as all dictators he has to first try and silence and eliminate the opposition. That's us IMO; just something to think about.

"just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean someone is not out to get you"

[AnnS]

If you get into the highy complex maze of conspiracies, Rand fits in there somewhere.

Are You Being Delphied?

Joan Veon | 2004-06-11 - The Rand Corporation in the early 1960s developed the Delphi technique for the purpose of maneuvering segments of the public into accepting predetermined government policies.

New Age Illuminati Conspiracy

I noticed this technique even into todays work place, training and orientation, stress management, school rooms, colleges and universities. Very manipulative and almost borders on brain washing and mind control to the vulnerable aka koolaid drinkers

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm." Ephesians 6: 12

Give all the glory to God, He gave us the armour to protect ourselves. Ephesians 6: 13-18

[GlennO]

I have to resurrect this thread today "just in case" someone in the future uses the search function for "Posse Comitatus" [force of the country]. I interjected a link at post #2 titled "the myth of Posse Comitatus" that I believed to be the best info I had at the time.

Following-up on a radio comment I believed to be in error, I discovered it was me that was in error.

This link is intended to correct the record:
The Posse Comitatus Act and Homeland Security

If the subject is important to you, you will want the definitive treatment by net searching this title: "More Than You Ever Wanted to Know About Posse Comitatus" (2001) by Gene Visco.