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    Jesus did not come today, but tyranny is pounding on the door. Where free men refuse to fight, tyranny prevails.
    What I see happening is a repeat of history. Think about the last two times "progressives" (cough cough gag gag) were in control of the US and other parts of the world, and the economy was in shambles. World War 1 and 2 is what happened. Both were preceded by deep economic depression. But the thing to focus on is what happened AFTER those events. After WW1 it was the League of Nations, and following WW2 it was the United Nations. These are evidence of the evolution of the One World Government which prophecy clearly indicates will come to pass. The "money changers" which rule this world are attempting to go for round three (per the modern era). The stage is set, and the players are preparing for war evidenced by so many things in the news (especially the alternative news). Islam is indeed our enemy and they require war to complete their agenda of ushering in the Mahdi.
    Ayatollah sees global Islamic 'Mahdi' army
    With this point made, I propose that the End of Times is yet to come. The world will soon be once again consumed in global conflict and face self destruction (or the threat there of). The globalists have funded both sides in global war to further debt and strengthen control in both world wars. After which the establishment of the global governing body is viewed as man kind's hope, rather than God as should be. The globalists favor neither the Christians nor Islam, but rather some sick perverse world religion which will be an extension of the global governing body. A global conflict between the two would further the globalists agenda to rid the world of both sides of any real influence. Religion requires living by laws other than those mandated by the money changers and their global government, thus it must be eliminated as any independent influence. What I see coming is WW3. And I fear it could happen before we reach the day of rapture. But I also believe we are the arm of God and nothing the globalists do is carved in stone, unless God did the carving. We cannot stand by and allow the devil to have his way without opposition.
    It is a well known fact that many of the globalist minded money changers want the population radically decreased and what better way to achieve this than to have us kill each other and further the nations' debt? I believe God would frown on us if we do not STAND, at any cost, against tyranny.
    I close with one more point, and thanks for hearing me out. In pre WW2 there was a large Christian population who was complacent and allowed the Nazis to slowly take over every facet of life. I have read many articles written by Christian and Jewish children who lived through that time and they warn us that the same thing is happening on an even larger scale, right under our noses. Could those Christians within Germany have opposed Hitler and the socialists/fascists early on and possibly stopped them? I say through God all things are possible, and thus the answer is yes. We are now in the same position. What will history say about us?
    We cannot be sure exactly what God’s will is, but we can be the “Arm of God” to fight against the adversary’s efforts to lead souls to destruction. Like you, I too wish Jesus would return today and pray I am worthy of rapture. I also see many signs that indicate the end is near, as many before us felt But I will not stand by and allow the devil to have his way with my children’s inherited country and future nor accept that pleases God. God told His prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel to warn the people (the popular term today is “sheeple”) and the nation’s leaders to return to God’s law or He would lift His Vail of protection. The key point is, by virtue of God’s grace, there is always a choice. Take action, or suffer. The globalists discounted the power of the will of the free people, and did not count on the internet to be such a powerful tool for disseminating information and truth. But more important, they deny that God is in control, which is their one true weakness. Have faith in the Power of God, and go be “as lights unto the world” to give others that same empowerment. God may have other plans, and the sheeple may not listen, but I believe He wants us to try. Get involved in your local political scene and ensure men and women of God are sent to be our elected. We must elect godly leaders who are sent with an agenda to restore God’s Word as the core of governance, and dismantle the economic and political system that enables the adversary to advance his agenda.
    The end is possible at any moment and to be ready is a daily obligation, but it not a reason to submit to tyranny.

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    We cannot stand by and allow the devil to have his way without opposition.
    Allow the devil?

    Whatever Satan does has to be allowed by the Lord, as described in the book of Job.

    On that note, God does NOT call us to fight according to the ways of this world:

    "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants' fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. " (John 18:36, KJV)

    Yes, we must elect godly leaders; yes, we we must stand for what is right. But to go out and actively try to engage this world is to fight the powers of darkness in the flesh, which scripture warns against:


    "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. " (Ephesians 6:11-12, KJV)


    It is not to say we must be complacent in our efforts; but the time when we should have spoken up has passed, and we now must deal with the consequences of sour silence. My point is whatever we do MUST be according to the word and the will of God, sought after in prayer.
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    I would like to share some of my thoughts with you about your post, Mr. Heid. So, here they are:

    You said:

    "What I see coming is WW3. And I fear it could happen before we reach the day of rapture."

    I disagree with this for several reasons. First, there are several battles that the Bible speaks of that precede WWIII or Armageddon, (if that's the battle you're referring to) that have not happened yet. Psalms 83, Isaiah 17, and Ezekiel 38. There may be other "wars or rumors of war" that may occur that are not mentioned. Either way, we have nothing to fear. So, my question is, what scripture do you base your "fear" of these battles occurring on? If we are to be alive and present for any or all of these battles(excluding Armageddon), then that is His will. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to fear. Scripture is VERY clear in many, many places that we are not EVER to fear what happens in the natural. One of those multitude of verses is II Timothy 1:7.

    So, whether the rapture happens today or sometime in the future after these battles have occurred, we are to continue to share the good news until He comes. Period. Further, if you are speaking of Armageddon as "WWIII", then I would absolutely disagree with you because we will definitely NOT be here on Earth for that battle, scripture in Revelation makes this clear. We will be returning to Earth with Jesus and will witness him put a swift end to Armageddon by himself.

    "We cannot stand by and allow the devil to have his way without opposition."

    Really? And, just exactly how are we supposed to oppose the devil according to scripture? I don't believe any Christians are standing by or allowing the devil to do anything. I think we are doing what we were called to do and that is to share the good news. Further, there are many, many Christians who are called into politics, heathcare, all different areas where we are making a huge difference in the world through the Holy Spirit's work IN US~not just standing by and doing nothing as you assert. In addition, I think you have to take into consideration that the Bible is clear that there will be a "falling away" from the faith in the end times, which we see (obviously) occurring with the Emergent Church as well as other movements where they are refusing to adhere to sound doctrine. So, it's not that WE'RE not doing enough, it's that there are becoming less and less of US out here.

    "It is a well known fact that many of the globalist minded money changers want the population radically decreased and what better way to achieve this than to have us kill each other and further the nations' debt? I believe God would frown on us if we do not STAND, at any cost, against tyranny."

    I absolutely disagree with this statement. I see no evidence that anyone is "wanting us to kill each other" and have no idea where you got such an idea? Further, I disagree that God would frown on us for not "standing" as you put it against tyranny. Where in the Bible do you find that we are commanded to stand against tyranny and how exactly does He instruct us to do so??


    "In pre WW2 there was a large Christian population who was complacent and allowed the Nazis to slowly take over every facet of life."


    I have to say that I truly take offense to this statement. If there's one thing that drives me insane it is Christian's bashing other Christians! I am sick to death of people blaming Christians for not doing this or not doing that or not doing enough of this or that! It is absolutely NOT TRUE. There were MANY miraculous occurrances that happened during the Holocaust because Christians followed the Holy Spirit; and, as a result, saved many, many Jews and others.The Bible is CLEAR in Psalms, " My sheep hear my voice and they follow me". Those who know Jesus have ALWAYS stood against those things the Bible says are wrong. We vote, some of us picket abortion clinics or start alternative clinics, some of us are elected officials who fight by writing God-centered legislation. Some of us are attorneys (like Jay Sekulow) who use the court system to advocate for what is right. Christian physicians who refuse to perform abortions. Counselors, computer engineers, taxi drivers, missionaries, garbage men, professional athletes, all who share the good news verbally or by their lifestyle, whenever they have the opportunity. In every position and profession on earth, WE ARE STANDING right where Jesus (through the Holy Spirit) directs us to stand. So, please, please don't use these kinds of statements regarding your brothers and sisters, it's very inaccurate and very hurtful.


    "We cannot be sure exactly what God’s will is, but we can be the “Arm of God” to fight against the adversary’s efforts to lead souls to destruction. Like you, I too wish Jesus would return today and pray I am worthy of rapture. I also see many signs that indicate the end is near, as many before us felt But I will not stand by and allow the devil to have his way with my children’s inherited country and future nor accept that pleases God."

    Where do you find in scripture that we are to be the "arm of God" and to "fight against the adversary's efforts to lead souls to destruction"??? There is no such verse. The way we "fight" is through our words, our behavior and prayer. We are commanded to do 4 things...Love God, Love our neighbor, occupy until He comes and share the good news. I see no mention of us fighting to keep people from destruction...that's the Holy Spirit's job. His job is to convict them of their sin and to lead them to the truth (if they are willing to hear it). We must not confuse the two jobs. We are to share the good news and pray for others and the Holy Spirit does the rest. If someone is "led" into destruction they went there WILLINGLY, not because of something we did or didn't do. Secondly, there is no way that you, me, or anyone else could EVER be "worthy of the rapture". We are only MADE worthy through the work that Jesus did on the cross~nothing else. Lastly, in reference to your statement that you will not stand by and allow the devil to have his way, etc., what are you going to do to prevent this exactly? This sounds to me like your will is taking precidence over His will. Who are you to say what the Lord is going to do(or allow to happen) with this country? Satan can do nothing without the Lord allowing it, period. Scripture is clear on this. Job is a good example. So, I would encourage you to really seek the Lord regarding your stance because I see no scriptural evidence to support it. We want His will for this country, whatever that is...not our will or what we think is best.


    "Get involved in your local political scene and ensure men and women of God are sent to be our elected. We must elect godly leaders who are sent with an agenda to restore God’s Word as the core of governance, and dismantle the economic and political system that enables the adversary to advance his agenda."

    There is absolutely NO WAY that we are going to "ensure" anything as Christians. We saw that plainly in the last Presidential election. I know this concept is difficult for proud American Christians to understand, but we've got to realize that "America" got exactly what it wanted in Obama. Jesus always allows free will to believers and unbelievers alike. Scripture is clear that in the end times the church will be very weak (due to the falliing away/false gospel) and that their influence will be greatly diminished. This says it WILL be this way, not that it MIGHT be this way. We are seeing today exactly what the Bible said we would see in the last days. Further, scripture is clear that it is God who appoints leaders and it is God who tears them down. The book of Kings is a very good example. Again, we vote according to our Christian values and accept the outcome as well within God's control and appointment, as we are directed to do. Lastly, I hate to break it to you, but your last sentence is not in line with what scripture teaches for the end times. We will not be returning to a God-centered style of governance until Christ returns. The Bible is clear on this fact. Our responsibility, again, is to share the good news and vote according to our Christian values. That's what we're responsible for. We are not called to "dismantle" anything according to scripture. Those systems WILL be dismantled, make no mistake, but it will be Jesus who does it, not us. The end of Revelation confirms this.


    "The end is possible at any moment and to be ready is a daily obligation, but it not a reason to submit to tyranny."


    The end of what, exactly? We are not looking for the end, we are looking for the beginning! When Jesus returns for His people, we will begin our new lives with Him in Glory. Further, there will be no "end" to the Earth either. It will be re-fashioned by Jesus as we move into the Millinium Kingdom. And, to be ready is not a "daily obligation" it is a done deal once you know Jesus as your Savior. Other than that, there is no obligation for salvation or for being in the rapture of the church. We are called to WATCH for His coming and to look forward to it, but there is no obligation that we have to fulfill to be in the rapture other than believing in Jesus' atonement for our sins. And, lastly, again, I see no scripture saying that we are to fight tyranny of any sort. And, if Jesus wanted us to fight tyranny He would have told us so. A good example is the deciple who cut off the ear of the soldier. He was "fighting against tryanny" and what did Jesus do and say as a result??? (Luke 22: 49-51) He said, "no more of this" and he healed the soldier. I think the same principle applies today (for different reasons, of course). Also remember how almost all of the deciples died (except John). They were spreading the good news, not standing up against tyranny. We are called to stand up for the FAITH and nothing else. I hope this is helpful and that I did not offend you in my comments, Mr. Heid, for that truly wasn't my intent.
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    Your article is pittifull, and of course your going to believe what you write because that is what you want to believe. The so called,"Christians" that they wish to name themselves during the war were either Catholic or back-sliding Catholic. Catholocism is a cult and holds no Biblical Christian Doctorine. No where does it say, in Bible that genocide is right. Of course when people hear this (especiall Athiest) love to run the book of Kings, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and point out the stoning of children, the not inter weaving in clothes etc...... Know that all the rules and Gods punishments and commands were meant for those specific people (the jews) for that specific time and prophetic Symbolism of the coming Messiah.
    Also by stating you are the Christ, is Blasphemy. Repent of your sins and trust the Savior or you WILL not you might or maybe. You WILL end up in Hell. Whether you believe so or not. Hell is eternal and none of us here want you to go there.

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    Good Lord........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Freak View Post
    Your article is pittifull, and of course your going to believe what you write because that is what you want to believe. The so called,"Christians" that they wish to name themselves during the war were either Catholic or back-sliding Catholic. Catholocism is a cult and holds no Biblical Christian Doctorine. No where does it say, in Bible that genocide is right. Of course when people hear this (especiall Athiest) love to run the book of Kings, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and point out the stoning of children, the not inter weaving in clothes etc...... Know that all the rules and Gods punishments and commands were meant for those specific people (the jews) for that specific time and prophetic Symbolism of the coming Messiah.
    Also by stating you are the Christ, is Blasphemy. Repent of your sins and trust the Savior or you WILL not you might or maybe. You WILL end up in Hell. Whether you believe so or not. Hell is eternal and none of us here want you to go there.
    Not a very uplifting post ...though I dont believe I saw anywhere where he claimed to be the Christ....at least I sure hope that he did not do this!......Rascus

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    Mr Heid,

    I did not see your missive as being a teaching article as others must have done. I read it as one expressing their inner thoughts on the issues at hand. And we not only do not have to have it all right, but unless we are prozelitizing others-to change their beliefs, I think it is healthy to express one's concerns and suppositions. Especially among the brethern in order to learn from them, or give them a seed to be watered.
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