China Will Not Hesitate To Protect Iran Even With A Third World War

[Chris]

Fast forward to 2.08 mins : "China Will Not Hesitate To Protect Iran Even With A Third World War" and "Russia is another ally of Iran, with similar policy to that of China. Toward Iran."

[YeuEmMaiMai]

hummm this would not be good for their neighbors nor the rest of us....

[Littlejoe]

As the EU tightens the screws ,Iran looks towards the kings of the east!

[GlennO]

Peachy !

[WKUHilltopper]

Sure seems like Ezeke 38-39 is being setup...

[Sean Osborne]

Talk is cheap. It is especially cheap when it comes from tyrants and communist jawjockies like the Iranian and Chinese government spokesmen.



The USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) Carrier Strike Group-Nine (CSG-9) under the command of Rear Admiral Troy M. (Mike) Shoemaker, along with warships from the UK and France, are sailing the waters of the Persian Gulf this morning in clear defiance to an Iranian threat against any American carrier to transit into the Gulf via the Strait of Hormuz.

The Ayatollah, his sock-puppet and his military commanders look like posers and pretenders this morning. They have all effectively been put in their place.

In related news - The EU oil embargo against Iran will be officially implemented today. The EU embargo includes an immediate sanction on new contracts by any of the 27-member EU for Iranian oil or petroleum products. Existing contracts expire in July 2012.

[mattfivefour]

Couple of things as I view this thread for the first time this morning. The "third World War" scenario was put forward by a professor at a Chinese military college. His comments were immediately responded to in China as "ridiculous". Yes, Iran is China's largest source of oil imports ... but, thanks to President Obama's canceling of the Keystone Pipeline, Canada is now forging a deal with China to supply them with oil. Currently, Canada's oil production is not much behind Iran's but she has greater reserves than Iran and a reserve life of almost double. It would appear, with access to Canadian oil, China could lose Iran's oil production with very little problem. There are already close trade ties between Canada and China due largely to American protectionist policies developed (despite NAFTA) for the political gain of governors, senators and congressmen who find attacks against Canadian imports a sellable feature in hard economic times. This is due to ignorance on the part of the electorate. Reducing trade with Canada only increases the hard times because a large portion of the US economy is fueled by trade with Canada. The trade itself (both ways) is in excess of half a trillion dollars, but the jobs and wealth that spring from that trade amounts to a significant portion of the US almost 15 trillion dollar annual GDP.

[Sean Osborne]

Given the Iranian government's announcement of not tolerating the presence of any further US aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf...

I have wonder what the IRGC Navy and regular Iranian Navy have to say about the massive CVN-72 and her multinational strike group off their shores and what effect this renewed presence has on the psyche?

[Suzanne]

If the US and the West are wiped out, China and Russia would start sizing one another up. They have been the natural enemies of each other for a lot longer than the U.S. has been a nation.

[SonSeeker]

Couple of things as I view this thread for the first time this morning. The "third World War" scenario was put forward by a professor at a Chinese military college. His comments were immediately responded to in China as "ridiculous". Yes, Iran is China's largest source of oil imports ... but, thanks to President Obama's canceling of the Keystone Pipeline, Canada is now forging a deal with China to supply them with oil. Currently, Canada's oil production is not much behind Iran's but she has greater reserves than Iran and a reserve life of almost double. It would appear, with access to Canadian oil, China could lose Iran's oil production with very little problem. There are already close trade ties between Canada and China due largely to American protectionist policies developed (despite NAFTA) for the political gain of governors, senators and congressmen who find attacks against Canadian imports a sellable feature in hard economic times. This is due to ignorance on the part of the electorate. Reducing trade with Canada only increases the hard times because a large portion of the US economy is fueled by trade with Canada. The trade itself (both ways) is in excess of half a trillion dollars, but the jobs and wealth that spring from that trade amounts to a significant portion of the US almost 15 trillion dollar annual GDP.

Even though BO shot the pipeline 'down', it may not be 'out' yet. I know, it seems like a bonehead move on the part of BO, but there must be something political behind this decision.

[WalterNZ]

China s not much of a threat... If you consider the quality of their products at Walmart , its usually broken, frayed, damaged...

I presume their military equipment is of the same low quality...

[livin_in_the_Son]

China s not much of a threat... If you consider the quality of their products at Walmart , its usually broken, frayed, damaged...

I presume their military equipment is of the same low quality...

That's assuming that they send to the capitalist pigs their best stuff. I think that they would take more care with their own stuff. Then again, I could be wrong as well!

[Elijah's Mantle]

but, thanks to President Obama's canceling of the Keystone Pipeline, Canada is now forging a deal with China to supply them with oil.

Is there any doubt left that Obamanation is doing more to destroy the American economy than he has ever done to secure it ?
I think not

thousands of unemployed American's struggling between whether to drive to work or eat equals those same thousand's selling cars and cancelling high rate insurance policies

I believe we can insure one certainty everything OBAM has done should be cancelled and reversed

why in the round world would his actions be tolerated when Canada is a greatest ally ?

obviously because he plans to destroy America from the Oval office still being afforded him

the man should have been Impeached long ago
like 2 years ago

[RanYakumo]

Talk is cheap. It is especially cheap when it comes from tyrants and communist jawjockies like the Iranian and Chinese government spokesmen.



The USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) Carrier Strike Group-Nine (CSG-9) under the command of Rear Admiral Troy M. (Mike) Shoemaker, along with warships from the UK and France, are sailing the waters of the Persian Gulf this morning in clear defiance to an Iranian threat against any American carrier to transit into the Gulf via the Strait of Hormuz.

The Ayatollah, his sock-puppet and his military commanders look like posers and pretenders this morning. They have all effectively been put in their place.

In related news - The EU oil embargo against Iran will be officially implemented today. The EU embargo includes an immediate sanction on new contracts by any of the 27-member EU for Iranian oil or petroleum products. Existing contracts expire in July 2012.

Exactly. China's got a massive army that's pretty well equipped. Their navy is still in development however. They've only got one aircraft carrier, and that's based off an old Russian one that was never completed. If China actually tries to protect Iran and start World War 3, their navy will be sunk fast.

If the US and the West are wiped out, China and Russia would start sizing one another up. They have been the natural enemies of each other for a lot longer than the U.S. has been a nation.

A war between China and Russia would be absolutely catastrophic. It's not the likeliest of wars (since China and Russia's relations have improved since the fall of the Soviet Union), but in the event it did occur, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, would perish. Worst of all, it would be a permanent stalemate of sorts. China and Russia are both simply too big for either side to fully occupy the other. They'd have to come to the bargaining table to work out peace. The likely result would be them withdrawing to the original borders. In other words, millions would have died for nothing.

[Elijah's Mantle]

we could always study up on China's role in Bible Prophecy
how they fit in

Here is a piece I found somewhat informatively fascinating
Just I am not 100 percent certian I endorse all claims of regarding china

time to study it according to

One fifth of the world’s population today is Chinese.
China, occupying the third largest area on earth, has always fascinated modern western minds because of its more than 4,000 years of undivided history and culture.
The great ancient wisdom manifested by Confucius (551 - 479 B.C.) and Lao Zi (570 B.C.) are gems in the spiritual treasures of the world. In the darkness of today’s lax morality, the light from this ancient jewel is still shining. If the Bible is a book for all peoples, it seems only reasonable to find China at least mentioned in the Bible! Does the Bible have anything to say about China? In searching for an answer to this intriguing question, let us start our quest by delving into a bit of China’s ancient history.

For millennia, China has called herself “the land of God.” It would appear that the Hand of Omnipotence was leading this ancient civilization. In the annals of Chinese history, we do not find a single instance of God’s anger being poured out upon a Chinese city because of moral depravity, as happened to Sodom, Gomorrah, or Pompeii. Ancient Chinese art has never featured pornography or naked female sculptures—like that uncovered in Near and Middle East excavations.

When it comes to China, however, you might agree that, for most people in the world today, the familiar image that comes to mind is not Confucius or high moral standards, but the Great Wall! Construction of the Great Wall was intensified by the first Chinese emperor, Qin Shi Huangdi (259 - 210 B.C.).

The Middle Kingdom

The Chinese nation, earlier known as the “Middle Kingdom,” dates back to 2205 B.C. with its first dynasty, the Xia, established by King Yu. Even today in China, King Yu is still well-remembered as “the great Yu.” He was favored by Shangdi [the God of Heaven] who instructed him in the nine methods which enabled him to solve the problem of draining a huge flood that prevented further development and habitation of their land.2 King Yu was also renowned as a virtuous and exemplary ruler, providing a fitting pattern for later rulers to emulate.

Following the Xia were the Shang and Zhou dynasties. Each of these kingdoms ruled over many states, some of these states having more extensive land and greater power than the royal dynasty itself. We will learn that most of the many kings of these first three dynasties served as Heaven-appointed agents, ministering by love rather than by force.

During the later Zhou dynasty, the rulers of the eastern states fought one another for the control of all China. In 221 B.C., the Qin State defeated all its rivals and established China’s first empire controlled by a strong self-imposed emperor, Qin Shi Huangdi. Thus China entered its fourth dynasty, the Qin, (221 - 206 B.C.).

To keep out invaders, Qin Shi Huangdi ordered the construction, repair and strengthening of the Great Wall, which, with its eventual completion, stretches about 4,000 miles. It was built with the blood and tears shed by thousands of slave workers under ruthless oppression, and was finished several centuries after the Qin dynasty. The Great Wall, the greatest human project in the history of mankind, has a sad history. Many of the 300,000 workers, who suffered from a most inhumane and cold-blooded treatment, lie entombed within its massive structure. Even though the Great Wall today is a symbol of unity and peace for the Chinese, no one can forget the high price paid to keep out potential foreign aggressors. Now, more than 2,200 years after Qin Shi Huangdi, the Great Wall has gradually become a landmark of unity for Chinese all over the world, and an identifying symbol of China. The name of “China” in all foreign languages of the world finds its root in the Qin [Chin] Dynasty.
Revelation of God to Man

Back to our opening question does the Bible, which is meant for all people of the world, have anything to say about the land of China?

The Holy Bible, inspired by the Holy Spirit of God and written by more than 40 authors over a period of 1,600 years, faithfully records the words of the God of the universe. It is a treasure mine of priceless truth. It is the great standard of right and wrong, clearly defining sin and holiness. Of all the books that have flooded the world, however valuable, the Bible is the most deserving of our closest study and attention.

The Bible opens the history of past ages. Without it we should have been left to fables and speculation regarding occurrences in past eras. This sacred volume gives not only an accurate history of the creation of this world, a history of our human race, but also the world’s only authentic account of the origin of nations. It contains instruction concerning the wonders of the universe, and reveals God as the Author of the heavens and the earth. The Scriptures unfold a simple and complete system of theology and philosophy. Without the Bible, we are soon enveloped by false theories, superstition, and spiritual darkness.

Although unappreciated by many in today’s secular world, the Bible is, in fact, the foundation of all true knowledge, for it is the revelation of God to man. Throughout the ages God’s divine hand has preserved its purity. The many mysteries found in the Bible are perhaps the strongest evidence of its divine inspiration. One of these mysteries is Bible prophecy—foretelling persons or events in the future. In the entire Bible there are thousands of prophecies. By now, most of them have been exactly fulfilled in time and place as predicted. The rise and fall of nations have been foretold in the Bible long before they happened. Some prophecies are yet to be fulfilled in due time. This is entirely beyond human comprehension!

Jesus clearly revealed God’s purpose for giving prophecies when He said:

“And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.”
(John 14: 29).

One of the most powerful, yet often neglected, Bible prophecies that might bring conviction to the Chinese, as well as the world, is the prophecy of China written by Isaiah (720 - 680 B.C.).
The Land of Sinim

The ancient Dead Sea Scrolls,3 found in 1947, include the book of Isaiah, and once again confirm that today’s Bible is accurate and reliable. This verse in Isaiah is thought to refer to China:

Surely these shall come from afar; Look, those from the north and the west; And these from the land of Sinim. (Isaiah 49: 12).

You may wonder what the word “Sinim” means. Where is this land of Sinim, mentioned by Isaiah before his service was terminated in 680 B.C.?4 According to Strong’s Concordance, “Sinim is a distant Oriental region.”5 Young’s Concordance reports, “Sinim is a people in the far east; the Chinese?”6

However, the meaning is still not quite clear. Let us now check an English dictionary for help: “‘Sino’ indicates Chinese; for example, Sinophile. [French, from Late Latin ‘Sinae;’ the Chinese, from Greek ‘Sinai;’ from Arabic ‘Sin;’ China, from Chinese (Mandarin) ‘Ch’in’ [Qin], dynastic name of the country.]”7

Now it is clear that the Hebrew word “Sinim” means China, as can be seen, for example, in the word “sinology”—a study of things Chinese. As we mentioned earlier, all Chinese roots meet in the Qin dynasty. However, the Hebrew alphabet does not have the equivalent of “ch” in English and “Q” in Chinese. Thus “Qin” has been phonetically translated as “Sinim.”
The Significance of Chin

In Isaiah’s day, the state of Qin was only one of hundreds of states under Zhou (770 - 256 B.C.). It was located in the present Gansu Province through which trade with the West was conducted. How is it that Isaiah chose Qin to indicate the Middle Kingdom? What was so special about Qin?
Rang Kung was appointed as the first Duke of Qin (770 B.C.), then a small, aristocratic house. Under his administration, the state of Qin emerged as one of the 14 major states under the Zhou dynasty.8 It was 500 years after Isaiah that Qin Shi Huangdi defeated all the other competitive states and established the Qin dynasty. From then on, Qin represented the Middle Kingdom [China].

Simply put, the God of Isaiah, with divine foreknowledge, saw all the stages in the development of Qin—from a small, dependent, aristocratic house to becoming the famous Qin empire. God knew that the Duke of Qin would become ever stronger, equal with those of the other 13 states. Furthermore, He foresaw that after another 500 years, the Dukedom of Qin would still exist, defeat all the other states, and unite them as one empire, even choosing “Qin” as the name for the new empire!

Some attempt has been made to identify Sinim as Syene [Aswan] in upper Egypt. Yet a closer look at what Isaiah said precludes this opinion. Listen to what he said:

Indeed He says,
“It is too small a thing that
You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a
light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation
to the ends of the earth.”
(Isaiah 49: 6).

God proclaimed here that the mission of His Servant [Jesus Christ] was not limited to the salvation of the Jewish nation and its colonies [like Aswan] alone, but is also extended to all Gentiles throughout the world. In fact, when Jesus affirmed the faith shown by the Roman centurion [a Gentile] He said,

“And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 8: 11).

Jesus used the expression, “from the east and west,” to represent all the Gentiles. Isaiah used the term, “those from the north and the west and these from the land of Sinim,” in the same sense. “These from the land of Sinim” should naturally be a large group of people among the Gentiles. Only China, not the small city Aswan, could fit the verse so well.
Sinim and Today

Isaiah’s prophecy about China did not stop with the Qin dynasty, but rather it extended into the future. Over the 2,600 years since Isaiah, many countries have come and gone, but the land of Sinim (Qin) still stands firm as the land of China.

The most exciting phases of this prophecy relative to “Sinim” will surely continue to be fulfilled. Reading earlier verses in this 49th Chapter of Isaiah, we find these words:

“That You [Jesus Christ] may say to the prisoners, ‘Go forth,’
To those who are in darkness,
‘Show yourselves. . . .’
For He who has mercy on
them will lead them,
Even by the springs of water
He will guide them. . . .
Surely these shall come from afar;
Look! Those from the north
and the west,
And these from the land of Sinim.” (Isaiah 49: 9, 10, 12).

Isaiah’s foretelling of a final gathering of God’s faithful among those “in darkness” must indicate a multitude of peoples—even from China. Most of the people living in China, since Isaiah’s day, have been “in darkness” concerning the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ. Yet here is a specific prophesy and a promise to bring “prisoners of darkness” in the land of Sinim to the light of salvation, freedom and mercy.

We mentioned earlier that the Great Wall has forever been associated with the land of China—ever since the establishment of the Qin dynasty. The existence of the Great Wall is reminiscent of its first builder and planner. Hundreds of emperors have ruled and died in the long history of China. Most of them are forgotten. But the name of Qin Shi Huangdi stands out!

The same prophet Isaiah foretold that the God of Israel paid the greatest price of all in sending His Son, Jesus Christ, to rescue fallen humanity! Jesus Christ came to earth, was nailed to a wooden cross, and died that all mankind might be rescued from sin. He would bear the nail print scars in the palms of His hands forever.

Does the God of Israel know and care about the land of Sinim (China)? Listen to what He says right after the prophecy of China in this book:

“Can a woman forget
her nursing child,
And not have compassion
on the son of her womb?
Surely they may forget,
Yet I will not forget you.
See, I have inscribed you
on the palms of My hands;
Your walls are continually before Me.”
(Isaiah 49: 15 - 16).

The land of Sinim is still there. The massive Walls are still before the people of China and before the God of Israel. God has not forgotten the people of China, for He says, “See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands.” Jesus died for the people of China who must now come out of darkness. We must learn why it was necessary for this Holy Man, the suffering Servant, to die. Just as the Great Wall cannot be separated from the land of Sinim, so the Great Wall of defense from evil and sin, built at the cost of Jesus Christ’s blood on Calvary, cannot be separated from the God of Israel!

One might ask if, since the God of heaven was so interested in Sinim as to speak through His prophet Isaiah regarding this distant nation, is there a possibility that God could have spoken directly to the people of China in past ages? Could He actually have raised up “prophets” for Himself in this ancient land? If so, could these ancient Chinese wise men yet speak to the people of China today?

Editor’s Note: This is an excerpt from Samuel Wang and Dr. Ethel Nelson’s new book, God and the Ancient Chinese, which is now available. We trust that it will benefit all who read it both intellectually and spiritually.

End Notes

1 David L. Lin, China Letters (Rapidan: Hartland Publications, 1993), p.16.

2 James Legge, The Chinese Classics (Taipei: SMC Publishing, Inc., 1983), Vol. III, The Shu Jing, The Book of Yu, The Tribute of Yu, Bk. IV, p.77, Bk. I, Pt. III, pp. 93 - 151.

3 Some believe that Chapters 40 - 55 of Isaiah were written by an anonymous author, called Deutero-Isaiah, or the “Second Isaiah,” in the first half of sixth century. But most Bible scholars believe that the book was written by Isaiah the prophet, himself. They point out that the internal evidence of the book is consistent with one author.

4 The Nelson Study Bible, NKJV (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1995), p. 1109.

5 James H. Strong, Exhaustive Concordance, p. 5515.

6 Young’s Analytic Concordance to the Bible (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1973), p. 893.

7 The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (Boston: Hough-ton Mifflin Company, 1973), p.1209.

8 Luo Xianglin, The History of China (Taipei: Zhengzhong Press, 1977), p. 63.

By Samuel Wang
& Ethel R. Nelson

This is an excerpt from the book, God and the Ancient Chinese.

If the Bible is a book for all peoples, it seems only reasonable to find China a least mentioned in the Bible!
Now, more than 2,200 years after Qin Shi Huangdi, the Great Wall has gradually become a landmark of unity for Chinese all over the world, and an identifying symbol of China
One of the most powerful, yet often neglected, Bible prophecies that might bring conviction to the Chinese, as well as the world, is the prophecy of China written by Isaiah
Now it is clear that the Hebrew word “Sinim” means China, as can be seen, for example, in the word “sinology” — a study of things Chinese
Isaiah’s prophecy about China did not stop with the Qin dynasty, but rather it extended into the future
Isaiah’s foretelling of a final gathering of God’s faithful among those “in darkness” must indicate a multitude of peoples— even from China

[Elijah's Mantle]

If so, could these ancient Chinese wise men yet speak to the people of China today?

One never knows what can happen to motivate the Great Land and people of China

I am assuming our relations with China are good enough to persuade them to protect whats most important

It could even be God uses China to lay a snare
one never can tell
God only knows

[Duncanmc]

The Chinese even today still call themselves inhabitants of the "Middle Kingdom". They are not talking about dynasties or places along a timeline. They literally think China is the middle of the earth and that all things eventually flow there. Not much conceit hey?

[Ohioan]

If the US and the West are wiped out, China and Russia would start sizing one another up. They have been the natural enemies of each other for a lot longer than the U.S. has been a nation.

How long have Russia and China been natural enemies? The Great wall of China is also known as the wall of Al Magog and was built to keep the armies of Magog out, and you might be familiar with this passage of scripture which will be fulfilled by Russia when they invade Israel,

" The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army--your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Ezekiel 38:1-4

[Meg]

Dear brother, Elijah's Mantle, YOU ROCK!!!! Thank you for that brilliant post!!!! Did you know that Voice Of The Martyrs just shipped thousands of Bibles to China late last year? Robert and I had the privilege of being able to participate in a small way to that effort. Chinese Christians are actively serving the Lord in many ways as Isaiah prophesied so long ago... Never underestimate the Living God...

[Meg]

Couple of things as I view this thread for the first time this morning. The "third World War" scenario was put forward by a professor at a Chinese military college. His comments were immediately responded to in China as "ridiculous". Yes, Iran is China's largest source of oil imports ... but, thanks to President Obama's canceling of the Keystone Pipeline, Canada is now forging a deal with China to supply them with oil. Currently, Canada's oil production is not much behind Iran's but she has greater reserves than Iran and a reserve life of almost double. It would appear, with access to Canadian oil, China could lose Iran's oil production with very little problem. There are already close trade ties between Canada and China due largely to American protectionist policies developed (despite NAFTA) for the political gain of governors, senators and congressmen who find attacks against Canadian imports a sellable feature in hard economic times. This is due to ignorance on the part of the electorate. Reducing trade with Canada only increases the hard times because a large portion of the US economy is fueled by trade with Canada. The trade itself (both ways) is in excess of half a trillion dollars, but the jobs and wealth that spring from that trade amounts to a significant portion of the US almost 15 trillion dollar annual GDP.

I think God is using this chaos to steer things in the very direction He wants things to proceed... Thank you dear Adrian for this sober assessment of the issues at hand.