Interesting Support-Text for Ez.38-39 As Armaggedon...

[Guy4God]

I am studying/teaching Isaiah right now for my home group and I stumbled across this passage today...it really stood out and then it just hit me...the answer to the burning of the weapons for 7 years after Gog war (you guys probably know that I place it at the end of Trib, same as Armageddon)...this verse in Isaiah is the prophecy of Christ establishing his Throne for the Millennium...

Isaiah 9:1-7

1 Nevertheless the gloom will not be upon her who is distressed,
As when at first He lightly esteemed
The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
And afterward more heavily oppressed her,
By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan,
In Galilee of the Gentiles.
2 The people who walked in darkness
Have seen a great light;
Those who dwelt in the land of the shadow of death,
Upon them a light has shined.
3 You have multiplied the nation
And increased its joy;
They rejoice before You
According to the joy of harvest,
As men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
4 For You have broken the yoke of his burden
And the staff of his shoulder,
The rod of his oppressor,
As in the day of Midian.
5 For every warrior’s sandal from the noisy battle,
And garments rolled in blood,
Will be used for burning and fuel of fire. 6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will beno end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Interesting how an image is shown here of an army's equipment being destroyed and burned as fuel just before Jesus sets up his Throne. I wasn't looking for this either, it just feel into my lap since I have to teach it tonight. Apparently this was the practice in ancient times when you conquered an army BTW. Thus Ezekiel's prophecy in ch.39 is not unique, as in it prooves that he spoke in terms of the customs of the day. I like that.

In other words, the buring of the weapons isn't something special to the prophecy, it was just God's way of relating to the people in terms that they would understand. If we take time out from trying to look real deep into it, it makes better sense when lined up with the customs of Ezekiel's day. However, Isaiah's timeline does seem to put this event as something done when Christ comes....

I thought it was interesting anyway...:)

I read the other thread about the Assyrian too...funny, that's all in this area of Scripture to...in fact, it is part of the prophecy of Isaiah. I have never heard Jesus referred to as the Assyrian (and I don't think that is right, could even be blasphemous). however, there is some credence for the A/C being from that region, or at least it is spoken of in Scripture that way. Why someone would ascribe it to Christ...I don't know why, other than to destory Jesus' credibility.

[Chris]

Here's the KJV.

Isa 9:5 For every battle of the warrior [is] with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but [this] shall be with burning [and] fuel of fire.

I'm not sure what version of the Bible you quoted, but I don't think it is saying what you want it to say. Further, it is best we don't use "obscure" passages of the Bible to interpret clear ones. Clear ones being the ones listed below in the following links. I still think that the Bible clearly show through the use of the scriptures that Ezekiel 38-39 and Armageddon are clearly two different battles. Here's a link from our library:

Gog and Magog

:: Is this "The Battle as Armageddon"

Some hold to the view that what is described here in Ezekiel is the 'The Battle of Armageddon' as described in the book of Revelation. While others believe it is an altogether different battle. (One thing we all seem to agree with is that it is after the Rapture of the church.)

While there are undoubtedly enough similarities between the passages to make this a good argument on either side. There also seems to be some very distinct differences or omissions if these scenarios where to be one in the same.

Let's start with who is "missing" in Ezekiel's description:

Egypt (Mizraim) ... a key player as "King of the South" in the Armageddon passages, is not listed in Ezekiel 38.
Babylon ... also not listed in the Ezekiel 38 scenario, yet is listed at the final battle - center stage!

Also the Armageddon passages in Daniel 11, and Revelation 16:13-21 are led by Antichrist.

The Magog Invasion is led by Gog. Unless Gog "is" in fact the Antichrist. It would be yet another distinct difference.
Another point, that may surely stand out against the two being synonymous would be the idea that in the Ezekiel passages Gog/Magog is attempting a "surprise" attack on those who think they are dwelling "safely" albeit in a false security...

But we know the Battle of Armageddon is no surprise and it occurs as the grand finale of the Great Tribulation culminating with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to rescue Israel from ALL the Nations of the world!

- Zechariah 14:2-4 "For I will gather All Nations ..."
- Zechariah 12:2-3 "all the people of the earth..."
- Revelation 16:14 "and of the whole world.."
In Ezekiel 38, it is not the "whole world" but rather a specific alliance.
It would be hard to imagine that Israel will be feeling "safe" just prior to Messiah's appearance at Armageddon. Because we also know that the last half (last 42 months) of the Tribulation (i.e. The Great Tribulation, the Time of Jacob's Trouble) it will be anything but business as usual for Israel. (Jeremiah 30:7 ... Matthew 24:21)

It seems at the time of the "attempted surprise attack" in Ezekiel 38, they are instead experiencing "peace & security" just prior to ... or at the onset of the 7 year tribulation. Which is why many place this Magog Invasion, somewhere between the Rapture of the church and the early part of the Tribulation or thereabouts.

We also know when the Antichrist shows up, it is "by peace that he will destroy many" Daniel 8:23-25
(See Also: profile of the Antichrist)

There are other definite differences. But also many similarities in the language which is why some people believe they are one and the same. (Example: Ezekiel 38:19-23 and Ezekiel 39:4-5 as compared to Revelation 19:17-21)


We will attempt to summarize the main points of each below.


#1 - The Magog Invasion
Ezekiel 38 & 39
"An Attempt to Invade Israel"
Led by Gog (Ezekiel 38:2)

Attacking a newly formed Nation of Israel. (Ezekiel 38:16)

Muslim Allies (Ezekiel 38:3-6)

Coming to take a spoil, to take a prey (Ezekiel 38:11-12)

Overflowing rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone...(Ezekiel 38:22)
Aftermath
Ezekiel 39 "Invaders Destroyed"
God intervenes ...
He supernaturally comes to Israel's rescue! (Ezekiel 39:3-7)
Clean-Up Time!
The entire chapter of Ezekiel 39 is describing the clean-up from this battle which has all the indications of being nuclear!

The weapons will be burned with fire for 7 years - (Ezekiel 39:9)

The House of Israel will be burying Gog and all his multitude for
7 months - (Ezekiel 39:12)



#2 The Battle of Armageddon
Armageddon ... Revelation 16:13-21
'An Attempt to Destroy the Jews & Wage War with The Lamb of God!'

Led by the Antichrist (Rev 16:13)
(See also: profile of the Antichrist)

Armies of the whole world gathered together by demonic forces
(Rev 16:13-14, Zechariah 14:2)

Gathering together in Har-Magedon or Armageddon (Rev 16:16)
(Valley of Jezreel,right below Mt Meggido 60 miles N of Jerusalem)

Coming against Jerusalem (Zech 14:2-4, Zech 12:2-3)
And to make war with Jesus, The Lamb, at His 2nd Coming w/ His Saints!
(Revelation 17:4, Revelation 19:11-21)

Voices, Thunders, and Lightnings (Rev 16:18)

MAJOR Earthquake! "such as was not since
men were upon the earth.."(Rev 16:18-20)

Mountains & Islands disappearing! (Revelation 16:21)

100 lb. Hailstones (Rev 16:21)

Egypt = King of the South (Daniel 11) involved.

* The Destruction of Babylon
( Is 13, Is 14, Jer 50, Jer 51, Rev 17, Rev 18)

Euphrates River dried up to prepare the way of
the 'Kings of the East' (Rev 16:12)
Aftermath

Messiah Yeshua Makes His Victory Ascent Upon Mount of Olives!
( Zechariah 14:3-4, Rev 16:17-21, Matthew 24:29, Joel 3:15-17)
The Antichrist & False Prophet Destroyed!
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh." Revelation 19:20-21 (KJV)

*Note: No mention of any clean up, which Ezekiel 39 spent entire chapter covering for the Magog Invasion. No need for Israel to burn weapons for 7 years in Millenial Kingdom.

1000 YEAR MILLENNIAL REIGN BEGINS - SATAN BOUND!

Further....................

Ezekiel 38-39 - Russia's Day of Destruction in Israel

Biblical prophecies indicate that three enormous wars will convulse the planet during the apocalyptic period known as "the last days."

The first war, as described by Ezekiel, is the War of Gog and Magog (a Russian-Arab invasion against Israel), the subject of this chapter. The second war, known as the Battle of Armageddon, will occur a minimum of seven years later. Armageddon is described in the prophecies of Joel, Zechariah, and especially the book of Revelation (16:16). This cataclysmic conflict will involve nations across the entire world as the significant armies of the East battle against the armies of the West under the Antichrist. These titanic armies will be pitted against each other and Israel. During the conclusion of this struggle, Jesus Christ will descend from heaven with His army of angels and heavenly saints (the resurrected Church). Both armies will then turn their fury against Jesus and His saints. The returning King of Kings will utterly defeat them and inaugurate the Millennium of peace under the Kingdom of God. Finally, Revelation 20:8 tells us about a third war, the final battle in human history. This will occur one thousand years after Armageddon, at the end of the Millennium. Millions of people born during the Millennium to those who survive the tribulation period will choose to join Satan in his attack against the future City of God. The prophet John foretold that his army would include the nations of "Gog and Magog," referring to Russia and other nations to the extreme north of the Holy Land.

[bghtnpd4]

Excellent points, Chris. I agree...

[Guy4God]

Agree to disagree, but it is not an obscure passage...it is a description of Christ's return and set up of his Throne. Come on now, you can certainly see that part of the prophecy...the time frame may be pre-trib, or start of trib, but the main prophecy is of The MK being established. :)

2: No big deal. I just see something a little different in Ezekiel, but not enough to go a crazy over...lol. I just thought that verse in Isaiah stood out a little...

[Chris]

Agree to disagree, but it is not an obscure passage...it is a description of Christ's return and set up of his Throne. Come on now, you can certainly see that part of the prophecy...the time frame may be pre-trib, or start of trib, but the main prophecy is of The MK being established. :)

2: No big deal. I just see something a little different in Ezekiel, but not enough to go a crazy over...lol. I just thought that verse in Isaiah stood out a little...

Oh of course, I see the verse right after #5. That is right, it is talking about the Lord setting up his MK. But in my post, I focused on your underlined #5 verse. Not the others. I did look at them together, but I don't think that it means G/M is at the end of the tribulation. Especially with the KJV that I quoted. I think it refers to something else. The Bible is full of instances where it seemingly talks about one thing, then switches to another. I think that maybe the case here.

In any regard, we have other scriptures that, including those in Ezekiel 38-39, that to me and many bible teachers, show that it is a pre-trib event. Many Bible scholars including Kelley, Jeffrey, Frutchenbaum, etc. place it pre-trib. And they are extremely good prophecy teachers.

And as a traditional, pre-trib, and conservative prophecy site, we really don't see the Gog/Magog thing at Armageddon as a biblical teaching. Not when I've listed the scripture and articles to support them being separate events. Anyway, you are free to disagree, but we might need to limit the promotion of this teaching on this board. :)

[Sing4Him]

You may want to read this:

Frustrated at their inability to profit from Israel's fortune and determined to dominate and occupy the Holy Land, the Russians had launched an attack against Israel in the middle of the night. The assault became known as the Russian Pearl Harbor . . . The number of aircraft and warheads made it clear their mission was annihilation. . . .

Miraculously, not one casualty was reported in all of Israel. Otherwise Buck might have believed some mysterious malfunction had caused missile and plane to destroy each other. But witnesses reported that I had been a firestorm, along with rain and hail and an earthquake, that consumed the entire offensive effort. . . .

Editors and readers had their own explanations for the phenomenon, but Buck admitted, if only to himself, that he became a believer in God that day. Jewish scholars pointed out passages from the Bible that talked about God destroying Israel's enemies with a firestorm, earthquake, hail, and rain. Buck was stunned when he read Ezekiel 38 and 39 about a great enemy from the north invading Israel with the help of Persia, Libya, and Ethiopia.[1]

Introduction
The Left Behind series commences with the fulfillment of the battle of Gog and Magog in Ezek 38-39. The prominence this battle is given in the Left Behind series is fitting because undoubtedly the battle of Gog and Magog in Ezek 39-39 is one of the most dramatic prophecies in the Bible. Taken literally, it predicts an eschatological invasion of Israel from every direction by a vast horde of nations, and God's direct, supernatural intervention to annihilate the invaders.

The primary purpose of this paper is to examine current events or signs of the times that point toward this future battle. In order to achieve this purpose, the text of Ezek 38-39 must first be briefly considered. Any examination of current events in light of Bible prophecy should begin with the Biblical text and then move to how events in our world seem to be setting the stage for those events. Beginning with the biblical text is a safeguard against the temptation to twist the headlines to fit the Bible. To accomplish this purpose, Ezek 38-39 will be examined using the six standard questions of journalism: who, what, when, where, why, and how.

The Participants (38:1-7) WHO?
Before considering the details of these chapters it is important at the outset to place them in their larger literary and historical setting. This basic overview of Ezekiel reveals that Ezek 38-39 appear in the restoration section of the book.

Ezek 1-24 Judgment on Judah


Ezek 25-32 Judgment on Judah's Near Enemies

Ammon, Moab, Edom, Philistia, Tyre, Sidon, and Egypt


Ezek 33-48 Restoration of Judah

Chapter 33 is the transitional chapter. Ezekiel receives news that Jerusalem has fallen. Ezekiel is re-commissioned with a message of restoration and hope that he delivers in 34-48. Ezek 36-37 prophesy the physical restoration and spiritual regeneration of Israel. Ezek 38-39 focus on God's eschatological judgment of Israel's far enemies.


The prophecy of Ezek 38-39 can be divided into two main sections: the defeat of Gog (ch. 38) and the disposal of Gog (ch. 39).[2]

The prophecy of the battle of Gog and Magog begins with a list of ten proper names in 38:1-7. The name Gog, which occurs eleven times in Ezek 38-39, is a name or title of the leader of the invasion. It is clear that Gog is an individual since he is directly addressed several times by God (38:14; 39:1) and since he is called a prince (38:2; 39:1). Many modern scholars have identified Gog with Gyges (Gugu) who was a seventh century B.C. Lydian king mentioned in six inscriptions of the Assyrian monarch Ashurbanipal. [3] Since the setting of Ezek 38-39 is eschatological, Gyges, who reigned a century before Ezekiel, cannot be the fulfillment of this prophecy. Moreover, Gyges never led an invasion into Israel. Nevertheless, it is possible that Ezekiel used Gyges as an archetype or symbol of the great eschatological invader.

The other nine proper names in Ezek 38:1-7 are specific geographical locations: Magog, Rosh, Meshech, Tubal, Persia, Cush, Put, Gomer, and Beth-togarmah. All nine of these locations are found in the Table of the Nations in Gen 10:2-7. The only one that is questionable is Rosh, but it is likely that the name Rosh is actually derived from the name Tiras in Gen 10:2. Clyde Billington notes the Akkadian tendency to drop or to change an intial "t" sound in a name especially if the initial "t" was followed by an "r" sound. If you drop the initial "T" from Tiras you are left with "ras."[4] It makes sense for Ras or Rosh to listed in Gen 10 since all the other nations in Ezek 38:1-7 are also listed there.

None of the place names in Ezek 38:1-7 exist on any modern map. Ezekiel used ancient place names that were familiar to the people of his day. While the names of these geographical locations have changed many times throughout history and may change again, the geographical territory remains the same. Regardless of what names they may carry at the time of this invasion, it is these specific geographical areas that will be involved.[5] Each of these ancient geographical locations from Ezekiel's day will be briefly examined, and the modern counterpart will be identified.

Magog
According to Josephus, the ancient Scythians inhabited the land of Magog.[6] The Scythians were northern nomadic tribes who inhabited territory from Central Asia across the southern steppes of modern Russia. Magog today probably represents the former underbelly of the Soviet Union: Kazakhstan, Kirghizia, Uzebekistan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan. Afghanistan could also be part of this territory. All of these nations are dominated by Islam with a combined total population in excess of sixty million.

Rosh
Modern prophecy teachers have often identified Rosh with Russia. However, many have begun to question this identification. There are two key issues that must be resolved to properly interpret Rosh in Ezek 38-39: 1) is Rosh a common noun or a name? and 2) does Rosh have any relation to Russia?

Rosh: Common Noun or Name?
The first point that must be considered is whether the word Rosh in Ezek 38:2, 3 and 39:1 is a proper name or simply a common noun. The word rosh in Hebrew simply means head, top, summit, or chief. It is a very common word and is used in all Semitic languages. It occurs over six hundred times in the Old Testament.

Many translations render Rosh as a common noun and translate it as the word "chief." The King James Version, Revised Standard Version, English Standard Version, New American Bible and the New International Version all adopt this translation. However, the Jerusalem Bible, New English Bible, and New American Standard Bible all translate Rosh as a proper name indicating a geographical location.

The weight of evidence favors taking Rosh as a proper name in Ezek 38-39. There are five arguments that favor this view. First, the eminent Hebrew scholars C. F. Keil and Wilhelm Gesenius both hold that the better translation of Rosh in Ezek 38:2-3 and 39:1 is as a proper noun referring to a specific geographical location.[7]

Second, the Septuagint translates Rosh as the proper name Ros (Rwj). This is especially significant since the Septuagint was translated only three centuries after Ezekiel was written (obviously much closer to the original than any modern translation). The ancient Greek translations of Symmachus and Theodotian also translated Rosh in Ezekiel 38-39 as a proper noun. [8] The mistranslation of Rosh in many modern translations as an adjective can be traced to the Latin Vulgate of Jerome.[9]

Third, many Bible dictionaries and encyclopedias, in their articles on Rosh, support taking it as a proper name in Ezek 38. Here are a few examples: New Bible Dictionary, Wycliffe Bible Dictionary, and International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.

Fourth, Rosh is mentioned the first time in Ezek 38:2 and then repeated in Ezek 38:3 and 39:1. If Rosh were simply a title, it would probably dropped in these two places because in Hebrew when titles are repeated they are generally abbreviated.

Fifth, the most impressive evidence in favor of taking Rosh as a proper name is simply that this translation is the most accurate. G. A. Cooke translates Ezek 38:2, "the chief of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal." He calls this "the most natural way of rendering the Hebrew."[10] Daniel Block says, "The issue revolves around whether ro's is the name of an ethnic group or a common noun. Both LXX avv,rconta Rwj and the construct pointing of the Masoretes argue for the former."[11] Having established that Rosh should be taken as a proper name of a geographical area, the next task is to determine what geographical location is in view.

Is Rosh Russia?
Many scholars totally dismiss any notion that the word Rosh in Ezek 38-39 could have any possible connection to modern Russia. [12] One argument against identifying Rosh with Russia is that it is "impossibly anachronistic" since the name Russia did not appear until the Middle Ages.[13] Others maintain that those who identify Rosh as Russia base the connection only on the similarity in sound between the two words. On a Bible Answer Man radio broadcast in October 2002, Hank Hannegraaf asked Gary DeMar what he thought about Tim LaHaye identifying Rosh as Russia, since the two words sound so much alike. DeMar responded, "The idea that you can take a word in Hebrew that sounds like the English word, and then go with that and to create an entire eschatological position based upon that is . . . it's nonsense." But DeMar's argument is a straw man. All competent scholars would agree that one should not equate an English word with a Hebrew word just because the two words sound alike.

There are two reasons for identifying ancient Rosh with modern Russia. First, Wilhelm Gesenius, who died in 1842 and is considered by modern Hebrew scholars as one of the greatest scholars of the Hebrew language, unquestionably believed that Rosh in Ezekiel was a proper noun identifying Russia. Gesenius says that Rosh in Ezek 38:2, 3; 39:1 is a, "pr. n. of a northern nation, mentioned with Meshech and Tubal; undoubtedly the Russians, who are mentioned by the Byzantine writers of the tenth century, under the name the Ros, dwelling to the north of Taurus . . . as dwelling on the river Rha (Wolga)."[14] This identification by Gesenius cannot be passed over lightly. As far as we know, Gesenius had no eschatological ax to grind. Yet, objectively, he says without hesitation that Rosh in Ezek 38-39 is Russia.[15] In his original Latin version of the lexicon titled Thesaurus Linguae Hebraeae et Chaldaeae Veteris Testamenti, Gesenius has nearly one page of notes dealing with the word Rosh and the Rosh people mentioned in Ezek 38-39. This page of notes does not appear in any of the English translations of Gesenius' Lexicon. Those who disagree with Gesenius have failed to refute his sizable body of convincing evidence identifying Rosh with Russia.

Second, there is considerable historical evidence that a place known as Rosh was very familiar in the ancient world. While the word has a variety of forms and spellings, it is clear that the same people are in view. Rosh (Rash) is identified as a place that existed as early as 2600 B.C. in Egyptian inscriptions. There is a later Egyptian inscription from about 1500 B.C that refers to a land called Reshu that was located to the north of Egypt.[16]

The place name Rosh (or its equivalent in the respective languages) is found at least twenty times in other ancient documents. It is found three times in the Septuagint (LXX), ten times in Sargon's inscriptions, once in Assurbanipal's cylinder, once in Sennacherib's annals, and five times in Ugaritic tablets.[17] Rosh was apparently a well-known place in Ezekiel's day. In the sixth century B.C., when Ezekiel wrote his prophecy, several bands of the Rosh people lived in an area to the north of the Black Sea.

After providing extensive evidence of the origin and early history of the Rosh people, and then tracing them through the centuries, Clyde Billington concludes:

Historical, ethnological, and archaeological evidence all favor the conclusion that the Rosh people of Ezekiel 38-39 were the ancestors of the Rus/Ros people of Europe and Asia. . . . The Rosh people who are mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39 were well-known to ancient and medieval writers by a variety of names which all derived from the names of Tiras and Rosh. . . . Those Rosh people who lived to the north of the Black Sea in ancient and medieval times were called the Rus/Ros/Rox/Aorsi from very early times. . . . From this mixture with Slavs and with the Varangian Rus in the 9th century, the Rosh people of the area north of the Black Sea formed the people known today as the Russians.[18]

Edwin Yamauchi is often quoted, especially by preterists, as the conclusive authority that Rosh cannot be Russia. He says that the name Rus, which the modern name Russia is based upon, "was brought into the region of Kiev, north of the Black Sea, by the Vikings only in the Middle Ages."[19] However, while Yamauchi is a respected scholar, his conclusion stands in direct opposition to the substantial historical evidence presented by Wilhelm Gesenius, James Price, and Clyde Billington.

Meschech and Tubal
Meshech and Tubal are normally mentioned together in Scripture. In his notes in The Scofield Study Bible at Ezek 38:2, C. I. Scofield identified Meshech and Tubal as the Russian cities of Moscow and Tobolsk. Scofield wrote, "That the primary reference is to the northern (European) powers, headed up by Russia, all agree. . . . The reference to Meshech and Tubal (Moscow and Tobolsk) is a clear mark of identification."

While the names do sound alike, this is not a proper method of identification. Meshech and Tubal are mentioned two other times in Ezekiel. In Ezek 27:13 they are mentioned as trading partners with ancient Tyre. In Ezek 32:26 their recent defeat is recorded. It is highly unlikely that ancient Tyre (modern Lebanon) was trading with Moscow and the Siberian city of Tobolsk. The preferred identification is that Meshech and Tubal are the ancient Moschoi and Tibarenoi in Greek writings or Tabal and Musku in Assyrian inscriptions.[20] The ancient locations are in modern Turkey

Persia
The words "Persia," "Persian," or "Persians" are found 35 times in the Old Testament. The ancient land of Persia became the modern nation of Iran in March 1935, and then the name was changed to the Islamic Republic of Iran in 1979. Iran's present population is 68 million.

Ethiopia (Cush)
The Hebrew word Cush in Ezek 38:5 is often translated "Ethiopia" in modern versions. According to The New Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon, ancient Cush was the "land and people of southern Nile-vally, or Upper Egypt, extending from Syene indefinitely to the south."[21] Ancient Cush was called Kusu by the Assyrians and Babylonians, Kos or Kas by the Egyptians, and Nubia by the Greeks.[22] Secular history locates Cush directly south of ancient Egypt extending down past the modern city of Khartoum, which is the capital of modern Sudan.[23] Thus, modern Sudan inhabits the ancient land of Cush. Sudan is a hard-line Islamic nation that supported Iraq in the Gulf War and harbored Osama bin Laden from 1991 to 1996.

Put
It is clear from ancient sources that Put or Phut was a North African nation (Jer 46:9; Ezek 27:10; 30:5; Nah 3:9). From the Babylon Chronicle it appears that Putu was the "distant" land to the west of Egypt, which would be modern day Libya.[24] The Septuagint renders the word Put as Libues. The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon also identifies Put with Libya.[25] Modern Libya, which is an Islamic nation, has been under the rule of Colonel Mu'ammar al-Gadhafi since 1969.

Gomer
Gomer has often been identified as Germany, or more particularly East Germany before the fall of communism. Gomer is probably a reference to the ancient Cimmerians or Kimmerioi. Ancient history identifies biblical Gomer with the Akkadian Gi-mir-ra-a and the Armenian Gamir. The Cambridge Ancient History states that the Assyrian Gimirai is the Hebrew Gomer.[26] Beginning in the eighth century B.C. the Cimmerians occupied territory in Anatolia, which is modern Turkey.[27] Josephus noted that the Gomerites were identified with the Galatians who inhabited what today is central Turkey.[28]

Beth-togarmah
The Hebrew word "beth" means "house," so Beth-togarmah means the "house of Togarmah." Beth-togarmah is mentioned in Ezek 27:14 as a nation that traded horses and mules with ancient Tyre. Ezek 38:6 states that Beth-togarmah comes from "the remote parts of the north with all its troops."Ancient Togarmah was also known as Til-garamu (Assyrian) or Tegarma (Hittite) and its territory is in modern Turkey, which is north of Israel.

Charting the Nations in Ezek 38-39
With these identifications in mind, all the nations that will participate in the battle of Gog and Magog can be seen in the following chart.

Ancient Name Modern Nation
Rosh (Rashu, Rasapu, Ros, and Rus) Russia



Magog (Scythians) Central Asia and possibly Afghanistan


Meshech (Muschki and Musku) Turkey


Tubal (Tubalu) Turkey


Persia Iran


Ethiopia (Cush) Sudan


Libya (Put or Phut) Libya


Gomer (Cimmerians) Turkey


Beth-togarmah (Til-garimmu or Tegarma) Turkey


Based on these identifications, Ezek 38-39 predicts an invasion of the land of Israel in the last days by a vast confederation of nations from north of the Black and Caspian Seas, extending down to modern Iran in the east, as far as modern Libya to the west, and down to Sudan in the south. Therefore, Russia will have at least five key allies: Turkey, Iran, Libya, Sudan, and the nations of Central Asia. Amazingly, all of these nations are Muslim nations and Iran, Libya, and Sudan are three of Israel's most ardent opponents. Iran is one of the "axis of evil" nations that is trying desperately to attain nuclear weapons. Many of these nations are hotbeds of militant Islam and are either forming or strengthening their ties as these words are being written. This list of nations reads like the Who's Who of this week's newspaper. It does not require a very active imagination to envision these nations conspiring together to invade Israel in the near future.

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[Sing4Him]

The Period (38:8) WHEN?
There appears to be a general consensus concerning the basic composition of the invading army and the course of events in the battle of Gog and Magog. By far, the most controversial issue in Ezek 39-39 is the setting or timing of the invasion. Concerning this issue one would be wise to follow the advice of Clarence E. Mason. "One thing is certain; no teacher should speak dogmatically on a prophecy like that of Gog and Magog in Ezek 39-39. So many different views have been offered that it is difficult to sift, discard, and retain. . . . It is the details, particularly as to the time of the action, regarding which there is disagreement."[29] There are seven main views of the timing of the invasion. Each of these views will be briefly presented and critiqued.

Preterist View
Preterists contend that the events in Ezek 38-39 have already occurred. Gary DeMar argues strenuously for a "literal" interpretation of Ezek 38-39, and repeatedly criticizes Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins for interpreting these chapters symbolically, thereby, spiritualizing the text. DeMar insists that Ezek 38-39 was "literally" fulfilled by the events described in Esth 9 occurring in about 473 B.C. in the days of Queen Esther of Persia.[30] DeMar states that the parallels between the battles in Ezek 38-39 and Esther are "unmistakeable."[31]

DeMar, however, fails to account for several clear differences between Ezek 38-39 and Esth 9. A simple reading of the two passages reveals that they cannot possibly be describing the same event. Here are five of the more apparent and problematic inconsistencies.

Ezek 38-39 Esth 9 The land of Israel is invaded (38:16). Jews are attacked in cities
The enemies fall on the mountains throughout the Persian

of Israel (39:4). Gog, the leader of the empire and defend

invasion, is buried in Israel (39:11) themselves (9:2). The enemies die throughout the Persian empire.


The Jews bury the dead bodies over No need to cleanse the land

a period of seven months to cleanse the because the bodies are not in

land of Israel (39:12) the land of Israel.


The invaders are destroyed by a Attackers are killed by the

massive earthquake in the land of Israel, Jewish people themselves

infighting, plagues, and fire from heaven assisted by local government

(38:19-22). God destroys the enemies leaders (9:3-5)

supernaturally.


Invaders are from as far west as The Persian empire never

ancient Put (modern Libya) included these areas. It only

(Ezek 38:5) and as far north as Magog, extended as far west as Cush

the land of the Scythians. (modern Sudan) (Esth 8:9) and as far north as the southern part of the Black and Caspian Seas.


God sends fire upon Magog and those There is nothing even close

who inhabit the coastlands (39:6) to this in Esth 9.


One important question we might ask at this point is-if Ezek 38-39 was fulfilled in the events of Esth 9, why did this escape the notice of everyone in Esther's day? Why is there no mention in Esther of this great fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy? And why are there no Jewish scholars in that day or subsequently who recognized this fulfillment? The answer seems quite clear. Esth 9 did not fulfill Ezek 38-39.

An important Jewish holiday known as Purim developed out of the Esther event (9:20-32). This is a joyous annual holiday to celebrate God's deliverance of Israel from the hand of her enemies. Purim's celebration includes the public reading of the book of Esther, but no tradition has developed or even been heard of in which the Jews read Ezek 38-39 in connection with this observance. If Ezek 38-39 had been a fulfillment of Esther, then no doubt a tradition of reading that passage would have arisen in conjunction with the celebration.

Fortunately, Ezekiel states in general terms when this invasion will occur. In Ezek 38:8, he says specifically that this invasion will occur in the "latter years." This is the only occurrence of this exact phrase in the Old Testament.

Another similar phrase occurs a few verses later in Ezek 38:16. "It will come about in the last days that I shall bring you against My land" (italics added). This phrase is used in the Old Testament in reference to Israel's final time of distress or to Israel's final restoration to the Messianic kingdom (Isa 2:2; Jer 23:20; 30:24; Hos 3:5; Mic 4:1). Likewise, in Ezek 38:16, the phrase "in the last days" is a technical term that refers to the end times.[32] Therefore, Ezekiel is telling us that this invasion will occur in the final time of history in preparation for the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom of Christ.

Another very simple reason we can know that this invasion is still future is that nothing even remotely similar to the events in Ezek 38-39 has ever occurred in the past. When has Israel ever been invaded by all these nations listed in Ezek 38:1-6? Or when did God ever destroy an invading army like this with fire and brimstone from heaven, plagues, earthquakes, and infighting among the invaders (Ezek 38:19-22). The answer? Never. That is because Ezekiel is describing an invasion that is still future even in our day.

Pre-Tribulation View
The other seven views of the timing of this invasion are held by futurists. The first of these views is the pre-tribulation view. This view is held by Tim LaHaye, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Tommy Ice, and Randall Price. It is the view expressed in the Left Behind series where the Gog and Magog invasion occurs before the rapture. Those who hold this view believe that the invasion will occur before the tribulation begins, and possibly even before the rapture. However, in keeping with the imminency of the rapture, they carefully avoid saying that it must occur before the rapture.

The pre-tribulation view has two main strengths. First, it fits well with the seven years for burning the weapons and seven months to bury the dead in Ezek 39:9-12. Under this view, the seven years in Ezek 39:9 corresponds with the seventieth week of Dan 9:27. Second, this view provides a reasonable explanation for how the Jewish people will be able to construct a temple on the temple mount in Jerusalem. If the armies of many of the major Islamic nations are decimated in Israel before the tribulation begins, the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem could be accomplished with much less Muslim resistance.

This view has two main weaknesses. First, according to Ezek 38:8 and 16 the invasion will occur in the "latter years" or "last days." As noted above, these expressions appear to refer to the final time of Israel's distress and restoration, or the end-times. These chronological indicators point to a time period after the beginning of the tribulation rather than a time within the church age or during the time between the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation.

Second, the invasion will occur at a time when Israel is "at rest," "living securely," and dwelling in "unwalled villages." Fruchtenbaum maintains that the Hebrew root batach which appears in Ezek 38:8 and 11 simply means "security." He says, "This is not a security due to a state of peace, but a security due to confidence in their own strength. This, too, is a good description of Israel today. The Israeli army has fought four major wars since its founding and won them swiftly each time. Today Israel is secure, confident that her army can repel any invasion from the Arab states. Hence, Israel is dwelling securely"[33]

It is true that the inhabitants of modern Israel live in unwalled villages and have some degree of security due to their military might. However, they are not "at rest" as required by Ezek 38:11. The Hebrew word translated "at rest" (jqv) means "be quiet, undisturbed."[34] This hardly describes Israel today. The nation is one huge armed camp.[35] The people are disturbed on a regular basis by threats and homicide bombings. Since 1948, Israel has lived under the constant threat of terrorist attacks and invasion by her neighbors. The terminology in Ezek 38 fits much better with the first half of the seventieth week of Daniel when Israel will enjoy the protection of her covenant with Antichrist and will temporarily let down her guard (Dan 9:27).

First Half of the Tribulation View
Another common view is that the invasion will occur during the first half of the tribulation. Most who hold this view place it closer to the midpoint of the tribulation. This view is held by John Walvoord, J. Dwight Pentecost, Charles Ryrie, and Herman Hoyt. There are two main strengths of this view. First, it provides an excellent explanation for Israel's peace and security described in Ezek 38:8 and 11.

As John Walvoord states,

One of the principal questions one could ask about this battle is, When is the battle going to occur? . . . Unfortunately, varying opinions have been offered by capable Bible scholars on this point, and there has been considerable disagreement. . . . It will not be possible to consider all these view in detail, but there are some hints that provide a good clue as to when this battle will take place. One of the hints given is that the battle takes place at a time when Israel has been regathered into their ancient land, and is dwelling securely and at rest. There are not too many times when Israel is at rest in God's prophetic program. They have been scattered and persecuted over the face of the earth, and not even in the future will Israel have many periods of rest. Certainly, Israel is not at rest today. Israel is an armed camp. . . . There is only one period in the future that clearly fits this description of Ezekiel, and this is the first half of Daniel's seventieth week of God's program for Israel (Dan 9:27).[36]

After discussing the coming ruler who will arise from the ten-nation confederacy after the rapture and make a seven-year covenant with Israel, Walvoord concludes: "Under that covenant, Israel will be able to relax, for their Gentile enemies will have become their friends, apparently guaranteeing their borders and promised them freedom. During that first three and one-half years, we have the one time when regathered Israel is at rest and secure. Apparently Russia will invade the land of Israel during that period, possibly toward its close, and the Scripture will then be fulfilled."[37]

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Second, this view provides a reasonable scenario for the Antichrist's ascent to world domination at the mid-point of the tribulation. If the armies of Russia and her Islamic allies are wiped out in Israel some time before the mid-point of the tribulation, this would create a massive power vacuum and a dramatic shift in the balance of power that would allow the Antichrist to ascend to world domination as predicted in Rev 13.

The primary weakness of this view is that it does not deal very well with the seven months of burying the dead and the seven years of burning the weapons. However, if the invasion occurs at least one year before the mid-point of the tribulation, then it is possible for the dead bodies to be buried before the Antichrist invades Israel and begins his reign of terror. The burning of the weapons could continue into the beginning of the millennial kingdom.

End of the Tribulation View
Several well-known commentators and prophecy teachers view the battle of Gog and Magog in conjunction with the campaign of Armageddon at the end of the tribulation. There are two main strengths of this view. First, the invitation in Ezek 39:4 and 39:17-20 for the birds and beasts to feed on the carnage after the battle of Gog and Magog seems to parallel the description of the great supper after Armageddon in Rev 19:17-18. Second, this view dovetails nicely with the statements about Israel's salvation after the invasion since according to Zech 12:10 Israel will turn to the Lord en masse at the end of the tribulation. Ezek 39:22 and 29 say, "And the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God from that day onward. . . . And I will no longer hide My face from them any longer, for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,' declares the Lord."

There are four main obstacles to this view. First, Ezek 38 names specific allies, whereas Armageddon involves all the nations of the earth. Second, in Ezek 39 the destruction is on the mountains of Israel while at Armageddon it stretches from Megiddo in the north to Petra in the south. Third, in Ezekiel the armies are destroyed by convulsions of nature, but at Armageddon they are destroyed by the personal appearance of Christ. Fourth, and most importantly, at the end of the tribulation Israel will not be "at rest" or "living securely." Many will have fled into the wilderness and the rest of the Jewish people will have endured three and a half years of persecution by the Antichrist. The end of the tribulation will be one time when Israel will not be "at rest" or "living securely."

Beginning of the Millennium View
Another view, that is not very commonly held today, is that the invasion will be part of the judgment of the nations after the Second Coming of Christ. Arno Gaebelein, the main proponent of this view, used two main arguments to support his position. First, he argued that the restoration and rest language in Ezek 38:8 points to a time "when the Lord has brought back His people and resumed His relationship with the remnant of Israel."[38] Second, Gaebelein believed that the judgment of the living nations in Matt 25:31-46 will cover a considerable period of time and that the Gog and Magog invasion will be the climax of that judgment. Gaebelein described his view of the early part of the millennial kingdom. "There is first the Davidic aspect. He will begin to reign first as David did; His people are with Him and blessed, but all their enemies are not yet subdued or overcome. He will have to rule first with a rod of iron. And then when this final enemy is dealt with, He begins to reign as Prince of Peace, foreshadowed in the Solomonic reign. Gog and Magog, etc., complete and end the judgment of the nations. They are the last enemies to disappear."[39]

There are several problems with this view, but the main obstacle is that it is after this invasion that Israel returns to the Lord according to Ezek 38:23; 39:6-7, 25-29. Adopting this view would place the repentance of Israel at the end of the 75-day transition period between Christ's second advent and the official beginning of the millennium.

Two Phase Fulfillment View
Harold Hoehner contends that Ezek 38-39 will be fulfilled in two phases.[40] He believes that Ezek 38 will be fulfilled early in the tribulation and that Ezek 39 will be fulfilled at the end of the tribulation. The strength of this view is that it harmonizes the text well with other related texts such as Rev 19. However, the main weakness of this view is that Ezek 38 and 39 appear to be describing the same invasion and its aftermath not two distinct phases separated by several years.

Along these same lines, Ralph Alexander contends that Ezek 38-39 have a double fulfillment in Rev 19:17-21 at the end of the tribulation and in Rev 20:8 at the end of the millennium with the former fulfillment prefiguring the latter.[41] Although prefiguring, foreshadowing, and typology are present in the OT, I reject the notion of double fulfillment or double meaning in prophecy. Neither the text nor the context of Ezek 38-39 provides any indication that it will be fulfilled on two occasions.

Post-Millennial View
The final view of the timing of Ezek 38-39 is at the end of the millennium. The strength of this view is that a battle of Gog and Magog is mentioned in Rev 20:7-10 after the millennial kingdom in conjunction with the release of Satan from the abyss. Although the mention of Gog and Magog in both texts makes this view initially attractive, there are four reasons for rejecting it. First, Gog and Magog in Ezek 38-39 is before the millennium which is described in Ezek 40-48; whereas, in Rev 20:7-10 the battle of Gog and Magog is after the millennium described in Rev 20:1-6. Second, in Ezek 39 the bodies of Gog and his troops are buried for seven months and the weapons are burned for seven years after the battle, yet in Rev 20-21 the Great White Throne, new heaven and new earth, and eternal state immediately follow the battle of Gog and Magog. The post-millennial view would require the burying and burning to continue into the eternal state.

Therefore, the mention of Gog and Magog in Rev 20:7 is not the fulfillment of Ezek 38-39. These two events are separated by over one thousand years. The words Gog and Magog in Rev 20:8 are probably used as someone today would apply the word "Waterloo" as a shorthand way to signal a crushing military defeat.[42] During the millennium, the defeat of Gog and Magog in Ezek 38-39 will apparently become legendary among the nations. John applies this overwhelming defeat to a new historical situation. Satan will lead this final invasion and will meet his "Waterloo"-his "Gog and Magog."[43]

Conclusion
While no view of the timing of Ezek 38-39 is without difficulty, the best view is that the invasion will occur during the first half of the tribulation when Israel has her guard down due to her covenant with Antichrist (Dan 9:27).

The Purpose (38:9-12) WHY?
The fourth key issue that is addressed in Ezek 38-39 is the purpose of this invasion. Both the human and the divine purpose for the invasion are given. The invading force will have four main goals: 1) to acquire more territory (38:8), 2) to amass wealth (38:12), 3) to totally destroy the people of Israel (38:10, 16), and 4) to directly confront and challenge the Antichrist or the West who will be Israel's ally as a result of the covenant in Dan 9:27 (This fourth purpose is only valid if one adopts the first half of the tribulation as the setting for the invasion). The divine purpose in allowing this invasion is expressed in 38:14-16b. Through the attack God will be sanctified in the eyes of the nations.

The Proceedings (38:13-39:20) WHAT?
Beginning in Ezek 38:13 and continuing through Ezek 39:20 the text focuses on the invasion, the fate of the invaders, and the aftermath of the invasion. When these nations invade the land of Israel, it will look like the biggest mismatch in history. It will make the invasions of Israel in 1967 and 1973 by the Arab nations pale in comparison. When Russia assembles this last days strike force, it will look like Israel is finished. But God is in control of the entire situation. He will mount up in His fury to destroy these godless invaders. "It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel, declares the Lord God, that my fury will mount up in My anger. In my zeal and in My blazing wrath" (Ezek. 39:18-19a).

The Annihilation
God will intervene to rescue his helpless people and will use four means to destroy Russia and her allies. The four means of destruction are listed in Ezek 38:19-22: 1) a great earthquake, 2) infighting among the troops of the various nations (in the chaos after the powerful earthquake, the armies of each of the nations represented will turn against each other. This will be the largest case of death by friendly fire in human history), 3) disease, and 4) torrential rain, hailstones, fire, and burning sulphur. The famous Six Day war occurred in Israel in June, 1967. This will be the "One Day War" or even the "One Hour War" when God supernaturally destroys this Russian-Islamic horde.

The Aftermath
There are four key events that occur in the aftermath of this invasion.

1. The Birds and the Beasts (Ezek. 39:4-5,17-20; cf. Rev. 19:17-18) The carnage that results from this slaughter will provide a great feast for the birds of the air and the beasts of the field. God refers to the carnage as "My sacrifice" and "My table" to which He invites the birds and the beasts as His guests.


2. The Burying of the Dead for 7 Months (Ezek. 39:11-12, 14-16) Clean-up squads will be assembled to go through the land. They will set up markers wherever they see a human bone. When the gravediggers come behind them they will see the markers and take the remains to the Valley of Gog's Hordes for burial. The cleansing will be so extensive that a town will be established in the valley at the gravesites to aid those who are cleansing the land. The name of the town will be Hamonah (horde).


3. The Burning of the Weapons for 7 Years (Ezek. 39:9-10)


4. The Blessing of Salvation (39:22) In the midst of His wrath and fury, God will also pour out His grace and mercy. God will use the awesome display of His power against Russia and her allies to bring many to salvation of both Jews and Gentiles. Many of those who turn to the true God as a result of this demonstration of His power will undoubtedly be among the vast group of the redeemed in Rev 7:9-14.

What About the Weapons and Horses?
One issue that must be considered in any discussion of Ezek 38-39 is the nature of the weapons and the means of transportation. The weapons mentioned in Ezek 38-39 are ancient weapons that are made out of wood such as bows, arrows, shields, war clubs, and spears (39:9), and the means of transportation for the invaders is horses (38:15). How do we account for these ancient weapons if this invasion is in the end times?

There are two main views among futurists. First, it is possible that due to some form of disarmament the nations will resort to primitive weapons that can be constructed secretly and easily if a surprise attack were to be successfully achieved.[44] Second, the ancient weapons mentioned could be understood as their modern counterparts. While no view of the nature of the weapons is without problems, this is probably the best view. Ezekiel, inspired by the Holy Spirit, spoke in language that the people of that day could understand. If he had spoken of planes, missiles, tanks, and rifles this text would have been nonsensical to everyone until the twentieth century. Moreover, the main point of Ezekiel's great prophecy is that a specific group of nations will attack Israel intent on completely destroying her. The focus clearly is not the specific weapons that will be used by these invaders. Ezekiel communicates in the only way that he can the powerful and well-equipped nature of the invaders.[45] Preterist Gary DeMar seizes this opportunity to argue that if the weapons are not bows, arrows, and shields, then futurists do not interpret this section of Ezekiel literally.[46]

However, this "modernizing" of the weapons is not spiritualizing the text but rather understanding God's Word in its historical context in light of the original audience. The Holy Spirit speaks to people in their own context and culture in ways that communicate God's truth in a meaningful, understandable way. Furthermore, DeMar's notion that Ezek 38-39 was fulfilled in the events of Esth 9 creates far more problems than how to interpret the weapons.

As noted earlier, nine specific ancient nations are mentioned in Ezek 38:1-6. Just as with the weapons, these exact nations, under these specific ancient names, will not attack Israel because they no longer exist under the names in Ezek 38. Obviously, there is no Rosh, Gomer, Magog, Meshech, Togarmah, or Put today on any world map. The names of some of these areas have changed numerous times through the millennia. But the modern nations that inhabit the same geographical territory as the ancient nations will invade Israel. Again, the Holy Spirit speaks to people in language they can grasp. He used the ancient names of these places going all the way back to Gen 10 to clearly identify the geographical areas that will invade Israel in the end times.

The contemporary counterparts that inhabit these same geographical areas in the end times will come against Israel. Likewise, Ezekiel used ancient weapons that were familiar to his audience to describe a future battle in which modern weapons will be employed. This brief chart demonstrates how Ezekiel used ancient weapons and places that people in his own day could understand and that can still be applied 2,500 years later.


Ezek 38-39 End-Time Fulfillment
Ancient weapons that are Modern weapons that correspond

no longer used by civilized nations. to the ancient weapons.


Ancient nations that no longer exist Contemporary counterparts in the

under the names in Ezekiel. same geographical locations

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The Prophetic Significance HOW?
Having briefly examined some of the key issues related to Ezek 38-39, the final question to consider is how the world stage today is being set for the fulfillment of this incredible prophecy. What are the prerequisites for this invasion? What recent or current developments correspond with Ezekiel's prophecy? Eight major events in the last sixty years point toward the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy.

Israel Regathered in Unbelief
First, for the events of Ezek 38-39 to be fulfilled Israel must be regathered to her land in unbelief. Ezek 38 follows the famous dry bones vision in Ezek 37 that pictures the physical restoration of Judah and Israel to the land followed by her spiritual restoration to the Lord. In Ezek 37 the restoration occurs in stages. It begins with restoration to the land in unbelief. Israel's initial regathering in unbelief is further confirmed by the fact that only after the battle of Gog and Magog do many in Israel turn to the Lord (Ezek 39:22).

Israel's regathering in unbelief has occurred dramatically in stages beginning in 1871 and continuing up to the present day. It is projected that in 2006 for the first time in about 1,900 years Israel will become home to the largest Jewish community in the world, surpassing the Jewish population in the United States. A report from the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute says that the Jewish population of Israel is about 5.24 million while the Jewish population in the U.S. is about 5.28 million. However, the balance is quickly shifting and is expected to tip in favor of Israel sometime in 2006. The report from the thinktank also predicted the Jewish population of Israel will grow to 6.23 million by 2020 from 650,000 when the Jewish state was founded in 1948. Thus, what we see happening before our eyes, the restored Jewish state in unbelief, is a necessary precondition for Ezekiel's prophecy to be fulfilled.

The Mountains of Israel
Second, according to Ezek 39:2, 4, Israel must possess the "mountains of Israel" when this invasion occurs. Ezek 39:2, 4 says, "and I shall turn you around, drive you on, take you up from the remotest parts of the north, and bring you against the mountains of Israel. . . You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops, and the peoples who are with you; I shall give you as food to every kind of predatory bird and beast of the field."

Arnold Fruchtenbaum notes the significance of modern developments in Israel to set the stage for this event. "Here is another example of where the Six Day War has set the stage for the fulfillment of this prophecy. Up to the Six Day War in 1967 all of the mountains of Israel, except for a small corridor of West Jerusalem, were entirely in the hands of the Jordanian Arabs. Only since 1967 have the mountains of Israel been in Israel, thus setting the stage for the fulfillment of this prophecy."[47]

Israel Living Securely
Third, Israel must be "at rest" and "living securely" when this invasion occurs. The drive for peace in the Middle East has consumed Western diplomats and dominates world news. From the Oslo Accords to the Roadmap for Peace, brokering a peace agreement between Israel and her neighbors is one of the major international priorities. A peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis is integrally linked to stability in the Middle East and Persian Gulf. The ongoing quest for Middle East peace points toward the peace treaty in Dan 9:27 and the period of security in Ezek 38.

Some have recently noted the construction of the security fence or wall in Israel and its relevance to the statement in Ezekiel that Israel must be a land of "unwalled villages" for the Gog invasion to occur. The security fence in Israel is a separation barrier between Israel and territory occupied by the Palestinians to prevent the infiltration of terrorists. It is not a wall around a particular village or city. Moreover, 97% of the planned 400-mile security barrier will be chain link fence. Only about ten miles of the wall is constructed of pre-fabricated concrete. While it is possible that the barrier will be removed at some point in the future as a result of a peace agreement, this is not necessary for Ezek 38-39 to be fulfilled since the fence does not encircle any city or village.

Rise of Russia
Fourth, Russia has risen to world prominence, which is a necessary prerequisite for this invasion. Along with the United States, Russia (previously the Soviet Union) has been the world's great military power. Although some hopeful signs of democracy appeared in Russia after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, there are growing fears that Russia today is regressing back to her old totalitarian, autocratic ways. Russian president Vladimir Putin and all of the key leaders in his government come from the upper ranks of the KGB. Putin has made numerous moves in recent months to centralize authority. Experts maintain the Russia's oil wealth is allowing Putin to take the country back toward autocracy without any public outcry. Russia has a vital interest in the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Some control over this area is vital to Russia's national security. For Russia, an invasion of Israel with an Islamic coalition would be an opportunity for her to reclaim her lost glory and assert control over the Middle East.

Islam and Terror
Fifth, the rise of pandemic Islamic fundamentalism with its virulent anti-Semitism and a hatred of the restored Jewish state provides a powerful motivation for this invasion. While Islam is and always has been a religion of violence and terror, the modern rise of the Islamic, terrorist state began in 1979 in Iran when the Shah was ousted by the Ayatollah Khomeini. Iran has exported this terror movement to neighboring Islamic nations. Of course, Ezekiel does not mention Islam or terrorism as a driving force behind this invasion since Islam did not exist until the seventh century A.D. However, the geographical areas he identified as participant in this invasion are all identifiable Islamic nations today with the exception of Russia (Central Asia, Libya, Sudan, Iran, and Turkey). This sets the stage for the final jihad into Israel depicted in Ezekiel's prophecy. For these Islamic allies the Gog and Magog invasion will be an opening to drive Israel into the sea and lure the West into a final clash of civilizations since Israel will be protected by her covenant with Antichrist.

Ironically, Islam has its own version of the Battle of Gog and Magog called the War of Yajuj and Majuj. In two places the Koran specifically mentions "Gog and Magog" (Yajuj and Majuj) by name (18:96; 21:96). Islamic eschatology teaches that there are ten major signs that signal the approach of the end and the day of resurrection. There are various opinions about the order of these signs, but in at least one list Gog and Magog is the number four sign. According to Islamic teaching, Gog and Magog are two groups of Turks that were spreading corruption through the earth during the time of Abraham. Finally, to keep them in check they were enclosed behind a great barrier. They tried in vain to climb over it and have been trying to dig under the wall for centuries, but they will not be able to get out until Allah decrees that they can be released. Then, the barrier will collapse, and Gog and Magog will pour out in all directions rushing into the land of Israel to attack the Muslims there. When Jesus prays against Gog and Magog, Allah will wipe them out by means of some kind of disease or plague that he will send upon them. The disease is described as either infectious, lethal boils, or a disease that eats the flesh from their bones. If that sounds familiar, it should. It was evidently taken by Mohammed straight from Ezek 38 with a few convenient changes to fit his own ends. Ezek 38:22 specifically says that God will destroy the invaders with disease and with blood. Therefore, while Muslims believe in the prophecy of Gog and Magog, they appear to be totally ignorant of the fact that all the nations in Ezek 38 that will be destroyed by God are Muslim nations today, with the exception of Russia. One of their ten great signs of the end will actually be fulfilled by them when they attack Israel in the last days.

Iran's Increase
Sixth, Iran (Persia) is a key player on the world scene today as required by Ezek 38:5.

Clearly, Iran is public enemy #1 today for the world. As home to radical jihadists and a supporter of terror groups around the world Iran cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. This is unthinkable. Therefore, we can expect a great deal of focus on Iran in the near future. And all of this is greatly exacerbated and complicated by the fact that Iran has about 10% of the world's proven oil reserves. Uncertainty over the situation in Iran is part of the reason that oil prices reached an all-time high every day during the week of August 8-12, closing at over $65 a barrel.

To make matters even worse, in August, 2005 the Iranian people elected the hardliner, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as their new president. The 47-year-old President of Iran is the former mayor of Tehran and former Republican Guard commander. On October 26, 2005 when he said flat out that Israel should be "wiped off the map," and said that "anyone who signs a treaty with Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world." He further called for Iranians "to riot against Zionists (Israel) and unbelievers" in a nationwide demonstration on Friday, October 27, 2005 during al-Quds-or Jerusalem-Day. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad participated in the demonstration himself along with about one million others who backed his call for the destruction of the Jewish State. The marchers carried placards that read, "Death to Israel, death to America." All of this comes at a time when the United Nations is cautiously dealing with Iran about sanctions over its nuclear program. Needless to say, tensions in the region are mounting. Iran is awash in oil money and is earnestly seeking nuclear weapons.

Turkey Turns East
Seventh, for the battle of Gog and Magog to occur Turkey must be willing to join the coalition of nations against Israel. In recent years Turkey has made every attempt to become part of the European Union. For this reason Turkey's participation in the Gog alliance against Israel appeared highly unlikely. However, it now appears certain that the EU will reject Turkey's bid for admission. On October 3, 2005, with great fanfare the European Union launched formal negotiations in Brussels to discuss Turkey's admittance to membership in the European club. Several months earlier European leaders had decided to open talks to consider Turkey's admission to the EU. Even the possibility of this merger was hailed as the meeting of East and West. But it is generally agreed at this point that Turkey basically has no hope of joining the EU. Both France and the Netherlands rejected the proposed EU constitution, and one of their main objections was the notion of enlargement, especially admitting Turkey to the EU. Support for Turkish accession among the 15 EU countries that have been members the longest is only at 32%. However, the EU does not want to alienate the Turks; thus, the EU appears to be stringing Turkey along for geopolitics. There are five key reasons the EU will reject Turkey:

1. It is a Muslim country. Islam phobia is on the rise in Europe. This feeling will be heightened in light of the recent insurrection in France.


2. It is too big. With 70 million people, Turkey would be the second largest EU nation behind Germany.


3. It is agrarian. The EU supports farmers with huge subsidies.


4. It is poor. Turkey's gross domestic product per capita is only 27% of the national average.


5. It has enemies. Turkey faces two historic enemies within the EU: Greece and Cyprus.[48]


These developments are interesting since the Bible predicts in Ezek 38 that Turkey will be part of a massive Russian-led invasion of Israel in the end times. The main countries that will participate in this invasion are Russia, Iran, Libya, Sudan, Central Asian nations, and Turkey. At present the government of Vladimir Putin in Russia is gaining greater control and appears to be moving back toward the days of communist dictatorship. Iran, Libya, Sudan, and the nations of Central Asia are all predominantly Islamic, and it is not too difficult to see them all joining in for one last jihad against Israel. But as Turkey moved more and more toward the west it appeared highly unlikely that she would ally herself with a Russian-Islamic coalition against Israel. But that seems to be changing. Turkey's admission to the EU is hopeless at this point. And when Turkey is rejected by the West, she will have to look elsewhere to bolster her strategic ambitions.

The AKP (Justice and Development party) of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is an avowedly Islamic party that poses a difficult challenge to Turkey's 80-year-old secularism founded by Ataturk. It seems clear that the AKP wants to move the country and its foreign policy in a more Islamic direction. In recent months, Erdogan has reached out to some very unsavory characters in Turkey's neighborhood. He visited President Bashar Assad in Syria earlier this year and traveled to Iran to meet with the Iranian mullahs.[49]

Erdogan's chief adviser, Ahmet Davutoglu, is the driving force behind Turkey's foreign policy changes. He is now contending that Turkey has a historic opportunity to be a leader in the Muslim world. He also believes that her geographic position requires improved relations with Russia. Earlier this year, overcoming decades of enmity, Turkey signed a trade pact with Russia. At the same time Turkey is begin rebuffed by Europe and is warming relations with Russia, anti-Semitism in Turkey has been growing in the last few years. According to a recent article in The Weekly Standard (8/29/05), "At any bookstore in Istanbul or Ankara you will find prominently displayed Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf, a popular seller these days."

While there may be many twists and turns in Turkey and other nations of the world before the rapture occurs, what is occurring there right now appears to be moving Turkey back toward Russia and the Muslim world just as one would expect if the battle of Gog and Magog is near.

Sheba, Dedan, and Tarshish
Eighth, Ezek 38:13 mentions "Sheba and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all its villages" as lodging a lame protest against the Gog and Magog invasion of Israel. There is general agreement that Sheba and Dedan inhabited northern Arabia, or what today is Saudi Arabia.

The phrase "with all its villages" or "all the young lions thereof" (KJV) after the name Tarshish is a Hebrew idiom referring to the nations that come out of Tarshish.[50] The question is-where was ancient Tarshish? Some maintain that Tarshish was in what today is England. If this location is accepted, then "all its villages" would include the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.[51] Ancient Tarshish is probably the Phoenician colony in what today is Spain. Tarshish is also mentioned in Ezek 27:12. If this identification is accepted, "all its villages" could be a reference to the nations of Central and South America and could possibly include America since Spain was involved in discovering North America and ruling over parts of it for a time.[52] Or, it is possible that Tarshish, which was the farthest known land to the west of Israel, could denote all the nations of Western Europe.

Whichever view one adopts, Ezek 38:13 indicates that Saudi Arabia and at least some part of Western Europe and the nations that have come from it will object to this invasion by Russia and an Islamic horde. Although Saudi Arabia is no great friend of the west, she is the one Islamic nation that consistently serves her own self-interest by conveniently allying herself with western nations. Thus, the mention of a protest by Sheba, Dedan, and Tarshish corresponds with current developments.

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Conclusion
Events in our world today strikingly foreshadow the prophecy of the battle of Gog and Magog in Ezek 38-39. All of the necessary antecedents for the fulfillment of this prophecy are in place or are moving in that direction. The Jewish people have been regathered to their land in unbelief, the Middle East peace process is front and center in international diplomacy, and the invaders in Ezek 38 are identifiable nations who have both the desire and the potential to fulfill the Gog prophecy.

In his commentary on Ezekiel, published in 1987, W. A. Criswell wrote these timely words concerning the prophecy of Ezek 38-39. "The prophet Ezekiel lived 2,500 years ago, and yet he writes as though he were a correspondent for the daily newspapers of the earth. What he says is so pertinent this moment that it is as though he lived in the places where history is unfolding before our very eyes."[53] The remarkable correspondence between world events and what Ezekiel predicted is another indication that the coming of the Lord could be very soon.

Dr. Mark Hitchcock

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This view has two main weaknesses. First, according to Ezek 38:8 and 16 the invasion will occur in the "latter years" or "last days." As noted above, these expressions appear to refer to the final time of Israel's distress and restoration, or the end-times. These chronological indicators point to a time period after the beginning of the tribulation rather than a time within the church age or during the time between the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation.

Many Bible teachers see the latter years as starting when Israel became a country again. The final generation or so. It's been nearly 2,000 years since the Lord was here last. We are definitely in the latter days. I don't agree that the latter days refer to simply the tribulation period.

Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

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Second, the invasion will occur at a time when Israel is "at rest," "living securely," and dwelling in "unwalled villages." Fruchtenbaum maintains that the Hebrew root batach which appears in Ezek 38:8 and 11 simply means "security." He says, "This is not a security due to a state of peace, but a security due to confidence in their own strength. This, too, is a good description of Israel today. The Israeli army has fought four major wars since its founding and won them swiftly each time. Today Israel is secure, confident that her army can repel any invasion from the Arab states. Hence, Israel is dwelling securely"[33]

It is true that the inhabitants of modern Israel live in unwalled villages and have some degree of security due to their military might. However, they are not "at rest" as required by Ezek 38:11. The Hebrew word translated "at rest" (jqv) means "be quiet, undisturbed."[34] This hardly describes Israel today. The nation is one huge armed camp.[35] The people are disturbed on a regular basis by threats and homicide bombings. Since 1948, Israel has lived under the constant threat of terrorist attacks and invasion by her neighbors. The terminology in Ezek 38 fits much better with the first half of the seventieth week of Daniel when Israel will enjoy the protection of her covenant with Antichrist and will temporarily let down her guard (Dan 9:27).

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/...l-38-39-part-2

Israel is described here as a country at peace in the idiom of Ezekiel's day, a land of unwalled villages, when this enemy coalition attacks, and other countries not mentioned before take notice.

Another interesting thing to note about Ezekiel 38-39 is that it specificallys says that the weapons will burn for 7 years. The Tribulation period is specifically 7 years exact. IMHO, this war will occur at the very latest, the day of the 7 year covenant, but most likely sometime before, which is why most sound Bible teachers of today list it as a pre-trib event. JMHO.

Further, the G/M war is a war that ignites the spirit again for Israel towards God. Rigth now, 90% of the country is secular and has no desire to worship God, despite Israel's early history. There has to be a spiritual rebirth in their hearts before they will want a Temple. And that is where the Ezekiel 38-39 conflict comes in. It is the event that triggers that spiritual rebirth. :)

And after the G/M war, with the Rapture having already occured, the stage will be set for the AC to rise and make the ill fated 7 year covenant with Israel. :)

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Ok, Sing4, my eyes are bleeding again...:woah: