Timing of Rapture

[beameup]

After considering the as yet unfulfilled prophesy of Psalm 83 it is generally recognized that that will be a victory by IDF over the surrounding Arab (Islamic) states.
However, in view of Ezekiel 38 when Israel defeats the remaining Islamic countries and Russia, God is given the credit for the victory by supernatural intervention.
In those circumstances I would have to conclude that the rapture will occur at the time of Ezekiel 38 as it will be the time when God again calls the Jews "my people"...
and supernatural things begin to happen in rapid succession after that event.

Although to those still living on earth, the final END of Islam will seem to usher in a time of global PEACE & PROSPERITY.

JMHO

[jtvol]

I agree!!

I know the first thought when you start talking about something like this, is that “no man know the day or hour” which is 100% true but I do think we can also make a Biblical analysis of the season we are in, especially considering how late in the season it is. Not that we’re trying to pin a date on the rapture, but if the weather man told you its suppose to rain at 4:00, and it’s 3:50 and you see the dark clouds overhead then it’s not out of the realm to say looks like it’s a possibility we’ll have rain in the next 10 min.

I believe the Bible does hint at (hint at, my not be the best phrase) the fact that the rapture is wrapped up somewhere in the war of gog & magog and now that we are so close to it, those hints (that beameup laid out so well) are much clearer as to what they are hinting at.

[Sean Osborne]

After considering the as yet unfulfilled prophesy of Psalm 83 it is generally recognized that that will be a victory by IDF over the surrounding Arab (Islamic) states.
However, in view of Ezekiel 38 when Israel defeats the remaining Islamic countries and Russia, God is given the credit for the victory by supernatural intervention.
In those circumstances I would have to conclude that the rapture will occur at the time of Ezekiel 38 as it will be the time when God again calls the Jews "my people"...
and supernatural things begin to happen in rapid succession after that event.

Although to those still living on earth, the final END of Islam will seem to usher in a time of global PEACE & PROSPERITY.

JMHO

I agree also. Ezekiel 39:29 is written in the past tense, and invokes the prophetic statement-of-fact found in Romans 11:25, i.e. "the fullness of the Gentiles has come in."

[jtvol]

Trying to insert this youtube vid but can't seem to get it in there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfO4e-kbBk

[GlennO]

Just now watched John Bolton on Fox say if Israel does not act before the the fuel arrives, Iran will have accomplished
what Saddam could not.

So many speculative scenarios abound.

There are so many eyes over the Persian Gulf, I see no element of surprise opportunity. Maybe a sub launched attack?

Maybe that emboldens her enemy to attack her and then she breaks out can of Ps 83 whoopa$$

[Sean Osborne]

Just now watched John Bolton on Fox say if Israel does not act before the the fuel arrives, Iran will have accomplished what Saddam could not.

GlennO,

The fuel rods are already at the Bushehr site under IAEA safeguards. Been there since 2008.

[GlennO]

Thanx Sean

[open door]

I agree also. Ezekiel 39:29 is written in the past tense, and invokes the prophetic statement-of-fact found in Romans 11:25, i.e. "the fullness of the Gentiles has come in."

Sean's statement about this being written in past tense reminded me of what Hal Lindsey brought out in his Book, "The Late Great Planet Earth". He said that writing in the past tense was a common literary device of the Jewish writers, & when they wished to emphasize the certainty of a prophecy they would put it in the past tense, which is called the prophetic perfect tense in Hebrew. Ya'll probably already know & was alluding to that, lol, but it was new to me & maybe others out there so I wanted to point that out. Hal refers to the past tense in Is. 52:13, 14 (nothing to do with rapture,lol, just saying).

[beameup]

I don't know, but I see the fulfillment of Israel's defeat over the surrounding enemy Arab states as ushering in a great era of global peace, security and prosperity.

So, in that respect, I don't see a rapid fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39 following Psalm 83. I see a peaceful, stable Middle-East and much CHEAPER fuel prices as a result
of Israel's control in the Middle-East and the collapse of Fundamentalist Islam. That is why I speculate the rise of the SHEKEL as the global currency
as in the days of old... the days of BABYLON ("Mystery Babylon").

[tjplaw]

I don't know, but I see the fulfillment of Israel's defeat over the surrounding enemy Arab states as ushering in a great era of global peace, security and prosperity.

So, in that respect, I don't see a rapid fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39 following Psalm 83. I see a peaceful, stable Middle-East and much CHEAPER fuel prices as a result
of Israel's control in the Middle-East and the collapse of Fundamentalist Islam. That is why I speculate the rise of the SHEKEL as the global currency
as in the days of old... the days of BABYLON ("Mystery Babylon").

Respectfully I disagree.
Nothing in prophetic scripture indicates that the fulfillment of Psalm 83 will usher in global peace, security and prosperity!. Israel will regain lost territory and resources, this has to happen to support a mass influx of Jews returning home again, right now Israel doesn't have the infrastructure to support this.

At the fulfillment of Psalm 83, Israel will be prosperous for a time, arrogance by their defeat of it's enemies will create a sense of false security, like living in an unwalled village as scripture dictates. The world will hate Israel, Russia and Iran will reorganize and redevelop another strategy to destroy Israel, this time Israel won't have to fire a shot, God will do all the work.

Who knows what will occur after this war concerning oil prices and the global economy. We'll have to wait and see.

[jtvol]

Much like what tjplaw was pointing out, I believe the Psalm 83 war will set the stage for the war of Gog/Magog. Much like WWI set up WWII, I believe that Iran & Russia are devising their evil plan right now, which is to get the surrounding nations to attack Israel. When that backfires, the hook in the jaw (which is the oil & gas) will be too much for Russia to not get directly involved. Iran of course needs no prodding. I think the only thing holding them back right now, is they don’t want to risk their nuke program so they and Russia are prodding Israel’s neighbors to do their dirty work. Like I said though, that’s going to back fire in a huge way.

[tjplaw]

I'm not sure about the oil and gas theory applying it to the hook in the jaw, but we'll know soon enough.

When these events begin to unfold, I'm praying that the Church will be given the right words to explain these prophecies. God doesn't want anyone to perish including Muslims. We need to be ready to further The Gospel.

[GlennO]

tjplaw said:

I'm not sure about the oil and gas theory applying it to the hook in the jaw, but we'll know soon enough.

TJ, I too doubt the hydrocarbon angle regarding Eze 38:4

After the huge natural gas find, I asked Sean about hydrocarbon being the spoil that serves as hooks in their jaws. He countered (correctly I believe) it is a stretch to place oil and gas in the same class as cattle and goods to be carried off Eze 38:12.

[beameup]

Respectfully I disagree.
Nothing in prophetic scripture indicates that the fulfillment of Psalm 83 will usher in global peace, security and prosperity!. Israel will regain lost territory and resources, this has to happen to support a mass influx of Jews returning home again, right now Israel doesn't have the infrastructure to support this.

At the fulfillment of Psalm 83, Israel will be prosperous for a time, arrogance by their defeat of it's enemies will create a sense of false security, like living in an unwalled village as scripture dictates. The world will hate Israel, Russia and Iran will reorganize and redevelop another strategy to destroy Israel, this time Israel won't have to fire a shot, God will do all the work.

Who knows what will occur after this war concerning oil prices and the global economy. We'll have to wait and see.

My point is the the defeat of the arrogant Arabs will bring them shame and disgrace and the world will sigh a collective sigh of relief that Militant Islam has been dealt a fatal blow. I don't think the Israelis will be "arrogant" about this. I do believe that they will not leave things undone as in previous wars but will completely occupy conquered land and disband their military and confiscate all their weapons... perhaps even extract retribution. The Jews will be much better caretakers of the resources in the Middle East.

[GlennO]

jtvol

I believe the Psalm 83 war will set the stage for the war of Gog/Magog. Much like WWI set up WWII, I believe that Iran & Russia are devising their evil plan right now, which is to get the surrounding nations to attack Israel.

Excellent parallel illustration !

[brethorn56]

I guess the real question right now is what will be the catalyst that will start Psalm 83???

[GlennO]

Yes that is the question!

Probably will only be understood in hindsight.........

[jtvol]

jtvol



Excellent parallel illustration !

Thank you GlennO.

[beameup]

I guess the real question right now is what will be the catalyst that will start Psalm 83???

I believe one "catalyst" is a return to the 1967 borders. I believe that at those borders Israel is 50 to 100 miles wide at one point. I see Jerusalem being much like Berlin was following WWII in which it was joined with Western Germany by a corridor.

When Israel looks vulnerable the Arabs will attack in an attempt to "drive the Jews into the sea".

[jtvol]

I had posted this link on a separate thread, but I think it’s appropriate to post it here too: Middle East War, Psalm 83 War

It is a webcast/article on the Psalm 83 war. Check it out when you get a chance.