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			<title>Doctrine of Purgatory</title>
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			<description>Simply put, the doctrine of purgatory teaches: 
 
1) That the Righteousness of Christ, that which a believer receives at the moment of salvation and...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Simply put, the doctrine of purgatory teaches:<br />
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1) That the Righteousness of Christ, that which a believer receives at the moment of salvation and regeneration, <i><b><u>only covers sin, does not remove it</u></b></i>. <br />
2) It denies the fact that we as Christians are Robed in the Righteousness of Christ. <br />
3) It denies that we are His work not our own. <br />
4) It teaches that the dead who have committed sin since salvation have their sin covered but not removed.<br />
5) That Sanctification, the Christians life-long process of spiritual maturity and transformation into being Christlike and Holy, proves we are never truly holy when we die.<br />
5) Therefore, our souls are held in limbo until enough prayers and good works, even baptism for the dead in some cases, is accomplished<br />
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Heresy.<br />
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<b>But I want you to follow the cleverly devised argument presented below. NOTE: If I were an unbeliever I could be persuaded that he knows what he is talking about.</b> However, I know that Christ died once and for all for all sin and that we are clothed with His Righteousness, Heb. 7:27, 9:12, 10:10, Isa. 61:10, 2 Cor 5:21, Rom. 3:21-28, 5:16-18, 20 etc... <br />
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<a href="http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory" target="_blank">From Catholic Answers.</a><br />
<font color="#333366"><span style="font-family: arial"><b>&quot;Purgatory Not in Scripture&quot;<br />
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 Some Fundamentalists also charge, as though it actually proved  something, &quot;The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture.&quot; This is  true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the  fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The  words <i>Trinity</i> and <i>Incarnation</i> aren’t in Scripture  either, yet those doctrines are clearly taught in it. Likewise,  Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that  word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory. <br />
 Christ refers to the sinner who &quot;will not be forgiven, either in this  age or in the age to come&quot; (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be  freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul  tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And  what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? &quot;He will suffer  loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire&quot; (1 Cor  3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell,  since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is  no suffering (&quot;fire&quot;) there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone  explains this passage. <br />
 Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the  dead: &quot;In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way,  inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were  not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and  foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the  splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it  was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that  they might be freed from this sin&quot; (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not  needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means  some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This  verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the  time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the  Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine. <br />
 Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have  been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only  can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees,  but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a  prayer known as the <i>Mourner’s</i> <i>Kaddish</i> for eleven  months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be  purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of  purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place  in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always  been believed by Jews and Christians. <br />
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 <font color="#333366"><span style="font-family: arial"><b>Why Go To Purgatory?</b></span></font><br />
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 Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for &quot;nothing  unclean shall enter [heaven]&quot; (Rev. 21:27). Anyone who has not been  completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, &quot;unclean.&quot;  Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of  heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is  spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into  heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely. <br />
 Fundamentalists claim, as an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, <i>The Evangelist</i>,  put it, that &quot;Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine  justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It  also reveals that Christ has totally redeemed, or purchased back, that  which was lost. The advocates of a purgatory (and the necessity of  prayer for the dead) say, in effect, that the redemption of Christ was  incomplete. . . . It has all been done for us by Jesus Christ, there is  nothing to be added or done by man.&quot; <br />
 It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our  salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of  how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is  applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the  process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy.  Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the  final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we  enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us  the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the  cross. <br />
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 <font color="#333366"><span style="font-family: arial"><b>No Contradiction</b></span></font><br />
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 The Fundamentalist resistance to the biblical doctrine of purgatory  presumes there is a contradiction between Christ’s redeeming us on the  cross and the process by which we are sanctified. There isn’t. And a  Fundamentalist cannot say that suffering in the final stage of  sanctification conflicts with the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement  without saying that suffering in the early stages of sanctification also  presents a similar conflict. The Fundamentalist has it backward: Our  suffering in sanctification does not take away from the cross. Rather,  the cross produces our sanctification, which results in our suffering,  because &quot;[f]or the moment all discipline seems painful rather than  pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness&quot; (Heb.  12:11). <br />
  <br />
 <font color="#333366"><span style="font-family: arial"><b>Nothing Unclean</b></span></font><br />
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 Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not  just be declared to be clean, but actually be clean, before a man may  enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely  &quot;covered,&quot; if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored,  then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean. <br />
 Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that &quot;nothing unclean  shall enter heaven.&quot; From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed  soul, even if &quot;covered,&quot; remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven.  It needs to be cleansed or &quot;purged&quot; of its remaining imperfections. The  cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is  taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13,  which declares that God chose us &quot;to be saved through sanctification by  the Spirit.&quot; Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or  may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute  requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive &quot;for the  holiness without which no one will see the Lord.&quot; <br />
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Does anyone else see the error in the teaching??<br />
God Bless</div>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 22:57:22 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Does anyone out there know anything about John E. Ashbrook....I was going through some of my reference books and found a booklet" Axioms of...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Does anyone out there know anything about John E. Ashbrook....I was going through some of my reference books and found a booklet&quot; Axioms of Separation&quot; writen by Ashbrook, and published by &quot;Here I Stand&quot; Books, in Ohio....I don't remember how I got the book or where I got the book....looked on the great list of &quot;Who's Who in Bible Prophecy&quot;...he is not listed there....If you have any information....I would appreicate your imput...thanks...SA</div>

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			<title>The Incarnation</title>
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I'm planning to teach a class in my local congregation on the Incarnation... I'm in the midst of formulating an outline and a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Good afternoon,<br />
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I'm planning to teach a class in my local congregation on the Incarnation... I'm in the midst of formulating an outline and a question and answer sheet with scriptural evidence for it, purposes for it, and passages that show the humanity, the Deity, and the means of the Incarnation. I've been studying it for quite some time, it really is one of the core doctrines that fascinates me to no end because of all the complex matters that are based on it... <br />
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As a by-product of studying the subject of the Incarnation, I began to understand how it pertained to different passages of scripture... and to make a long story short, I became aware through discussions, that many people I know reject the Impeccability of Jesus. I guess I was naive... :wave As far as I'm concerned the Impeccability of Jesus is a very important subject to the Incarnation so I plan to add a section on the work sheet that explains it, and I plan to defend it in the class because I believe it.<br />
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If I were to bring this up in a class of anyone reading this... would you agree with me? Or would you persuade me towards Christ having the ability to sin? If you would argue against my position... what would you say? If you were to agree with me... What would you say?<br />
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Hope everyone is well, kind regards,<br />
Dave</div>

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			<title>My CC pastor teaches One Taken One Left = Rapture</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 04:33:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[One of the issues is that our small group bible study leaders follows our pastor's lead and uses Olivet Discourse to show that the 10 virgins and the...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>One of the issues is that our small group bible study leaders follows our pastor's lead and uses Olivet Discourse to show that the 10 virgins and the other parables are about the Church and our Christian Life and all the misinterpretations that develop from that.  <br />
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Our CC pastor is using Jon Courson's commentary as support for his position.<br />
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Timeframe for the Olivet Discourse being after the Great Trib, after the sun and moon darkened does not seem to enter in.<br />
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Anybody have a resource that would help a CC pastor to see the light? <br />
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BTW: Please pray for all the pastors of picky RF'ers who have their pastor's email address.</div>

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			<title>WHO IS MY BROTHER?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I know that another believer in Jesus Christ is my brother....how about the world of man?  is he my brother?  
 
 Jesus says in John 17:8-9.."For I...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I know that another believer in Jesus Christ is my brother....how about the world of man?  is he my brother? <br />
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 Jesus says in John 17:8-9..&quot;For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.  9)  I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.&quot;<br />
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who is my brother?<br />
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IMHO it seems to have become in todays world, that Christians are to open their arms and  accept everyone.....accepting all faiths ..less we hurt feelings...anger them....walking down the wide path....<br />
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who is my brother?</div>

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			<title>The Book of Jude</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 09:41:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Teaching on the Book of Jude from a Bible Commentary website.  Free Bible Commentary on the Letter of Jude in simple English...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Teaching on the Book of Jude from a Bible Commentary website.  <a href="http://www.easyenglish.info/bible-commentary/jude-lbw.htm" target="_blank">Free Bible Commentary on the Letter of Jude in simple English</a><br />
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			What This Letter Is About<br />
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Jude wrote the letter to warn his readers against false teachers. These teachers claimed to be Christians. But they were being a great danger to the *faith.<br />
Plan Of The Letter<br />
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Verses 1-2 Greetings<br />
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Verses 3-16 Jude writes about the danger of false teachers. Jude gives examples from the *Old Testament, and from two other ancient books. These examples show the wrong beliefs and actions of these teachers. To teach wicked ideas and actions will certainly bring God’s severe punishment on people like that.<br />
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Verses 17-23 Jude tells Christians how to grow in their knowledge and love of Jesus. Then they can help other Christians to do the same.<br />
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Verses 24-25 Jude encourages his readers with words of praise, to remind them of God’s great love and power.<br />
The Letter<br />
The author and the readers<br />
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v1 From Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James.<br />
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To all whom God has called and loves. He keeps them safe for Jesus Christ.<br />
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Verse 1 Jude and James were two of the four brothers of Jesus (Mark 6:3). Jude does not say that he was a brother of Jesus. He speaks of himself only as a servant of Jesus, who was now his Master. Jude was also humble enough to mention his well-known brother, James. James became a leader of the Christian church in Jerusalem (Galatians 1:19; 2:9). Readers will now know which Jude was writing the letter. Jude (or Judas) was a common (frequent) name.<br />
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Jude likes to put ideas in threes. (Other examples are in verses 2, 4, 5-7, 8 and 11.)<br />
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·          God has called them. God calls people to serve him in the same way as he called Israel (Isaiah 42:6). To serve him is a responsibility. It is also an honour, like an invitation to a special party. God is saying, ‘Be my guest!’<br />
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·          God loves them. God’s love protects them and also gives them inner strength every day.<br />
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·          God is keeping them for Jesus Christ. Whatever happens, God will keep them in safety until Jesus comes again (Philippians 1:6; 1 Peter 1:4).<br />
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v2 May you have more and more of God’s *mercy and inner peace and love.<br />
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Verse 2 Jude prays for three gifts for his readers:<br />
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·          ‘God’s *mercy’ They need God’s pity to forgive them and to help them every day. And they will need it especially on the day of judgement.<br />
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·          ‘God’s inner peace’ This peace of God is so much greater than we can understand (Philippians 4:7). Christians will have this inner peace because God has *forgiven them. They know that he will help them to obey him. They know that God always keeps his promises.<br />
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·          ‘God’s love’ They will come to realise how greatly God loves them (Romans 8:35). Then they will want to show love to other people (John 15:17). Christians cannot earn any of these qualities. They are God’s free gifts.<br />
The reason for the letter<br />
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v3 Dear friends, I was eager to write to you about the *salvation that we all share. But instead I must write and urge you to fight hard to defend the *faith.<br />
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This is the *faith that God gave to Christians, once and for always.<br />
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Verse 3 Jude loves his ‘dear friends’, because he and they all share in God’s love. Jude had wanted to write about the *faith that they shared. This was the *faith (trust) in Jesus that God had given to them all. Christians have the responsibility to keep this *faith without change. They must be careful that people do not take important facts away from the *faith. Neither must they add false ideas. The Greek word for ‘defend’ means that it will be a great struggle. Christians must be ready at any time to meet a sudden test of their trust in Jesus.<br />
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v4 Some wicked men have come among you in secret. They change the *grace of God, as an excuse for their wicked behaviour. They deny our only Master and *Lord, Jesus Christ. Long ago, God warned that he has given judgement against people like that.<br />
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Verse 4 The ‘wicked men’ are false teachers. They may have travelled from place to place. Nobody noticed when they came among Jude’s readers. Their wrong ideas were a danger to the *faith. These were the errors in their teaching:<br />
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·          They were taking wrong advantage of God’s *mercy. They used it as an excuse to behave in any way that they liked. They were like some Christians that Paul described (Romans 6:1). They said that God loves to forgive. So wicked behaviour makes it possible for God to show even more of his *grace.<br />
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·          They said that the human body is evil. So, it does not matter how you use it. They denied Jesus and his words by the wicked way in which they lived.<br />
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·          They denied that Jesus had a real human body. They said that he could not be hungry or need to drink. He did not feel pain.<br />
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·          They said that Jesus was not one with God.<br />
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·          They claimed to have special knowledge of the way to God. They were superior to ordinary Christians, who could not have this same knowledge.<br />
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Now, in verses 5-15, Jude gives examples of God’s punishment of people like that.<br />
*Old Testament examples of God’s judgement<br />
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v5 You know all these stories, but I need to remind you of them.<br />
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God rescued the people of Israel from Egypt. But afterwards, he destroyed those who did not trust him. v6 Some *angels did not keep their position, but left their proper place in heaven. God has kept them chained in deep darkness until the day of judgement. v7 The people of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them loved to practise sex in ways that are not natural. These people are a warning to other people. They suffered the punishment of fire that will last for ever.<br />
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Verse 5 The people of Israel were once slaves in Egypt (Exodus chapter 1). God rescued them through Moses (Exodus chapters 5-12). But they did not trust God enough to enter the land that God had promised to give them. So they died in the desert (Hebrews 3:17). Jesus called his death an ‘exodus’ (departure) (Luke 9:31) that would rescue his people from evil. Lack of trust in him, too, will lead to God’s judgement.<br />
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Verse 6 Because of their pride, some *angels refused to obey God (Revelation 12:7-9). They left heaven to marry women on earth (Genesis 6:1-2). The false teachers in their pride and desire for women were like the bad *angels. Those *angels did not ‘keep’ their proper position. So God ‘kept’ them in chains and in darkness until the day of judgement. If God judges even *angels, he will judge men and women too.<br />
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Verse 7 The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of all kinds of wicked behaviour. Genesis 19:1-11 describes how two *angels visited Lot. They visited him to warn him to escape from God’s judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah. The men of Sodom wanted to use the visitors to satisfy their wicked desires for sex. God destroyed them with fire.<br />
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v8 But in their wicked imagination, these men are now using their bodies in the same evil way. They do not respect God’s authority. They speak evil of *angels.<br />
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Verse 8 Even with such awful examples in front of them, the false teachers have no thought for their own fate. So they continue their wicked practice of sex, like the people of Sodom. They do not obey the *Lord Jesus Christ (verse 4).<br />
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They insult God’s *angels. The Greek word for ‘angel’ also means one who brings a message. So Jude may be referring to the church leaders. The false teachers consider themselves far superior.<br />
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v9 The chief *angel Michael argued with the devil about the body of Moses. But Michael would not accuse him. Instead he said, ‘May the *Lord correct you!’<br />
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Verse 9 Jude gets his information from an ancient book called ‘The Assumption of Moses’. This book is not in the *Old Testament. But Jude’s readers would know the story. When Moses died (Deuteronomy 34:5-6), God sent one of his most important *angels, Michael, to bury his body. But the devil said that the body belonged to him. This was because Moses had murdered an Egyptian (Exodus 2:12). Michael did not argue with the devil. He said that God himself would deal with him.<br />
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v10 These men, however, *mock anything that they do not understand. They behave like animals and do whatever they like. Their desires are wicked, and wicked behaviour will destroy them.<br />
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Verse 10 They think that anything that is outside their experience has no use or worth. They do not realise where their attitudes and actions are leading them. Their fate is as certain as in the case of those wicked people and bad *angels that Jude has mentioned.<br />
Three more examples from the *Old Testament<br />
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v11 How terrible for them! They have followed Cain’s example. *Greed has caused them to fall into Balaam’s error. They are *disobeying God, as Korah did. Like him, they will die.<br />
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Verse 11<br />
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·          Cain was the first person to kill someone. He killed his own brother (Genesis 4:1-15). The false teachers are ‘killing’ the belief of other people. Cain killed Abel. But God had already warned Cain about his anger. *Jews in *New Testament times therefore remembered Cain as someone who did not believe in God’s judgement. But God did punish him. People who decide not to trust and obey God are like Cain. God will punish them, too.<br />
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·          Balaam is the second example. Balak, king of Moab, asked Balaam to curse Moab’s enemies, the *Israelites (Numbers 22:7-18). At first, Balaam refused. But his *greed for the bribe (money) that Balak offered him was too strong. So he said that he would do it. But when he tried, he found that God made him bless the *Israelites instead of cursing them! (Deuteronomy 23:5). And later, Balaam tempted the *Israelites to break God’s law (Numbers 31:16). By *New Testament times, Balaam had a bad character as one who had led people away from God. Jude’s readers knew the story. So they would immediately understand what he meant.<br />
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·          Korah was proud and jealous. He refused to accept the authority of Moses and Aaron. He also encouraged a large number of other people to oppose Moses. But God himself had appointed Moses to serve him. So Korah and those who were with him all died. The ground split open and swallowed them (Numbers 16:1-35). The false teachers were refusing to obey the church leaders. So they must expect God to punish them. He has already decided on their fate.<br />
*Word-pictures of these wicked men<br />
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v12 These selfish and greedy men are like hidden rocks at your love-meals together. They care only about themselves.<br />
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They are like clouds that the wind blows. But they bring no rain.<br />
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They are like trees that produce no fruit even in autumn. This is because they have no roots. And they are dead.<br />
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v13 Their wicked *deeds are like rubbish that the wild sea throws up.<br />
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They are like stars that wander about.<br />
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God has prepared a place for men like that in deep darkness for ever.<br />
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Verse 12 Rocks are dangerous. They can sink ships. These men’s selfish behaviour was a great danger to the love-meals that the Christians shared to support each other. These men thought only of themselves. They felt no responsibility in love for other people.<br />
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Jude describes these dangerous men in *word-pictures. He takes examples from the four regions of the physical world: clouds in the air; trees on the earth; waves of the sea; stars in the sky.<br />
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·          Clouds that promise rain, but produce none, are useless (of no value). These men do nothing to help other Christians to grow in their trust of Jesus.<br />
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·          Trees that produce no fruit, even in autumn, are as good as dead. The farmer burns them (Matthew 7:19). These men are without roots, without true life in Jesus Christ. So, these men are ‘twice dead’.<br />
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·          Waves The *Jews hated the sea. It could be wild and dangerous. The wicked are like the sea that never rests. Its waves never stop rolling, carrying dirt and mud (Isaiah 57:20). In a similar manner, these men never stop their wicked actions. They are like the dirty rubbish that the waves leave on the shore after a storm.<br />
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·          Wandering stars Jude is referring to the book of Enoch. This book is not in the Bible, but was very popular in *New Testament times. Enoch identifies these wandering stars as fallen (bad) *angels. Enoch obeyed God and went straight to heaven (Genesis 4:17). The bad *angels did not obey God and they lost their home in heaven. God has prepared a prison for them in deepest darkness. The false teachers who do not obey God will suffer the same fate.<br />
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v14 Enoch was the seventh in the family line of Adam. Enoch spoke against these men in his book. He said, ‘Look! The *Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones (*angels). v15 He will judge everyone. He will punish all wicked people for all the wicked things that they have done. The *Lord will punish these wicked men for all the hard words that they have ever spoken about him.’<br />
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Verse 14 Including the first man Adam, Enoch is the seventh name in the first family line (1 Chronicles 1:1-3). The *Jews considered seven was the perfect number. Genesis 5:24 tells us that Enoch ‘walked with God’, that is, he lived a holy life, very close to God. Enoch did not die, because God took him straight to heaven. Although he lived so long ago, Enoch speaks in his book of the return of the *Lord to judge everyone. In particular, he tells of the awful fate of wicked people who do not obey God. Jude keeps repeating the word ‘wicked’ to emphasise how bad they are in God’s sight. They were not Christians at all. They did not believe that God would judge and punish them. They are making a very great mistake.<br />
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v16 These men are always complaining about something. They are never satisfied. They live for their own selfish desires. They talk about themselves to impress people. But sometimes they want to get something from someone. Then they pretend to respect that person.<br />
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Verse 16 These men complain to God about their life. They complain about the church leaders. They are like the *Israelites in the desert who were always complaining to Moses. They forgot what God had done long ago to rescue the people from being slaves in Egypt. These men forget that God in Jesus has rescued men and women from being slaves to evil. All they want to do is to satisfy their own wicked desires. They love to impress other people by the way they talk about themselves in a noisy way.<br />
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v17 But you, my dear friends, remember that the *apostles of the *Lord Jesus Christ warned you. v18 They said to you, ‘In the last days there will be people who make fun of the *faith. They follow only their own desires. v19 These men divide you. They merely follow their selfish feelings. They do not have the Spirit of God.’<br />
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Verse 17 Jude has had much to say about the wicked words and behaviour of the false teachers. Now, to end his letter, he again speaks about his readers. They are his dear friends. He loves them, because they are like him. They believe in the *Lord Jesus Christ, as he does.<br />
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Jude has already appreciated their memory of the *Old Testament stories (verse 5). Now he commands them to remember how the *apostles, too, warned them about wicked men (Acts 20:29; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 3:3). Jesus also had warned about people like that (Matthew 7:15; 24:11).<br />
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Verse 18 Memory was very important in the ancient world. Few people could read and any books were rare. So Christians must develop their memories. Jude’s readers must always keep clearly in their minds the good news of the gospel (what the *Lord Jesus Christ has taught and done for them). Only then will they be strong enough to defend their *faith against false teachers. Men who are as wicked as that only believe in their own ideas. They do not believe in what God teaches.<br />
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Verse 19 By their selfish words and actions, these evil men upset the unity of the church members. They did so by forming their own groups at the love-meals. They did so when they claimed to be superior Christians. They claimed that the Holy Spirit was guiding them. They certainly did not have the Holy Spirit in their lives. God’s Spirit intends Christians to love and to help each other and to keep together.<br />
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v20 My dear friends, go on making the base of your most holy *faith stronger and stronger. Pray in the Holy Spirit (he will help you). v21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, as you wait for his kindness to bring you to life in heaven with himself.<br />
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Verse 20 Jude ends his letter with words to encourage his readers.<br />
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He has warned them that their common Christian life is in great danger. The attacks on it are coming through what the false teachers say. And the attacks are coming by the way in which they live. But God offers Christians the resources with which to overcome attacks like that. That is God’s part.<br />
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Their part, as loyal Christians, is together to make full use of God’s resources. In this way they will build up a strong common *faith. Unity is strength. Then with God’s help they will be able together to oppose the evil ideas and *deeds of these wicked people.<br />
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Jude tells his readers what to do.<br />
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·          They are to ask the Holy Spirit to help them to pray.<br />
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Their prayers must not be selfish or impatient. The Holy Spirit will teach them to know God’s desires, both for themselves and for other people. The false teachers do not have the Holy Spirit in their lives (verse 19). Otherwise, their behaviour would be holy.<br />
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·          Verse 21 They must keep themselves in God’s love.<br />
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How do two people maintain their love for each other? They spend time together. They talk to each other. They listen to each other. They want to please each other. And the more that they do these things, the more their love for each other will grow.<br />
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We keep ourselves in God’s love in a similar way. We must spend time quietly with him. We must talk (pray) to him, even about the little things of life. We must listen to what he says to us in our hearts. We must obey what he tells us to do. We shall want to please him at all times. Because we are preparing for life with God in heaven. That life is the gift of Jesus Christ to loyal Christians on the day when he returns.<br />
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v22 Be helpful to those who may have doubts. v23 Rescue other people from the fire and save them. But there are other people, for whom you must show pity. But be careful. Hate even the clothes that their evil *deeds have made dirty.<br />
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Verses 22-23 Jude now speaks about three groups of people who need special help.<br />
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·          There are those with doubts.<br />
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The false teachers have already damaged the *faith of some weaker Christians. Now those weaker Christians are not sure about what to believe or how to live. Jude urges his readers to be especially kind to those who have doubts. They need help to understand clearly how God wants them to live. They are to be holy, as God is holy. They are to care for other people, and not be selfish. At all times they are to trust God completely, and not their own thoughts.<br />
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·          A second group needs help. These people have been too ready to listen to the false teachers.<br />
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Jude uses picture language. The people in this group are like a stick that is beginning to burn. Jude’s readers must rescue them quickly, before the fire burns them completely.<br />
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·          A third group is also in great danger. These are people who refuse to turn to God.<br />
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Christians must pity them and be kind to them. But they must act with great care. This is in case the life without God that these people lead begins to appear attractive. Jude’s readers must hate these people’s evil practices as they would hate to touch their dirty underwear (clothes that people wear next to the skin).<br />
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v24 Praise God! He rescues you through our *Lord Jesus Christ from being guilty of doing wrong. He helps you not to trip again. He makes you innocent in his sight. And he fills you with a joy that never ends.<br />
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v25 Before time began, and now, and for all the future, God deserves all his beautiful light, and honour, and power, and authority! *Amen!<br />
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Verse 24 Jude ends his letter with a great shout of joy. God through Jesus is so wonderful, so powerful. He can protect his loyal friends against their enemies. Because of what Jesus has done, God prepares Christians to come to live with him in heaven. What a wonderful future that is! What great joy it gives us, now and always!<br />
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Verse 25 We shall never be able to praise God enough. In love, God controls all. He rules over all. He supplies every need of all who trust him.
			
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</div>False Teachers do have a great impact on fellow Believers.<br />
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What do we do abandon them?  Cut ourselves totally from them?<br />
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Seems we are to Rescue them, first by being built up in our own faith and then try to help those who have fallen into false teachings and sinful lifestyles.  <br />
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Well that is what I get from this Commentary Teaching.  That is what I believe is being expounded here.<br />
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{Not trying to lead anyone up the garden path here.  So do your own research because well I could be wrong.}<br />
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From another teaching on Jude I have found at the following link which teaches the same thing:-  <a href="http://www.relevantbibleteaching.com/home/140001239/140001239/Jude.PDF" target="_blank">http://www.relevantbibleteaching.com...01239/Jude.PDF</a><br />
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Feel free people to cross examine these sermon articles and scripturally let me know what you think.<br />
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<i>{Not here to lead people astray.  Not my sermons. Mods feel free to remove if you deem it totally incorrect.}</i></div>

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			<description>Does anyone know the timing of the 2 witnesses? Does their ministry start at the mid point of the tribulation? 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Does anyone know the timing of the 2 witnesses? Does their ministry start at the mid point of the tribulation?<br />
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I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.<br />
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7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.<br />
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11 But after the three and a half days the breath[b] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.<br />
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13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.<br />
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14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.<br />
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The second woe and third woe are at the end of the tribulation.</div>

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			<title>Sirach?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[A friend told me he was reading through this Apocryphal book. I've never heard of it before, and was wondering if anyone here knew anything about it?]]></description>
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