NEED HELP in Witnessing to Catholics

[mattfivefour]

The Aporcopyal book were added by the Council of Trent in 1546 (I believe). When putting the Bible together, their were numerous test it had to go to. Of course If Jesus used it then it was valid and was put in. Now there are some verses in NT that are taken from the Apocryphal books, HOWEVER just b/c one verse was taken from it DOES NOT mean that the Apocryphal books are God breathed, just that it was correct at that one point, b/c most of the Apocryphal books informations was passed down from generations. The Bible today is the complete inerent word of Almighty God it is COMPLETE. Jesus warned of those who took or added. Some did like the RCC and just about every other "Christian" cult.

For the record, Jesus did NOT quote from the apocryphal books, despite what some RCC apologists claim. There is an excellent article on this at http://www.justforcatholics.org/a63.htm (BTW that is NOT a pro-Catholic site.) As to the rest of the NT, I have checked Apocryphal verses against the NT writers and only in two cases—both in Paul's letters—and in two possible verses in Jude could I see any real similarity between them. There is an excellent article on this at The Apocrypha and the book of Jude.

Hope this helps.

[micah719]

There is a ton of information about this on the forum already....such as this thread...look at the chart that Buzz posted..

Who did God choose to canonize The New Testament?

[AnnS]

In the past, the RCC has always maintained that in order to be saved one must join into their Church. In more recent times thay have changed their beliefs, but notice the conditions and requirements that are put on those not Catholic:

The fate of non-Catholics, as stated prior to Vatican II:
Before Vatican II, the Church consistently taught that only Roman Catholics had a chance to be saved and attain Heaven. Followers of other Christian denominations and of other religions would be automatically routed to Hell for all eternity:

Pope Innocent III (circa 1160 - 1216 CE) is considered "one of the greatest popes of the Middle Ages..." 1 At the Fourth Lateran Council (a.k.a. the General Council of Lateran, and the Great Council) he wrote:
"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved."

Pope Boniface VIII (1235-1303 CE) promulgated a Papal Bull in 1302 CE titled Unam Sanctam (One Holy). He wrote, in part:
"Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5]. There had been at the time of the deluge only one ark of Noah, prefiguring the one Church, which ark, having been finished to a single cubit, had only one pilot and guide, i.e., Noah, and we read that, outside of this ark, all that subsisted on the earth was destroyed....Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." 2

The last sentence in the original Latin reads: "Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis." 3

Pope Eugene IV, (1388-1447 CE) wrote a Papal bull in 1441 CE titled Cantate Domino. One paragraph reads:
"It [the Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart 'into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels' [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." 4

The fate of non-Catholics, as expressed at Vatican II:
The "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church - Lumen Gentium" (1964) is one of many documents to come out of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council (often referred to as "Vatican II"). The Council was held in Rome between 1962 and 1965. Lumen Gentium" contains in its Chapter 1 an essay on "The Mystery of the church." Sections 14 to 16 describe the potential for salvation of: Followers of the Catholic Church,
Members of other Christian denominations, and
Believers of non-Christian religions. 5

The language is difficult to follow for a lay person. However, an "Assessment of this Council" was written "as an AID to study by Catholic Students of the Second Vatican Council. They contain material, some written in a journalistic style, for the American reader." In the section "The Constitution of the Church" the assessment reads:

"The Catholic Church professes that it is the one, holy catholic and apostolic Church of Christ; this it does not and could not deny. But in its Constitution the Church now solemnly acknowledges that the Holy Ghost is truly active in the churches and communities separated from itself. To these other Christian Churches the Catholic Church is bound in many ways: through reverence for God's word in the Scriptures; through the fact of baptism; through other sacraments which they recognize."

5. The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church." 6

This statement would seem to include the possibility that seekers after God may attain salvation, even though they have not concluded that God exists. Presumably, the authors of this document define "God" in Roman Catholic terms as a super-human intelligence and personality with specific attributes, such as being omnipotent, omniscient, omnibeneficient, omnipresent, etc. This statement indicates that even some Agnostics and Atheists could be saved and attain heaven, if they sincerely sought this Christian God. It also seems to imply that many Buddhists -- those who follow traditions that have no concept of such a deity -- will be relegated to Hell after death.

The "Decree on Ecumenism: Unitatis Redintegratio" (1964) is one of nine decrees of Vatican II. It deals with Ecumenism, which the Catholic Church defines as the reuniting of all Christian faith groups under the authority of the pope. This includes Eastern Orthodox churches, the Anglican Communion, and Protestant denominations -- those who "came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church." Section 3 deals with "separated brethren" -- followers of Christian denominations which The document repeats the belief that the Roman Catholic church is the only true Christian church -- the only denomination which "has been endowed with all divinely revealed truth and with all means of grace." Other Christian denominations are considered deficient. But the document does recognize that salvation is possible through the Catholic church for followers of those separated faith groups. It recognizes other denominations as fellow Christians:

"The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. ...it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."

"Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ."

"The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation."

"It follows that the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church."

"Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life- that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is 'the all-embracing means of salvation,' that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God." (Footnote references deleted) 7

The "Declaration on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions: Nostra Aetate," (1965) is one of three declarations of Vatican II. 8 It states that: "[The Christian] God made the whole human race to live over the face of the earth."
"The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these [non-Christian] religions."
"God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers..."
"...the [Roman Catholic] Church is the new People of God..."
"...the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation."

[Adopted Son]

Boy did I get an earful with one going so far as to saying that I should QUIT "idolizing the Bible"...another callled me a "false prophet".

Anyhow it left me quite discouraged.

I find any professing Christian mystifying if they object to one reading the bible! I once asked a catholic priest why there were statues in the church which people knelt in front of and prayed to the saint the statue depicted. He suggested I speak to a "Catholic Bible Specialist" so I did. The first thing this expert said to me was, "If you read the bible, you must think reading Revelations that there will only be 144,000 people saved."

I told him no, the 144,000 mentioned being saved were 12,000 of each of the 12 tribes of Israel who will witness to the world at the end times. His response? "Well, then you obviously can't understand what you are reading, because that's exactly what it says." I laughed profusely, stood up, told him he had nothing he could intimidate me with, but I sure must have upset him. He turned red and started shouting at me. I turned and left, reminding all others present to read for themselves what God gave them.

[dave620]

I've been to Mike Gendron's site.....and in fact have ordered from him before and watched every one of his videos.

If you have visited the thread "Who Is the Rock?" that I posted there on that Roman Catholic Board I had received 176 replies in less than 10 hours!! Most of which were very condescending. I couldn't believe my eyes reading some of those comments which to me did not represent having a relationship with Christ at all. It's like most of them had a chip on their shoulder. Good grief....I am a CHRISTIAN...not a Buddist Monk, etc.

It also grieved me to see so many of them refer to themselves ONLY as a Catholic as if it was a special reward and someone professing that they were a "Christian" such as I was somehow missing the big picture.

It also amazed me how much they made fun of the Bible and scoffed at it's authority. One even told me I was in for a BIG SHOCK when Christ returned.

Outside of maybe a handful who were trying to be nice so as to convert me back to the one true church it was all very sad.

Several mentioned that they were saved and while I'm not God and not anyone's judge I don't see how you could claim to be saved and still hold on to false teachings like that. I have 3 family members (2 sisters, a brother and my father) who state it as well and the one, my sister, just 15 months younger than me.... is a so called "Eucharistic Minister" (distributes communion) She adimately defends that Jesus's diety is in the Eucharist....his flesh and blood. If I try to tell her otherwise from Scripture she just hangs up on me every time and says "you beleive your way and I'll beleive my way!"

It's one thing speaking to those on that board who don't know me but nonetheless what do these people, as well as my family think I am trying to do? Where is my ulterior motive??? It's GOD'S TRUTH I am trying to reveal to them in Scripture but yet I am seen as some religious fanatic from another planet!

Anyhow I encourage those trying to witness to Cathlics to view that website and MY post in particular as linked here *admin edit* It was really an eyeopener as to just how satanically brainwashed Roman Catholics really.

Many denied that they re-sacrifice Jesus over and over....they just don't get it. That is precisely what the RC Priest is trying to do. Their denials of such were unbelievable.

It is a cult in every sense.

I was losing my patience with them as evident near the last page on the thread, but I tried to hold back my on emotions for the most part and instead putting on the armour of God in trying to reach them.

But it left me feeling as if I had entered a snake pit....and that's no joke.

I was kicked off one of the Catholic forum for asking them to look at the truth. I could not believe that they actually really believe the things that they do. The more I read the more upset I became. They don't care about the bible. But they were saying non Catholics are going to hell. They blindly follow what their Church says. They do not question it. I think you would have more luck witnessing to someone who is Catholic but, doesn't attend mass. Basicly non-religious but, looking. I deciding I was wasting my time on the forum and just getting mad. It is a cult. I decided instead to pray for Catholics for their soul and to have God to lead me to Catholics that are open to listen.

[ArmyofHeaven777]

I was kicked off one of the Catholic forum for asking them to look at the truth. I could not believe that they actually really believe the things that they do. The more I read the more upset I became. They don't care about the bible. But they were saying non Catholics are going to hell. They blindly follow what their Church says. They do not question it. I think you would have more luck witnessing to someone who is Catholic but, doesn't attend mass. Basicly non-religious but, looking. I deciding I was wasting my time on the forum and just getting mad. It is a cult. I decided instead to pray for Catholics for their soul and to have God to lead me to Catholics that are open to listen.

I just wrapped up a little tiff on another MB debating Roman Catholicism over the last hour - I agree, it is NOT easy at all, and it can wear you out after a good bit.

Now even the Protestant side, even Baptists, have turned a blind eye toward the dangers of RCC in growing number - alot of them think they're good, some of them think John Paul II was one of the greatest spiritual leaders on this planet, and when I warned a Christian friend about the Vatican the other day, he responded, "If our pastor calls out the Vatican, he should get fired!".

Oh really? So the Vatican gets a free pass for molesting 1000s of young boys and infiltrating churches ala the Emergent nonsense, but pastors have NO RIGHT to merely criticize the Pope??

[jesuschangesall]

In trying to witness to Catholics on a Roman Catholic Forum I unfortunately feel as if I am swimming in a tank of "sharks"

I made this post on "Who is the Rock"
*admin edit*

Boy did I get an earful with one going so far as to saying that I should QUIT "idolizing the Bible"...another callled me a "false prophet".

Anyhow it left me quite discouraged.

Dearest sister,
as an ex-Rcc myself and having been used by The Lord to His glory to bring several "staunchy" Rcc from my family and not let me give you an humble advice.....
BEFORE WITNESSING to a RCC :

PRAY ( ask THE LORD to direct every word)
DO NOT go in discussing "their dogmas"...pope,mary,purgatory,madonnas...
PREACH THEM JESUS CHRIST.....let HIM be the CENTER of the conversation....
DO NOT DEFINE YOURSELF as EVANGELICAL,PENTECOSTAL or PROTESTANT...but a CHRISTIAN....
STAY on JESUS and WHY HE WENT TO THE CROSS for YOUR SINS and what that means..
the enemy will try to divert on the dogmas....YOU JUST PREACH JESUS and mentally CALL on THE HOLY SPIRIT to EMPOWER YOUR JESUS message...
LOVE them and DO NOT ATTACK their dogmas...STAY CLEAR from even touching the RCC....
GO BACK to JESUS when they try to divert...
Ask them if they ever BROKE at the least 1 comandament of the 10 ....stay cool,let them reason..
Explain that breaking God's Law brings judgment and death penalty BUT JESUS took it on HIMSELF on their behalf...
so back to JESUS,while mentally you PRAY and stay cool.....
JESUS will save them.....

when they get saved,sometimes slowly,sometimes fast,most of the time slowly they will see for themselves all the wrong doctrines of the RCC.....BUT your AIM is NOT to convert them to PROTESTANTISM and out of the RCC ,but to CONVERT them to JESUS.....( but please,make it simple because the poor RCC are under a TON of doctrines and pretty messed up).....
Blessings to YOU!


P.S. after the conversation,ask them if they want to pray OUR FATHER with you and if they do,at the close of the prayer YOU ask THE lord to bless the person and their family in JESUS name.

Shalom

[myinnuendo999]

Dearest sister,
as an ex-Rcc myself and having been used by The Lord to His glory to bring several "staunchy" Rcc from my family and not let me give you an humble advice.....
BEFORE WITNESSING to a RCC :

PRAY ( ask THE LORD to direct every word)
DO NOT go in discussing "their dogmas"...pope,mary,purgatory,madonnas...
PREACH THEM JESUS CHRIST.....let HIM be the CENTER of the conversation....
DO NOT DEFINE YOURSELF as EVANGELICAL,PENTECOSTAL or PROTESTANT...but a CHRISTIAN....
STAY on JESUS and WHY HE WENT TO THE CROSS for YOUR SINS and what that means..
the enemy will try to divert on the dogmas....YOU JUST PREACH JESUS and mentally CALL on THE HOLY SPIRIT to EMPOWER YOUR JESUS message...
LOVE them and DO NOT ATTACK their dogmas...STAY CLEAR from even touching the RCC....
GO BACK to JESUS when they try to divert...
Ask them if they ever BROKE at the least 1 comandament of the 10 ....stay cool,let them reason..
Explain that breaking God's Law brings judgment and death penalty BUT JESUS took it on HIMSELF on their behalf...
so back to JESUS,while mentally you PRAY and stay cool.....
JESUS will save them.....

when they get saved,sometimes slowly,sometimes fast,most of the time slowly they will see for themselves all the wrong doctrines of the RCC.....BUT your AIM is NOT to convert them to PROTESTANTISM and out of the RCC ,but to CONVERT them to JESUS.....( but please,make it simple because the poor RCC are under a TON of doctrines and pretty messed up).....
Blessings to YOU!


P.S. after the conversation,ask them if they want to pray OUR FATHER with you and if they do,at the close of the prayer YOU ask THE lord to bless the person and their family in JESUS name.

Shalom

Excellent, excellent points jesuschangesall. Reminds me of the proverb that says "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself"Proverbs 26:4... Most people think this means do not answer them at all. NOOOOO it means do not answer him "according to his folly"

what you've said is exactly how we ARE to answer them. I've been there and been caught up in circles with people debating with them according to their folly until I was so worn out. One day it dawned on me, to stick with and point to JESUS and the Gospel--probably the Holy Spirit prodding me. ---The power of God is the GOSPEL-Romans 1:16.

[mattfivefour]

PREACH THEM JESUS CHRIST.....let HIM be the CENTER of the conversation....

Right on, Roberto!

John 12:32

[jesuschangesall]

Right on, Roberto!

John 12:32

Thank you for your encouragement,but really,it should be RIGHT ON JESUS! :),
man I really do not like to sound "superspiritual" and man,isn't jesuschangesall so humble....because I am not..but JESUS,our WONDERFUL LORD,HE HAS to be THE CENTER of EVERYTHING...
I feel a lot for our sister SavedbyJesus...I know how those religious people of the RCC can hammer her and despise and try to make her feel a "loser" a "sectarian" a "protestant"and actually even worst...a "loose in the head Christian,kind of Jesusfreak....I have been saved in 1972..in Rome,in the very heart of The RCC,where everyone is RCC and are so proud they have "THE HOLY FATHER"and the SAINT PETER BASILICA"....in the old streets of Rome in every corner there is something like this:



or this:











It is tough to talk to them, I mean the RCC "faithful",
they are PROUD of their TRADITIONS and they STICK to them like glue......
You have to be Roman like me,and have lived 44 years in that Babylon to understand that THE STRONGHOLD that the RCC has on the people is exactly that a "STRONG-HOLD" that keeps the poor people under the SPELL of Satan......

My auntie Rosa,was the staunchest Madonna worshiper you can think of and she used to ridicule me for my newfound faith in Christ...It took an healing miracle that Jesus performed for her daughter after I prayed for my niece healing to bring her to Jesus and when Auntie Rose accepted Jesus,got saved and filled with The Spirit and after 38 years still in Him.....no more RCC and Popes and Madonnas....

After all we ARE HIS WITNESSES...we have not to preach denominations and preachers,just preach JESUS in THE POWER of THE HOLY GHOST and HE WILL DO THE REST ( let's face it,not everybody will get saved,but some do and it is worthwhile.)...
Me,after 38 years in the most Holy Faith of JESUS I still have to CLING to HIM continually,because even though WE ARE ETERNALLY SAVED BY HIM, to WALK in THE SPIRIT daily,moment by moment,it is WAR,with THE FLESH,THE WORLD and THE DEVIL,and man I am SOOOOOOOOOO GRATEFUL to THE FATHER for JESUS,HIS BLOOD,HIS SPIRIT,HIS WORD,HIS BODY.....thank YOU JESUS..
Ours is THE VICTORY,because THE CAPTAIN of our FAITH WON THE WAR...and HE IS COMING BACK ...let's trust SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNN,
ah ah SHALOM FAMILY,and HIS BLESSINGS on US ALL!

[makememeek]

First: since many Catholics claim Mary is equal with God and sinless,
get the Catholics to read Luke 1:47.
That chapter and verse shows that Mary confessed that she was a sinner and needed God
as a Savior like all other human beings born of the race of Adam.
Also, you can quote Luke 8:19-21.
And you can quote Luke 11:27-28 as well.

Also, Roman Catholics give the RELIGIOUS TITLE "Father" to their priests.
That is wrong; it's also a blasphemy.
The only one who can receive the RELIGIOUS TITLE, "Father", is God the Father: Matthew 23:9.

And the communion wafers do NOT turn into the body of Christ, nor the cup of Grape Juice
turn into His blood.
When Christ said, "Take eat, this is My body broken for you", He was using the PASSOVER MEAL,
which is filled with SYMBOLIC ARTICLES (Examples are: no broken bones in the roasted lamb symbolizing no broken bones in Christ on the cross; bitter herbs eaten symbolizing bitter bondage in Egypt; a lamb without blemish is killed and eaten, symbolizing two things: (1) the Passover lamb eaten symbolizes the celebration accompanying the deliverance from bondage of the Israelites leaving Egypt.
(2) And the GREATER SYMBOLISM of the Passover lamb killed and its blood shed which symbolized the THEN future death and shed blood of the Lamb of God (Jesus) for the deliverance from the bondage of sin for all Christians.

[ArmyofHeaven777]

First: since many Catholics claim Mary is equal with God and sinless,
get the Catholics to read Luke 1:47.
That chapter and verse shows that Mary confessed that she was a sinner and needed God
as a Savior like all other human beings born of the race of Adam.
Also, you can quote Luke 8:19-21.
And you can quote Luke 11:27-28 as well.

Also, Roman Catholics give the RELIGIOUS TITLE "Father" to their priests.
That is wrong; it's also a blasphemy.
The only one who can receive the RELIGIOUS TITLE, "Father", is God the Father: Matthew 23:9.

And the communion wafers do NOT turn into the body of Christ, nor the cup of Grape Juice
turn into His blood.
When Christ said, "Take eat, this is My body broken for you", He was using the PASSOVER MEAL,
which is filled with SYMBOLIC ARTICLES (Examples are: no broken bones in the roasted lamb symbolizing no broken bones in Christ on the cross; bitter herbs eaten symbolizing bitter bondage in Egypt; a lamb without blemish is killed and eaten, symbolizing two things: (1) the Passover lamb eaten symbolizes the celebration accompanying the deliverance from bondage of the Israelites leaving Egypt.
(2) And the GREATER SYMBOLISM of the Passover lamb killed and its blood shed which symbolized the THEN future death and shed blood of the Lamb of God (Jesus) for the deliverance from the bondage of sin for all Christians.

I also read somewhere that when they do their communion(their dipping of bread into wine), the priests claim they see and are having contact with Jesus in the secret chambers. Guess what Jesus himself had to say about this-

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

The truth in the bible is amazing, isn't it?

Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[Psalm73]

Ugh, I can feel fro you. One of my friend's is Catholic, and come to think of it, I'm not sure she's saved: she might be, but she doesn't really act like it. I tried pointing out the apostacy in the Catholic Church, and she just went running off, wouldn't talk to me for a couple of days, called me mean and a bigot, didn't attack my arguments, just me, oh, and she's a liberial. I'm not sure even how we became friends. O.o I've also tried those Catholic forums, but I had to leave because the apostacy was messing with my faith.

I'll admit I didn't say what I said in as a loving manner as I could have, but she way overreacted.

Sorry I got off topic there- I doubt you all want to hear about teenage drama! So anyway, I can relate, and so far, I haven't figured out a way to witness to them. =(

[ArmyofHeaven777]

Ugh, I can feel fro you. One of my friend's is Catholic, and come to think of it, I'm not sure she's saved: she might be, but she doesn't really act like it. I tried pointing out the apostacy in the Catholic Church, and she just went running off, wouldn't talk to me for a couple of days, called me mean and a bigot, didn't attack my arguments, just me, oh, and she's a liberial. I'm not sure even how we became friends. O.o I've also tried those Catholic forums, but I had to leave because the apostacy was messing with my faith.

I'll admit I didn't say what I said in as a loving manner as I could have, but she way overreacted.

Sorry I got off topic there- I doubt you all want to hear about teenage drama! So anyway, I can relate, and so far, I haven't figured out a way to witness to them. =(

The MSM hasn't been any better either - it's not just the "liberal" networks like CBS and MSNBC, but "conservative" FOX News has done their part in defending the Popacy, even calling out the other networks as having a "liberal bias" for supposingly reporting negative stories on Pope John Paul II/Vatican(ie-Sean Hannity is a Roman Catholic).

This "conservative" news network should know better-Pope John Paul II and the RCC are FAR from being "conservative".