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    Why is the kingdom of Jesus (which states "For Yours is the kingdom, The Power, And the glory forever" ) eliminated from the Catholic version of the Lord's Prayer.

    I find it odd that any so called Christian religion would mess with the Lord's prayer and not leave it intact like it is? That's because the RCC obviously sees this as THEIR kingdom. These are the kind of things that should really alarm anyone still held in bondage by this religion to pause.

    Wondered if anyone else noticed this?

    My brother-in-law told me this morning that when they were at his wife's friend's dads funeral, it was performed by a priest at the gravesite. And when they started to recite the Lord's prayer... he (my brother-in-law) was the only one who finished the prayer out loud himself by saying "For Yours is the kingdom, The Power, And the glory forever Amen"

    They are walking on some very shakey ground right now....

    What blasphemy!

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    They used Luke 11:2-11:4 instead of Matthew 6:9–13?

    I read "Roman Catholics usually do not add to the Our Father the doxology, "For Thine is the kingdom, power, and glory, forever and ever", which is not found in the earliest manuscripts of the Gospel of Matthew"
    "Most scholars do not consider it part of the original text of Matthew, and modern translations do not include it, mentioning it only in footnotes. Latin Rite Roman Catholics, as well as some Lutherans, do not use it when reciting the Lord's Prayer, but it has been included as an independent item, not as part of the Lord's Prayer, in the 1970 revision of the Mass." (wiki)

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    Of course, scholars know the Word of God better than anybody, God included, and the RCC even has a license to issue their own with the same or greater authority...

    Please observe that the Luke version does not have "AMEN". The Matthew version ends with "AMEN", so thats why it can be considered to be the complete version. And no, this isn't a case of a "contradiction" in Scripture or a "mistake", it is merely a different viewpoint of the same event and meant for a different teaching on a different subject. The Lord Jesus Christ did explain why He uses parables.....

    Matt 13:9-15
    9 He who has ears [to hear], let him be listening and let him consider and perceive and comprehend by hearing.
    10 Then the disciples came to Him and said, Why do You speak to them in parables?
    11 And He replied to them, To you it has been given to know the secrets and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
    12 For whoever has [spiritual knowledge], to him will more be given and he will be furnished richly so that he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
    13 This is the reason that I speak to them in parables: because having the power of seeing, they do not see; and having the power of hearing, they do not hear, nor do they grasp and understand.
    14 In them indeed is the process of fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah, which says: You shall indeed hear and hear but never grasp and understand; and you shall indeed look and look but never see and perceive.
    15 For this nation's heart has grown gross (fat and dull), and their ears heavy and difficult of hearing, and their eyes they have tightly closed, lest they see and perceive with their eyes, and hear and comprehend the sense with their ears, and grasp and understand with their heart, and turn and I should heal them.

    Isaiah 6:1-13
    1 IN THE year that King Uzziah died, [in a vision] I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and the skirts of His train filled the [most holy part of the] temple.
    2 Above Him stood the seraphim; each had six wings: with two [each] covered his [own] face, and with two [each] covered his feet, and with two [each] flew.
    3 And one cried to another and said, Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of His glory!4 And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
    5 Then said I, Woe is me! For I am undone and ruined, because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts!
    6 Then flew one of the seraphim [heavenly beings] to me, having a live coal in his hand which he had taken with tongs from off the altar;
    7 And with it he touched my mouth and said, Behold, this has touched your lips; your iniquity and guilt are taken away, and your sin is completely atoned for and forgiven.
    8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send? And who will go for Us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
    9 And He said, Go and tell this people, Hear and hear continually, but understand not; and see and see continually, but do not apprehend with your mind.
    10 Make the heart of this people fat; and make their ears heavy and shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their hearts and turn again and be healed.
    11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And He answered, Until cities lie waste without inhabitant and houses without man, and the land is utterly desolate,
    12 And the Lord removes [His] people far away, and the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land.
    13 And though a tenth [of the people] remain in the land, it will be for their destruction [eaten up and burned] like a terebinth tree or like an oak whose stump and substance remain when they are felled or have cast their leaves. The holy seed [the elect remnant] is the stump and substance [of Israel].
    Sorry for another long post, don't sweat it, the word of the Lord is good for you ;). Interesting to consider how long folks are permitted to blind themselves too...I think Ezekiel and Jeremiah also spoke of the same subject.

    The Lord's Prayer is actually a blueprint for the correct elements in prayer and not something to be rattled off like a magic incantation, or repeated over and over like a religious parrot. Also notice that it doesn't include mentions of anybody other than the Father in heaven, no saints or mediatrixes. No beads involved either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saved by Jesus View Post
    Why is the kingdom of Jesus (which states "For Yours is the kingdom, The Power, And the glory forever" ) eliminated from the Catholic version of the Lord's Prayer.

    I find it odd that any so called Christian religion would mess with the Lord's prayer and not leave it intact like it is? That's because the RCC obviously sees this as THEIR kingdom. These are the kind of things that should really alarm anyone still held in bondage by this religion to pause.

    Wondered if anyone else noticed this?

    My brother-in-law told me this morning that when they were at his wife's friend's dads funeral, it was performed by a priest at the gravesite. And when they started to recite the Lord's prayer... he (my brother-in-law) was the only one who finished the prayer out loud himself by saying "For Yours is the kingdom, The Power, And the glory forever Amen"

    They are walking on some very shakey ground right now....

    What blasphemy!
    That is not entirely true, I used to be Catholic and at the Church I attended they did end that prayer by saying it.

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    Wow must vary allot between which RCC then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boash View Post
    That is not entirely true, I used to be Catholic and at the Church I attended they did end that prayer by saying it.
    True in most catholic mass. They insert some language spoken by only the priest, then at the conclusion the balance of the creed is spoken by the congregation.

    I, being both stubborn and Lutheran in training, always finish the prayer as given by Jesus and let them finish by themselves.
    "The fat lady is standing still. She's taken in a very deep breath. She's leaning forward just about to mouth the initial word..."

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    Default Re: For Yours is the kingdom, The Power and the Glory forever eliminated from RC version of Lords Pr

    The Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:9-14 Jesus is teaching his disciples to pray
    KJV has the whole prayer ending in Amen.
    Show me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. Psalm 25:4

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