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    Hi All.

    Just a few little quotes from the pope, I am sure that other may well find these quotes very interesting to say the least. It just goes to show just how much in error the RCC is & so proves that it is not of the true word of God & so teaches error & so false beliefs.

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    Messiah Benedict XVI teaches the same denial of Jesus Christ in a number of his books: Benedict XVI, God and the World, 2000, p. 209: “It is of course possible to read the Old Testament so that it is not directed toward Christ; it does not point quite unequivocally to Christ. And if Jews cannot see the promises as being fulfilled in him, this is not just ill will on their part, but genuinely because of the obscurity of the texts… There are perfectly good reasons, then, for denying that the Old Testament refers to Christ and for saying, No, that is not what he said. And there are also good reasons for referring it to him – that is what the dispute between Jews and Christians is about.

    Benedict XVI says that there are perfectly good reasons for not believing that the Old Testament refers to Christ as the prophesied Messiah. He says that the Old Testament doesn’t point unequivocally to Our Lord as the Messiah. This is another total denial of the Christian Faith.

    What makes this apostasy all the more outrageous is the fact that the New Testament is filled with passages which declare that Our Lord is the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. To quote just one passage of many, in John 5 Our Lord specifically tells the Jews that what is written in the Old Testament concerning Him will convict them.

    John 5:39, 45-47 – “Search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and the same are they that give testimony of me… the one who will accuse you is Moses, in whom you have placed your hope. For if you had believed Moses, you would have believed me, because he wrote about me.” But, according to Benedict XVI, all of these Biblical declarations that Our Lord is the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, including Our Lord’s own words, may be false. According to Benedict XVI, the Jewish reading that Our Lord is not the Messiah, not the Son of God, and not foretold in the Old Testament, is possible and valid. This is totally heretical, apostate and antichrist.

    Benedict XVI also denies Jesus Christ in his book Milestones:
    Benedict XVI, Milestones, 1998, pages 53-54: “I have ever more come to the realization that Judaism… and the Christian faith described in the New Testament are two ways of appropriating Israel’s Scriptures, two ways that, in the end, are both determined by the position one assumes with regard to the figure of Jesus of Nazareth. The Scripture we today call Old Testament is in itself open to both ways…

    Benedict XVI again declares that Scripture is open to holding the Jewish view of Jesus, that Jesus is not the Son of God. This is precisely why Benedict XVI repeatedly teaches the heresy that Jews
    don’t need to believe in Christ for salvation.

    Benedict XVI, Zenit News story, Sept. 5, 2000: “[W]e are in agreement that a Jew, and this is true for believers of other religions, does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved…

    Benedict XVI, God and the World, 2000, pages 150-151: “…their [the Jews] No to Christ brings the Israelites into conflict with the subsequent acts of God, but at the same time we know that they are assured of the faithfulness of God. They are not excluded from
    salvation…”

    This is a total rejection of Catholic dogma.

    Benedict XVI encourages the invalid head of the Anglican Church in his “ministry” and says the Anglican Sect is grounded in

    Apostolic Tradition

    Benedict XVI, Address to Anglican “Archbishop of Canterbury,” Nov. 23, 2006: “It is our fervent hope that the Anglican Communion will remain grounded in the Gospels and the Apostolic Tradition which form our common patrimony… The world needs our witness… May the Lord continue to bless you and your family, and may he strengthen you in your ministry to the Anglican Communion!”

    The Anglican Sect is grounded, not in Apostolic Tradition, but in the “tradition” of Henry VIII’s adultery and schismatic break from the Catholic Church. Benedict XVI encourages the schismatic and heretical head of the Anglican Sect in his “ministry,” and mocks all the saints and martyrs who suffered and died as martyrs because they wouldn’t become Anglicans.

    Some More Post-Election Heresies from the Apostate Benedict XVI

    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.c..._heresies.html

    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/
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    Benedict XVI also denies Jesus Christ in his book Milestones:
    Benedict XVI, Milestones, 1998, pages 53-54: “I have ever more come to the realization that Judaism… and the Christian faith described in the New Testament are two ways of appropriating Israel’s Scriptures, two ways that, in the end, are both determined by the position one assumes with regard to the figure of Jesus of Nazareth. The Scripture we today call Old Testament is in itself open to both ways…
    Exactly! It all comes down to acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ. The pope himself gave the issue right here ... but clearly missed what he himself had just said.
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    Thank you for this good and enlightening post. Always trust in scripture alone. Jesus alone.
    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    Then he asked: "sirs, what must I do to be saved"?. They told him: "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved, and thy household".

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    Benedict XVI is so busy trying to appease the Muslims that he is denying the Deity of Christ. Believe in the Deity of Christ is a requirement for salvation. Another reason why the Catholic Church is a cult.
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    The RCC is lost as a group. This article is pure blsphemy, but what do you expect from a cult. They have to twist the scriptures to make up some silly story like this. The scriptures are true and complete. The are not obscure as the pope said they were. They want you to think they are obscure because the RCC wants people to think they are the only ones who know what the scripture truly say. Don't read the scriptures, just listen to mama church.

    Nothing the RCC does anymore these days surprises me.

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    Call me crazy, but if not for Jesus, then I think a lot of the old testament still needs explanation.

    For instance, if I recall correctly, Moses was punished (not allowed to enter the promised land during his lifetime) for hitting a rock to bring forth water. He had hit a different rock at an earlier time and received water, but this time God wanted him to simply speak to it.

    Taken like that, we are left confused as to why God punished Moses so severly for what seems like a slight mess up. However, if hitting the rock the second time was breaking the model that God intended to represent Christ (who would have been "struck" only once), then we understand why God was so serious about the matter.

    So yes, some may say the old testament doesn't point to the new testament, but isn't it odd to discount such harmony between the two?

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    Obscurity of the text???!! Obscurity of the text???!!! How much more specific to Christ does he want it exactly???? At least one hundred prophecies (if not more) were fulfilled by Christ and Christ ALONE!!!! The probability of Him fulfilling just ONE of them, considering most were written 700-1000 years BEFORE HIS BIRTH, is astounding!!! The deception in this world is REALLY starting to get to me, can you tell???!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bghtnpd4 View Post
    Obscurity of the text???!! Obscurity of the text???!!! How much more specific to Christ does he want it exactly???? At least one hundred prophecies (if not more) were fulfilled by Christ and Christ ALONE!!!! The probability of Him fulfilling just ONE of them, considering most were written 700-1000 years BEFORE HIS BIRTH, is astounding!!! The deception in this world is REALLY starting to get to me, can you tell???!!!
    Haha, yeah. One can't help but get irritated when no matter what evidence you hand someone, they push it aside. I think the "Obscurity of texts" is just people wishing the Old Testament said something like "And then the Son of God, Yeshua Messiah, will be put to death using crusifixion in the year..".

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    Hi All.

    You are so right, there are over 300 prophesies about the coming of the Messiah & who is in the old testament & yet still you get nice chaps like this making the kinds of comments they do. But when these supposed nice chaps are also meant to be the leaders of certain supposed Christian groups. Well it makes a total mockery of those groups & so the christian faith in general.

    It baffles me on how or even why people like this went into the church in the first place. It used to be that the reason most went into this was because of there faith & they saw it as a vocation. But now I get the impression it is purely a job & a job where they feel they can make a lot of money in & get to very high positions. There is no faith at all with these people, its pure & simple a job & nothing more.

    Take the Arch Druid in London, he got to his position through being the most educated man in the Anglican church, he spent all his time in Cambridge & Oxford learning & studying old texts. He never once held any position as a pastor or vicar at any church any where in the whole country. His rise to fame & his position was through education at the most renowned universities in the country & that is all. The man is more suited to a belief in the new age movement than the Anglican church.

    But as for the poop, well what do you expect from a ex Nazi. But this man changes his mind about what he is doing or saying or teaching quicker than the wind has chance to change direction. First he condemns islam, then changes his mind, then he condemns evolution then again he changes his mind, now he says what he does about the Lord. What fun we have in the leaders of the so called christian church, I suppose we should think ourselves fortunate that we belong to the bride & not any denomination eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voiceoftruth View Post

    It baffles me on how or even why people like this went into the church in the first place. It used to be that the reason most went into this was because of there faith & they saw it as a vocation. But now I get the impression it is purely a job & a job where they feel they can make a lot of money in & get to very high positions. There is no faith at all with these people, its pure & simple a job & nothing more.
    Well put, VoT. That paragraph, while stating something I already felt, brought those feelings into words. Putting it as "just a job", more or less.. its the perfect way to word it.

    And its sad.

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    This really doesn't surprise me.

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    Hi All.

    adynsynclair I think we can all see this, by we I mean the members of the bride. Robert you are so right, we should not be surprised at all. We all know if we do our studies that is, that we are in the age of laodicea, that is obvious to us all. So these people who take jobs within the clergy, there fruits show them just for what they are. As we all know Mat 7:16 is quite clear, its just one of many many signs that show us where we are in the big scheme of things, to put it rather flippantly. I believe that the way things are now, we should all be looking up in pure anticipation. As any time soon we are going to hear a wonderful sound, then homeward bound are we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty View Post
    Benedict XVI is so busy trying to appease the Muslims that he is denying the Deity of Christ. Believe in the Deity of Christ is a requirement for salvation. Another reason why the Catholic Church is a cult.
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    Betty, I think that you just hit the nail on its head. Good post.

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