Looking for one good conservative

[Adopted Son]

But I cannot find one that's also a leader. Guliani is a leader, but is a progressive in the area of abortion, 2nd ammendment, gay agenda, etc. Thompson leaves me cold, wondering if he's up to the task physically, emotionally, and philisophically. Any body happy with a conservative out there?

[Ruth]

Yes - the only one I see as a reasonable choice is Mike Huckabee.

He is almost to good to be true. I fear however that he will never pass the test for the good ole boys club to allow us to vote for him.

Maybe we can start a 'Christian' party just for him. I hope if he doesn't win the rep nomination that he runs as an independent.

[icebear]

Yes - the only one I see as a reasonable choice is Mike Huckabee.

He is almost to good to be true. I fear however that he will never pass the test for the good ole boys club to allow us to vote for him.

Maybe we can start a 'Christian' party just for him. I hope if he doesn't win the rep nomination that he runs as an independent.

[BrckBrln]

If you want a leader then go for Romney. That's who I am for.

[Ruth]

If you want a leader then go for Romney. That's who I am for.

Romney is a mormon. I am not sure I can trust my future to a man who thinks that Jesus' brother is Satan and who thinks he is going to die and have a planet of his own to populate one day.

If the man has so little regard for the truth about our salvation - I am not sure he is going to have much discernment about Israel and the future of this country.

[BrckBrln]

Romney is a mormon. I am not sure I can trust my future to a man who thinks that Jesus' brother is Satan and who thinks he is going to die and have a planet of his own to populate one day.

If the man has so little regard for the truth about our salvation - I am not sure he is going to have much discernment about Israel and the future of this country.

Those are all assumptions. You don't know for sure he believes Satan is Jesus' brother. I personally am not voting for a pastor, I am voting for a leader and Romney is the best proven leader out there.

His views on Israel are strong unlike Ron Paul.

[Ruth]

Those are all assumptions. You don't know for sure he believes Satan is Jesus' brother. I personally am not voting for a pastor, I am voting for a leader and Romney is the best proven leader out there.

His views on Israel are strong unlike Ron Paul.

Isn't Romney a practicing Mormon?

[BrckBrln]

I would guess so but you and I don't know him personally so we don't know his full beliefs. And that's not even the point. It's not like if he becomes president he's going to force everybody to change to mormonism.

Romney is the best leader of the pack and he's a good conservative. In my opinion, he's what you are looking for if you can get around his personal beliefs.

[Ruth]

I would guess so but you and I don't know him personally so we don't know his full beliefs. And that's not even the point. It's not like if he becomes president he's going to force everybody to change to mormonism.

Romney is the best leader of the pack and he's a good conservative. In my opinion, he's what you are looking for if you can get around his personal beliefs.

I don't want to derail this thread so I started another one about what does mormonism teach: http://www.raptureforums.com/forum/s...7972#post47972

I think that we can tell a LOT about a man by his beliefs. He has stated in interviews that he is a practicing Mormon and strong in his faith.

If he were running for city council or mayor I would say - no problem.
But leader of the free world? I seriously cannot be faithful to Jesus and vote for a man who believes in such serious blasphemy.

[Ruth]

Ruth - Huckabee is too good to be tru . he is a memeber on the Council of Foregin relations - sont be fooled by his being a pastor.....
A true conservative taht is what conservatism was in during teh Regean years is Ron Paul - he wished to overturn Roe v Wade, strictly intereprets teh Constitution, believes in a small fed govt and states shoudl make decisions! He is a true Republica and a true Conservative and he is born again but doesnt use it to pander or win points politically. He lives it out.

Ron Paul hates Isreal. That is all I need to know.

I have not heard that Huckabee is a member of the CFR. Where is your proof of that?

[BrckBrln]

Who cares if anybody is a member of CFR? It's just an organization. It's not some super secret world domination organization either. Their website is great. And Ron Paul is the worst candidate of Reps or Dems. Huckabee is a good man but I don't think he would be the best President.

[Ruth]

ron Pausl views on israel are stronger than what we have now- he would not pressure her to give up her land nor would he pressure her NOT to defend herself against her enemies.....that IS blessing Israel. Trade is belesing Israel.... And last time I checked we were citizens of the US FIRST, it is unhealthy to not take care of our needs first before we go getting involved in other countries wars! We do not need to send teh massive amounst of money we send her - last i looked she wasnt a 3rd world country and had hundreds of Nukes! We dont need to send our people to fight her wars for her - our first obligation is to take care of the USA or we certainly wont be able to help anyone. Soon with a strong leader like ron Paul we WILL NO LONGER have a US..... if we do not stop these CFR loving traitors from forming the NAU - Bush wants integration by 2010....

The only candidate that gets that - like his stance on isreal or not...... is Ron Paul. It is a truly a SAD commnetary when we only have once choice for President that would Not dissolve and disprespect our Constitution or our country. Sad time indeed. May God bless our Nation as we head into the darkest of our days. And I pray that peopel will wake up and see what is really at stake. We can argue about israel, healthcare taxes - until we are blue in teh face - but if we dont have a freedom loving leader and lose our country we wont be bale to debate and solve these things. Those issues will seem like teh good old days.

First - you didn't provide your proof of about Mike supposedly being in the CFR. If you are going to make statements like that about someone - please provide proof.

Second, Ron Paul has stated that we should stop all aid to Israel and in that we are their last friend on the planet - they wouldn't last a month without our support.

I trust God in whom ever is elected. He states that He puts all people into the position of power.

1 Peter 2
13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right

Gen 12
The Call of Abram
1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."

[Ruth]

In doing a little more research on RP I notice that he is heavily in league with conspiracy theorists. While I think that some conspiracy theories have accuracy - seeing him being in line with many of these people that spend more time being gossip mungers and tale twisters than taking active roles in trying to make this country a better moral and productive country - causes me great concern.

I am not going to vote for RP nor am I going to recommend him to anyone else.

But you do what you feel led to do.

[Ruth]

Conspiracy theorists? Right ,like the CFR and the NAU theorists - yeah there are conspiring alright .....sad noone reckognizes. Dont vote for him - I dont care Im just illuminating the real issue here - like the survival of the US and your civil liberties before they are gone and you are submitting to a fascist govt.

It is well known that Alex Jones and some of the others that is supporting RP because of his determination to denounce the US Gov't to the who world and therefore destroy us from within.

A country divided will never stand. But more importantly, we are commanded by our Lord to serve and honor the leaders whom He puts over us and I cannot, in all good conscience, ignore what the Lord has commanded. And, while I am sorry that my stance upsets you I am not going to join a rally to denounce our entire government with a bunch of conspiracy theorists in support of such a man as RP.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

1 Peter 2:13
[ Submission to Rulers and Masters ] Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority,

If Jesus had not submitted to the ruling government (which was obviously corrupt) - He would never have been crucified.

It was all a part of God's plan then, and I sincerely believe it is now.
We are to be busy about God's work - as Jesus did - and not worrying about the ways of men.

2 Timothy 2:4
No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier.

I will focus my vote on a man who is pro Israel and pro life. The only man right now who fits that bill is Huckabee. If it is God's will that Huckabee become POTUS then so be it. If not - then we will deal with that too.

No one will get in the position of POTUS without God's will.

But, I can use my own will to follow the Lord's guidance through His word of who to support and leave the rest up to Him.

[Ruth]

Well again if you did the reserach you would see that RP is supported by far more peopel than conspiracy theorists.....he is supported by many mainstream political leaders and pundits on TV in the political realm.....but the lame argument that all his support comes form theorists is built on a house of cards.....and sooooo yesterday! Also know that Hitler quoted romans as well and told pastors to tell their parishioners it was their duty to the Lord to submit to their govt! So please go ahead! According to you thats thats what God would want.....

Let me see if I am understanding your logic - you are comparing Huckabee to Hitler?

[Ruth]

no, my how things are twisted? I am telling you that submitting to a govt that seeks to destroy and has evil intentions is not Biblical....I dont care who is elected if they dont stand for the Constitution (which reckognizes our rights are inlaienable fron our Creator) but incremnatlly undermines it liek we see now.... I'd say we have problem and need to speak out via our govt to change things. Were we wrong as a nation to stand up against communism and then fascism that was rising around world wide in WW2?
What if we all said then well there is a new order rising and it looks like it could take over the whole world - which was Hitlers goal.....and we know the Bible says that one day this is going to happen so lets not try to stop it.....lets just wait to be raptured. Hopefully you are catching my drift by now.....We still have a govt but right now it is not listening to its people...we need to elect peopel that have a respect for the rule of law....and who esteem teh Constitution. No? complacency for me is not biblical.....I odnt wish to elect someone who is more of teh same and full of rhtoric insteacd of a solid track record......and thats really what we have had for a long time - teh parties now are essentially the same so I vote for teh best person based on record and beliefs not the party. and

So what proof do you have that Huckabee will not stand firm by the constitution? That is why I thought maybe that is what you were saying about him because that is who I was saying I wanted to vote for.
Sorry I didn't follow your line of thinking - it was a bit confusing for me

So why shouldn't I vote for Huckabee? Do you have some proof that he is part of the consipiracy? Except that he is a pastor and pastor's helped Hitler (still not really sure how I am supposed to follow that line of thinking - am I getting closer?).

[Ruth]

Look now I hope you arent being purposefully obtuse. Did i ever say Huckabee being a pastor equates to Hitler...NO NO NO
I say look at teh candidates and theri records - are they defenders of the constitution that should mean they are pro- civil liberties - not the Patriot act - huckabee supports this vile act that is unconstitutional and is what will enable a fascist govt. to rise up. Just b/c someone claims to be a pastor doesnt mean they are anti-christian or anti- us....I guess if I were to choose from the other gop' candidates i would pick huckabee....he i steh lesser of teh evils, but now I feel i have a the choice to vote for more than teh lesser of teh 2 evils - i finally have a great candiddate.

No, I am being sincere. There is no point in being 'obtuse.'

I guess I couldn't figure out how your response that included Hitler had anything to do with my stating that I was going to vote for Huckabee. Thank you for clearing that up.

Glad to see that Huckabee is at least on your list of possibles.

Seriously - I doubt that either one of us will have a choice of either of them when it all comes down to the election - if there even is a 2008 election - which I have doubted will occur for a very long time.

[Adopted Son]

You make assertions that I have never heard before. (1) The Patriot Act might be used to prevent the 2008 elections? (2) We might have a dictatorship here? (3) Government agents are right now coersing church pastors to urge their congregants to turn in their guns? Sounds like you travel in circles of intellectuals under the age of 35 from those pronouncements.

[Adopted Son]

The comment comes from these facts:

1. Intellectuals are people who love to converse and debate to see who has the most facts, intricate theories, and sound the absolute smartest.

2. The younger the conflagrant, the more liberal and predisposed to fantasy.

[Adopted Son]

What a sickening slate of candidates. Perhaps Brownback or Huckabee is a true conservative, but who knows them?