Looking for one good conservative

[Ruth]

What a sickening slate of candidates. Perhaps Brownback or Huckabee is a true conservative, but who knows them?

I actually like these two right now. I have ordered a copy of the Value Voters debate forum and after I have a chance to watch it from home, I will let you know what I think of them based on their answers at that forum. It was too hard to tell from the on line free version exactly who was speaking.

[IM2L844]

Mike Huckabee might be a fine human being and I am in no position to judge him personally, but, judging from his apparent track record, I'm not sure if he should be my choice for POTUS. The following is information I found repeated on many seemingly unbiased newsworthy sites. I know that everything is not always what it seems, however, and just because it's written on the internet doesn't make it true. Consequently, I'm not emotionally invested in the factualness of any of the following, but, In my estimation, It does warrant further investigation.
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As Governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee denounced an immigration bill (Arkansas Senate Bill 206) that

"would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and would have required state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally."

(Doug Thompson, "Immigration Bill un-christian..governor says"Arkansas News Bureau 1/28/05)

As Governor, Mike Huckabee offered a proposal to give state funded scholarships and state benefits to illegal aliens at the expense of Americans.
(Laura Kellams, "Huckabee Plan would give aid to illegal aliens" Arkansas Democrat Gazette 1/12/2005)

Governor Huckabee supported an immigration plan that provides citizenship to illegal aliens.
(CNN 2008 Election Center, http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008....huckabee.html)

Governor Huckabee refused to sign the "No Amnesty Pledge".

The United States Constitution is being raped by an illegal conspiracy at the Arkansas State Capitol. Your tax resources are helping to fund the Mexican Consulate in Little Rock. The state funded Mexican Consulate acts as a conduit to place illegal aliens in the employ of criminal corporations, provides illegal legal assistance, passports, non-mandated benefits on demand (not available to American citizens) and other services. Governor Huckabee has been asked to declare exactly what the functions of the Mexican Consulate are in addition to those listed and he has refused to answer.

US Constitution - Article 1, Section 10 – No State shall enter into an agreement with a foreign government.
1. Arkansas Code ANN 6-52-101 2. Arkansas Code 22-2-114c(i) 3. Arkansas Code 22-5-401(b) 4. Arkansas Code 22-2-108 all violated.

A Huckabee low level bureaucrat, Robert Trevino*.signed a contract with Mexico for one dollar to lease state property to Mexico, plus the use of one Arkansas state employee.

A Private consortium of Arkansas corporations has signed a three year contract to fund all expenses incurred by the Mexican Consulate upon the expiration of the state’s illegal lease, with an option for three more years. Why? The names in the consortium were redacted by Trevino.

Governor Huckabee and Robert Trevino traveled to Mexico City in October, 2003 to cement a deal with Mexican President Vicente Fox for the purpose of placing a Mexican Consulate in Little Rock and to expand exponentially the numbers of illegal Mexican aliens entering Arkansas.

Mexican Consulate’s street address is a deserted Baskin Robbins at 3500 So University in Little Rock.

Huckabee Donated $10,000 and then $500,000 of taxpayers’ money to the Mexican consulate in Little Rock.

A phone call to the Mexican Consulate rings into Robert Trevino’s Arkansas state office, the State Commissioner for Arkansas Rehabilitative Services.

Huckabee opposed a bill that would have denied welfare to illegal aliens.

Huckabee supported policies giving American jobs to illegals.

Huckabee favored giving amnesty to 12 million illegals

Mexican Mobile Consulates allow illegals to use birth certificates and other documents from Mexico for identification which is accepted by government. law enforcement officials, employers for jobs and voting. Governments south of U.S. border issue these documents regardless of legal/illegal status.

Arkansas State Attorney General Mike Beebe has been aware of the above Freedom of Information (FOI) documentation since August 17, 2006, and has failed to act claiming the various agencies of state government are his clients and employing attorney/client confidentiality. Arkansas government has committed crimes, who represents the citizens if not the Attorney General?

The Arkansas General Assembly was NOT made aware of these criminal arrangements orchestrated by Huckabee


Arkansas is putting through legislation asking for verified identification for voting and denying taxpayer funded benefits and services to those illegally in our country. Sounds reasonable to me and Arizona put the same thing in place with Proposition 200 which was approved November 2004. Well apparently it doesn't sound reasonable or "Christian" to the current Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee.

From Arizona Republic:

Gov. Mike Huckabee on Thursday heaped criticism upon immigration legislation in the Arkansas Legislature, describing it as

"inflammatory . . . race-baiting and demagoguery."

He also challenged the Christian values of its main sponsor.
Huckabee said the bill, seeking to forbid public assistance and voting rights to undocumented immigrants,

"inflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there's a real problem. But there's not."

The bill is modeled after Proposition 200, approved by Arizona voters in November. The Arkansas measure was filed by Republican Sens. Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith.

Huckabee, also a Republican and a Baptist minister, said Arkansans should be welcoming hard-working immigrants of all races. He singled out Holt, who often talks of his strong Christian beliefs, saying,

"I drink a different kind of Jesus juice. My faith says don't make false accusations against somebody.

"In the Bible, it's called don't bear false witness."

In response, Holt said he was hurt by the governor's questioning his faith.

"I just want to uphold the law and protect the benefits that apply to citizens," Holt said.

Which one sounds like a logical thinker? If you want to go around doing the Christian good leave the enforcing of laws to those who want to do it. I can't believe that a Governor, someone who is looked upon as a person who is wanting the law to be upheld, could stoop to a personal attack on someone who is suggesting what the majority of the public wants.

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Update (7:40PM PST)

More from Arkansas News

Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life.

Holt, R-Springdale, replied later that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.

Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally.

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Holt replied,

"I think the politically correct movement has misconstrued what compassion really means. They think compassion means that any person can disrespect our laws and that we're supposed to be tolerant and let them get away with it.

"True compassion is correcting them so in the future they can be law-abiding citizens,"

Holt said.

Amen to Jim Holt. Joe McCutchen, Chairman of Protect Arknsas NOW, a newly formed group supporting the bill had this to say.

"They broke the law,"

he said.

"My angst is not with them, though. My angst is with the state and federal government for not enforcing our laws."

People living illegally in the United State has

"overwhelmed our school and welfare system,"

McCutchen said. As for whether the bill reflects un-Christian attitudes, McCutchen said:

"Jim Holt is as good a man and as good a Christian as any man walking this Earth."

"Doggone it, the rule of law is not being upheld, and that's wrong,"

McCutchen said.

[IM2L844]

Who cares if anybody is a member of CFR? It's just an organization. It's not some super secret world domination organization either. Their website is great.

I'm a little surprised to see this statement in these forums. I would be interested to know any further thoughts you might have, if any, on the CFR, conspiracy theorists and the like.

[Ruth]

IM - there are no perfect candidates. The fact the Mike Huckabee stands for the most important issues closest to my heart - then he will get my vote.

Your collection does not convince me that he is unworthy of my vote and I know for a fact that there isn't one candidate that we cannot find something on the internet to shade people's thinking.

Aren't you another Ron Paul supporter?

[IM2L844]

IM - there are no perfect candidates. The fact the Mike Huckabee stands for the most important issues closest to my heart - then he will get my vote.

Your collection does not convince me that he is unworthy of my vote and I know for a fact that there isn't one candidate that we cannot find something on the internet to shade people's thinking.

Aren't you another Ron Paul supporter?

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything other than the importance of making every effort to go beyond what is being churned out by the propaganda machines in order to uncover the truth of what all of these candidates really stand for; not just what they pay lip service to.

If you already have all the pertinent information available and necessary for you to make your final informed decision, then please disregard any additional information that might be presented for your consideration.

I am not trying to be contentious and Ron Paul is far from anything I would consider as an ideal candidate.

As a pro-Israel Christian, I would prefer a hybrid (fiscally) non-interventionist policy that clearly disseminates intentions to physically commit our nation to the unwavering defense of the God given right of Israel to exist and the jewish people to occupy all of the God given Holy Land rather than dishonest, two faced policies from candidates who claim to be God fearing Christians, then turn around after they're elected and openly pursue an anti-Christian, "two-state solution" agenda ( as spelled out in "the roadmap to peace") that openly defies the will of God as written in the Holy Bible. In my opinion that is much more reprehensible than a forthright, open and honest policy of non-intervention (leaving it in God's hands). God makes it very clear to whom he has given his land as an eternal possession. He has given it forever to Isaac and his seed (the Jews), not to Ishmael and his seed or the Arabs. I wonder which policy is more anti-Israel in God's eyes.

What are the genuine political objectives today? Is it to find a real solution, or is it to appease some oil rich Arabs? Does anyone honestly think that any top tier politicians have not been advised on the fundemental Christian position? Does anyone really think those politicians are unaware that the bible states that God gave all of Israel to the Jewish people, including the Golan Heights, the West Bank and more? It is the well publicized CFR/UN agenda that insists on Israel withdrawing from Gaza, Judea and Samaria and half of Jerusalem, making Israel unviable as a state. Why aren't we up in arms about that? Is that more acceptable than a policy of non-intervention?

[Ruth]

So who are you leaning towards/recommending IM2L844?

[IM2L844]

I have been a registered Republican for more than twenty years, but I don't get too caught up in the "party loyalty at any cost" game plan. So far, I don't like any of them really. I would prefer a political outsider. I have a ton of research ahead of me before I make any serious commitments. All I know is: I will not vote for anyone who strikes me as part of the good ol' boy network. Everytime I think I've found someone I could back, I find a little more information that proves I was wrong.

The perfect candidate would be one without political aspirations.

[BrckBrln]

I would be interested to know any further thoughts you might have, if any, on the CFR, conspiracy theorists and the like.

I don't believe in them.

[IM2L844]

I don't believe in them.

Yeah, I gathered that much. Or, are you being intentionally condescending?

[BrckBrln]

? You asked me a question and I answered.

[IM2L844]

Well then, I can only guess that the reason you said: "Who cares if anybody is a member of CFR? It's just an organization." and "I don't believe in them." is because you've never really bothered to look into the matter.

I wouldn't care one way or the other except that Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites, because they could not discern the signs of the times, and He has commanded us to WATCH.

I think making an effort to understand the Luciferian conspiracy is an important part of understanding prophecy in the context of current world events and the current events themselves, but if you would rather not, I suppose it's your call.

I guess I should have asked why you "don't believe in them" in the first place, but I thought you would anticipate that question. I'll try not to make that same mistake again.

So, why don't you "believe in them"?

[BrckBrln]

So, why don't you "believe in them"?

Because most of them aren't real.