Ron Paul 08

[Ruth]

Nick, after reading your post, I have to ask - you really have researched every single candidate and all of them except Ron Paul is a globalist?

[IM2L844]

Ruth, I'll try to throw a more comrehensive report together, but, for now, here's some good info to start with:

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani’s policy on terrorism, after a report revealed he has strong ties to two foreign investment consortia working to own or lease U.S. toll roads, including the Trans-Texas Corridor 35, which is identified as part of the I-35 “NAFTA Superhighway.”

John McCain: Arizona Senator, neocon / liberal globalist.

Mitt Romney: Former Governor of Mass. Recently he was pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and supported the third-world invasion of the USA. Now (insincerely?) he says he opposes all 3.

Sam Brownback: Senator from Kansas, neocon globalist.

Mike Huckabee: Former Governor of Arkansas, major globalist and supporter of the third-world invasion of the USA. Extremly pro-illegal alien.

Chuck Hagel: Senator from Nebraska, liberal globalist.

The CFR publishes an Annual Report (contains individual roster as well as corporate membership list) which is free by asking them. 1-212-434-9400 or Fax 1-212-434-9800, or email: communications@cfr.org

Obama, Romney, Edwards, and Giuliani in have written articles for Foreign Affairs: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/campaign2008

CFR Task Force members do not get appointed unless they are CFR Members, inside the group. See this link: http://www.cfr.org/publication/9997#author

Senator John Edwards Addresses the Council on Foreign Relations: http://www.cfr.org/publication/13432

Joseph R. Biden "On the Threshold of the New World Order": http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/93/9/19.html

Fred Thompson's globalist pedigree, and CFR Membership.: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.js...81474977024920








Democrat CFR Member Candidates:

Barack Obama

Hillary Clinton

John Edwards

Chris Dodd

Bill Richardson

Republican CFR Member Candidates:

Mitt Romney

Rudy Giuliani

John McCain

Fred Thompson

Newt Gingrich

[Ruth]

Your statements about Mike Huckabee seem to be more opinion than fact. Do you have any proveable facts to back up your statements?

[Ruth]

By the way - I would not vote for Ron Paul if my life depended on it. Anyone who is that anti-everything is not balanced. The fact that he would just as soon turn his back on Israel and let that little country defend itself agains the entire middle east is ludicrous and very small sighted. If the entire middle east became completely muslim and the rest were silenced, and we pull all our troops home and just try to defend our borders as isolationists? Come on - I am no genious but even I can see the errors in that kind of thinking. Like I said - he is not balanced.

[Cavendish]

You got that right, Ruth - the word "balanced" REALLY doesn't apply.

Its not popular within NEOCON circles - that is hardly what the Rep party WAS about before it was hijacked. Ya know - small govt - woopsie whats that? low spending? Woopsie we spent more than teh DEMS? About the onlything Bush got right was teh taxes and we paid anyway b/c they just printed more money which means peopel arent gonna be able to afford milk ! Woopsie - those naughty NeoCONS!

You'll just go on to the next forum, but anyways....


You are trying to hijack this party and insulting the existing members. Your "neocon" rhetotric gives you away, and before you say your next cliche, just keep in mind Bush is vetong two bills in a split Congress right now.

So there is a difference, legalizing all drugs ain't gonna wash here either. Try them.

[Ruth]

rp08, you have made your thoughts clear throughout the forum. We have heard you. Several of us have stated our thoughts. But we also are concerned about following scripture. We will discuss matters to a point and then it just turns into a debate that is fruitless. That is when we just need to walk away.

2 Tim 2:
22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

[Ruth]

What excatly are you saying to me?

I am simply saying that there comes a point where a discussion turns to debate and we start to step outside of our position in Christ. I think we have all expressed how we feel and we can leave it at that. At least I am going to on this topic. Obviously you can do as you wish. But I am not sure there are many levels of your opinion that you have left to share.

This forum is pro-Israel and almost everyone here will stand by her to the very end. Any candidate that says they intend to abandon her are already removed as a potential candidate from most of the posters here. There really isn't anything to say that would overcome our loyalty to Israel.

[Ruth]

I am sorry you feel that anyone (including me) has been attacking you. We have told you our thoughts and whether you agree with them or not does not mean we are horrible or you are horrible. We simply disagree.

[Cavendish]

I think that debate is important but you arent doing that you just poke fun and ignore what I layed out above - It a shame you find my ideas to some how be threatening.

Debate IS important, but you're chasing your own tail here, our political ideas digress toward infinity over the Israel issue alone.

There's nothing to debate.

Teh word "Neocon" is what it is based on the people who have subscribed to this philosphy and its execution..

It's a derogatory term used ONLY by the far left and Ron Paul supporters.

It is not what the Republican party used to hold dear - it has morphed the party into something else other than that which the Rep party used to be about and execute. By stating this I am not insulting anyone.

You're the neo-Republican - there are at least two other polical parties you should check into - the Constitutional party and the Libertarian party, where Ron Paul came from.

Its my opinion. How does stating this "Give me away"? What does that mean?what am I meant to be "hiding"??? Please elaborate thats so intriguing to me.

Well, I never said hiding, but in addition to your use of the word "neocon" you also spoke of being a "true constitutionalist" and went on anti-war tirade. They all do things like that - and I've seen no Christian references in any of your posts, except to insult one.

Re: legalizing drugs - I am not trying to convice you - I just stated how I feel about it after doing more ext. reserach. I used to feel as you do but got more info and changed my views. By telling me it aint gonna wash here, you seem to assert that you represent teh entire membership on this forum. Is that so? I am a member and obviosuly you dont speak for me. B/c I agree with this doesnt mean that other supporters within teh Rep party have to, nor does it mean other supporters of my candidate who wants to end teh war of drugs all agree on this issue. We are losing thsi war on ddrugs and enriching drug dealers - I odnt liek that - it gives them power. Also our own country is involved in selling and running drugs - probably b/c prhibiting them = sunsatntaily more profits for sellers. Decriminlaizing it does not mean its okay to use drugs. These are simply my opionions and facts used to support teh validity of thsi view.

Yes, I've heard those arguments - legalization of drugs is NOT going to be a big campaign issue, and it will never be accepted by the Republican Party. Try the party of Clinton or LP for this.

What have I done to hijack the Rep party? Can you back up your accusation? It seesm that some here arent interested in debate but just slamming people who have a diffrent outlook....instead of debating issues. Are the only people allowed here the ones that think like mostly Neocons??? Please let me know!

Tried, but failed. Vote for him in the primaries. I don't care. I'm not trying to censor or ban you, I just wonder why you're gunning for Republicans but you never say one word about that OTHER party.

[Cavendish]

WHat doe sit mean you havent heard anything Christain in my posts...what are u insinuating.....in my posts - thats not even accurate. Smear.....more like it....

What I'm saying as all you ever talk about is Ron Paul, and this is a rapture forum.

I dont consider neocon a derog. term maybe it is - i though it wa sjust used to describe views within teh GOP..

Nooooooo...that word's a codeword for "liberal pro-Zionist Jew".

I focus on Reps. b/c I am one and have alwasy voted taht way and I really saddened to see how the party has morphed in to something that it used to be against!!!!!

The party hasn't morphed into anything - this is the party of federalism, always has been always will be. Ron Paul joined us because that's the only he could have ever been elected to the House, he's still LP.

I am not a Dem or a Liberal far far from it - i guess Im a true conservative and what taht used to mean.....paleolithic republican - but luckily we are coming back to life and will change thsi party for whether RP wins or not. Its funny all teh GOP candidates are now stealing his schtick - its great!

Pat Buchanan failed at just that - he left the party years ago, didn't work for him.

And what GOP presidential candidates do you think are now advocating going into an isolationistic shell?

Yes drug legalization is a non issue in thsi campaign for me too - but i didnt bring up the topic!!!

You made a thread on it. You ought to keep up with yourself better.

[BuzzardHut]

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