Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?

[GlennO]

One of my favorite sources!

Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny? - IBD - Investors.com

[mattfivefour]

Of course, as an Adam Smith laissez-faire economist, Mrl Sowell hates anything that fetters corporate America, so the real purpose of this article is to castigate the federal government for daring to interfere in the corporate sphere by requiring BP to pay the costs of the gulf oil spill clean-up. By forcing them to do so, he is arguing, the government is "on the slippery slope to tyranny". I guess Mr. Sowell would rather have corporate tyranny than tyranny by those whom the public elects.

[Meg]

What you're saying makes perfect sense, Adrian. The way I see it is if they didn't force BP to pay up now, the govt and by extension, taxpayers, would have ended up supporting the devastated Gulf Coast seafood industry while BP and the lawyers dragged the whole mess through court for the next several years.

[GlennO]

Well in my experience give government an inch, it will take a mile as in FDR's case cited in the article.

Big government begets BULLY government. We are a nation of laws.

The principle violated in the $20 billion extortion was common sense on the part of BP.

Politically we are becoming too much like our northern neighbor and economically too much like our neighbor to the south.

[Meg]

I guess the bottom line is, if this administration gets too far out of control, will there be a way to reign them in and set the country back straight, or will we go the way of Russia under Stalin, Germany under Hitler, or China under Mao? That, I think, is the question troubling everybody somewhere deep down...

[GlennO]

Meg said:

I guess the bottom line is, if this administration gets too far out of control, will there be a way to reign them in and set the country back straight, or will we go the way of Russia under Stalin, Germany under Hitler, or China under Mao? That, I think, is the question troubling everybody somewhere deep down...

BULLSEYE Meg.....and IMO from a constitutional perspective, we're way past out of control

[Robert]

IMO, "out of control" would be an improvement...

try a complete FREEFALL.

[Meg]

Meg said:


BULLSEYE Meg.....and IMO from a constitutional perspective, we're way past out of control

You want to enlarge on that? I mean this is serious, BO can do a lot of damage. Could America, under the right circumstances, fall to some kind of dictatorship?

[GlennO]

Meg-

Yes, we are in jeopardy IMO.

This is why principled adherence to the rule of law is so vital and what uniquely sets us apart from other examples of governance. We are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. The distinction is vital.

We have an individual in the oval office who is an ideologue with no job history other than being a community organizer. He resents the very idea of American Exceptionalism.

IMO, the man is a bought-and-paid for thug (cultivated by G.Soros POTUS defacto life-coach).
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/soros.htm


BP screwed up mightily but the MMS enabled the scenario. I felt the pain of the fishermen resulting from this disaster. Other kinds of disasters like tornadoes, earthquakes, wildfires happen. The victims of these disasters often suffer total loss with no recourse. The Exxon Valdez victims eventually were compensated. The costs came from the shareholder and higher consumer product costs. The 20 billion dollar fund for gulf business loss restitution costs will likewise come from shareholders if BP can survive. I don't have any sympathy for BP. I do have a problem with the process employed by the POTUS. If he can demand/extort a corporation unchallenged the potential for tyranny can not be ignored.

Two years into his term he is still hiding behind Bush 43. Enron...due process and justice. Exxon...due process and justice. The Louisiana Federal judge ruled today BHO's six month pause in OCS drilling was capricious and arbitrary and the experts report was appended after the fact. His desire to control the internet telegraphs his inclination toward fascism.

No man is above the law...ask Nixon.

[Meg]

Thank you, Glenn, the article you linked is filling in what I have been picking up on for some time now. Two of the strongest influences in my life have been a family member who knows a lot about financial markets and an old friend back out west who knows a lot about political philosophy (and who I wish I could have spent time with in '08 when BO was running)... OK, so quoting from and commenting on your article find:

Here's the first problem

What kind of society do we want? "Let the free market decide!" is the often-heard response.

The "free market" has decided that homosexuality is the new fad. It is insanity to let the appetites of the populace at large determine social values. This is precisely the society we have today though...

Thats my first impression; studying this article, will go from there.

As a society, the US is in serious danger of disintegrating. The American Government structure was designed to depend on Christianity for a foundation, but the American social structure was designed to depend on Capitalism, and as Jesus Christ pointed out, it is not possible to serve 2 masters. Now the cultural dynamic in this country is determined to divest itself of Christianity completely. Should they succeed, the alternative, it seems to me, is chilling.

[Meg]

Read most of the article, and there is a strong temptation to drift off into MOB territory with this discussion, after what he said about markets and all that. This topic is probably the sort of fodder for one of those fine 3 hour philosophy-and-current-events conversations among good friends which are currently a thing of my past, and a powerful lure pulling my heart back out to the Rocky Mountains... Oh well...

Anyway, I guess the question would be, knowing that things are headed in very unwise directions, isn't there anything that can be done? For example, why doesn't someone with strong conservative values, education and means run for senate or congress? There's plenty of talking heads on the sidelines, but when the primaries are on, its a circus of something like dark comedy, who actually even runs. That and more of the same. Why is that?

[GlennO]

PRAYER!

Jeremiah 29:11-13 emphasis on v.13

2 Chronicles 7:14

Lean on your friends to exercise their precious right November 9, 2010. Most of us don't often reflect on the cost paid by others to assure this vital gift.

[Meg]

Prayer is good, and we have no shortage of very motivated people praying for this country, but the question remains, why don't strongly conservative republican -- say retired military, or someone with a strong background something multinational run for office. Or to turn this from another direction, why are most of the candidates either liberals or Ron Paul types? I honestly would think, especially these days, that running for office would be on par with military service, as far as serving this country. There is an intellectual/moral vacuum in DC that is being filled all right, by the kinds of people who are digging us deeper into the very morass everyone says they're worried about.

[GlennO]

Meg-

First things first...mid term elections.

Honestly I don't see the candidate on the horizon. Our marching orders are to occupy until the Father says "Son go get your Bride!".

Meg
Re: Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?

Prayer is good, and we have no shortage of very motivated people praying for this country, but the question remains, why don't strongly conservative republican -- say retired military, or someone with a strong background something multinational run for office. Or to turn this from another direction, why are most of the candidates either liberals or Ron Paul types? I honestly would think, especially these days, that running for office would be on par with military service, as far as serving this country. There is an intellectual/moral vacuum in DC that is being filled all right, by the kinds of people who are digging us deeper into the very morass everyone says they're worried about.

If the country can take the stress, there will be much to undo and restore (if the Lord tarries) beginning the end January 2013. It will take another 9 G-Force turn to the right just to get back to where we were the end of January 2008. I don't have much confidence this vision will be realized.

Your Conservative- Military background pedigree would be a good start!

MARANANTHA!
Glenn

[GlennO]

By KARL ROVE

WSJ JUNE 24, 2010
Obama and the Woes of the Democrats
The president's low ratings mean he can't lift his party by campaigning.

Democrats are acknowledging they'll lose ground in the midterms. The only question is how much. Today, the evidence points to quite a lot.

The most important indicator is the president's job approval. In the Real Clear Politics average of the last two weeks' polls, President Obama has a 48% approval and 47% disapproval rating. This points to deep Democratic losses. The president's approval rating last November was 54% when his party was trounced in New Jersey and Virginia.

On the economy, a mid-June AP poll reported that Mr. Obama has 45% approval, 50% disapproval. That's a dangerous place for any president when jobs are issue No. 1.

The problem is worse in swing areas. Last week's National Public Radio (NPR) poll of the 60 Democratic House seats most at risk this year showed just 37% of voters in these districts agreed Mr. Obama's "economic policies helped avert an even worse crisis and are laying a foundation for our eventual economic recovery"; 57% believed they "have run up a record federal deficit while failing to end the recession or slow the record pace of job losses."

LINK to rest of article below:
Karl Rove: Obama and the Woes of the Democrats - WSJ.com