I know we're not to argue with a Pharisee but I just couldn't help myself.

I initially sent out the below email to my contacts, one of which was my sister Laura. Laura in turn forwarded it to all her contacts. Unfortunately, my sister when mailing this out, did not put everyone on the "BCC" line, and instead put everyone on the "TO" and "CC" lines.

One of her recipients, a gal named Diane, found the article offensive and decided not to just send her response to my sister, but to everyone my sister had sent the email to.

I just saw red when I took in her response. So, going against what Jesus teaches, I decided to respond to Diane and everyone else that received Diane's scathing response. Taking full advantage of not only warning everyone about Obama, but alerting them of the grass roots effort underway to have him produce his birth certificate. (I do come from a family of advertisers, knowing to take advantage of every opportunity for free advertising). I guess Diane didn't like this much.

I heard back from Diane this morning. Typical of an Obamabot, she could not combat ANY of my points. Also interestingly, she sent her feeble response back to only me, instead of responding to all.

Below is how this "debate" progressed:


----- Original Message -----
From: Laura
To: Al ; Alan ; Amy and Dean ; April ; BJ ; Carrie ; Cathy ; Dan ; Dawn ; Dawn ; Diane ; Don ; Harley
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:53 PM


To All of my Above Contacts -
My Older Sister found this and I am forwarding it to all of you in its entirety (which also includes her comments). It is very interesting not to mention the intrigue into the facts regarding this information. I must pass this information on to you all. Do with it what you want. You can read it and then delete it or you may forward it to all those you feel may be interested in reading it. Thanks for taking the time to read what my husband and I consider VITAL AND VERY SERIOUS INFORMATION. Hey anyone have an opinion as to what would happen if the information below is CORRECT and Obama's already hold's the position as President of The United States? What would happen to him retaining the Position of President? I await your response to these questions.
Thanks -
Laura

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=78931

Democrat: Obama's Grandma confirms Kenyan Birth
'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months'
Posted: October 23, 2008
11:33 pm Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualifications to run for the office of president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya. The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.

But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged, a publicized newspaper notice announcing Obama's birth in Honolulu could have been faked and he has a tape recording he will be releasing over the next few days. "This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961." Berg said he's pursuing the issue because of "the most important document in the United States," the U.S. Constitution. "Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment on the issues. WND reported earlier this week how Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in Berg's lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States.

His case is demanding that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate. Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter. Since Obama filed only motions to dismiss the case and did not actually answer the claims, stated Berg, who has taken his information public through his website, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

The birth certificate image is on Obama's website, and the newspaper notice is featured on the Atlasshrugs2000 website. That reportedly comes from a librarian in Hawaii who obtained the announcement from the archives. However, Berg said the dates don't align, since the birth apparently happened on Aug. 4, 1961, it was registered on Aug. 8 and the newspaper announcement was Aug. 13. Berg explained to Savage he believes Obama's mother was near pregnancy and unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya, the family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the newspaper announcement.

Besides Berg's lawsuit, several other court challenges also have been assembled, including one in Washington State where petitioners are seeking to have the Washington Secretary of State "verify Obama's eligibility" to serve prior to the election. That claim states, "The 'certificate' that Mr. Obama has posted on his official Website is a 'Certification of Live Birth,' and not a 'Birth Certificate' from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place." Berg also told Savage there is no information available on which hospital Obama's mother used in Hawaii.

The Washington state case also alleges, "Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen. When Jerome Corsi, senior WND investigator reporter, recently traveled to Kenya to investigate several questions about the candidate, he was told the records were sealed and would not be made available.

Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate. "Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen. "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of the Hawaii certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

The Washington claim states, "If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama's birth, his mother was only eighteen (18 ) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of 'natural born.'"

Berg said he believed it also was a complication that Obama's mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when, Berg said, only Indonesia citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam. When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found. If that was not processed properly, Berg said, Obama would be in a situation even worse than not being a natural-born citizen.

"If he didn't go through immigration, he now is illegal and has been an illegal alien. He couldn't even hold the position of senator for Illinois," Berg said. Further, Berg said he suspected Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that's why those records have been withheld by the campaign. "I really think it's because it probably indicates he's from Kenya, or Indonesia, or received foreign aid," Berg said.

"I feel very confident saying these things," Berg told Savage.
From: Diane
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:49 AM
To: Laura
Cc: Al ; Alan ; Amy and Dean; April ; BJ; Carrie; Cathy ; Dan ; Dawn ; Dawn ; Don Harley
Subject: Re:


This has been discredited so many times. You should be ashamed of spreading such malicious lies. Nobody is saying anything about Palin and her husband being a separatist. How she spoke at a rally and told the group that she agreed and supported them. I guess we really are no farther along than when Dr. King was alive. Or was he a muslim terrorist.


Get over it. Barak Obama is a Christian, African American man born right here in the good ole US of A. Please do not send me emails like this. I have asked you before. I would hate to block you from me email because there may be some good information like something great happing at the woods and I would hate to miss that because of a few small minded people.


Did I graduate with you? Were you like this then?


Diane

----- Original Message -----
From: Me
To: Diane
Cc: Harley ; Dawn ; Dawn ; Dan ; Cathy ; Carrie ; BJ ; Amy and Dean ; Alan ; Al ; Laura
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:47 AM
Subject: Re:


Diane,

I guess you forgot to include me in your scolding of Laura, but since I am the one that found the article and forwarded this, I feel I should be the one to combat your accusations. I'm sorry the rest of you have to suffer but since Diane here has decided to make this a shout-out, decrying the topic of Obama's non-American citizenship as being a lie and having been discredited yet offering no proof (links), I felt compelled to back up his questionable citizenship with not just the article initially presented, but other sources. Being a firm believer in my free speech, until Obama gets elected, I thought I would take advantage of it.

First Diane, please tell me where this has been discredited? Can you provide links that show where Obama has provided a REAL (not forged like the Hawaii one) birth certificate? Better yet, do you have any links showing where Obama's Paternal (not maternal because she was in Hawaii at the time of his birth), grandmother says she was not there at his birth?

Here are a few links regarding his birth certificate:::

Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/oba...24/143882.html
Obama Birth Certificate a Fake http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/P ... /12993.htm
Hal Lindsey on Obama;s Birth Certificate http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=78258
United States Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Now Goes to Supreme Court
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php...-supreme-court
Gadhafi: Obama a Muslim
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=78309

It now seems Obama's latest trip to Hawaii was to have his fake birth certificate sealed.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174
Now Diane, if it were legitimate, why would he have it sealed???? Seems his "ailing" grandmother was just a cover. (No wonder he didn't want any press there). First he won't produce the real birth certificate and now he has the one he was claiming as legitimate sealed????????????? Hmmmmmmm!

People, there is a grass roots effort to force Obama to produce his real birth certificate. As American citizens, don't you think we have the *right* to know he's an American citizen?? I sure do. Since this email has turned into a shout-out, I invite you all to join the effort. After all, we the people will be paying the President's salary, so shouldn't we the people be assured he's an American citizen? Here's the 4-step information:

Immediate action required:
Obama defaults on Federal Lawsuit Jeopardizes Presidential Run -
Now ineligible for Candidacy

Step one:
Read this press release:
http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elect ... rg-v-obama

Step two:
Contact media with message below. If you would like to call the media also their phone numbers can be found at the end of this email.

Copy and paste this block of email addressed and send them the sample email.


netaudr@abc.com, nightline@abcnews.com, 2020@abc.com, evening@cbsnews.com, earlyshow@cbs.com, 60minutes@cbsnews.com, 48hours@cbsnews.com, ftn@cbsnews.com, info@cnbc.com, comments@foxnews.com, Special@foxnews.com, Foxreport@foxnews.com, Oreilly@foxnews.com, Hannity@foxnews.com, Colmes@foxnews.com, Ontherecord@foxnews.com, dateline@nbc.com, hardball@msnbc.com, joe@msnbc.com, nightly@nbc.com, today@nbc.com, newshour@pbs.org, ombudsman@npr.org, ElRushbo@eibnet.com, phil.boyce@citcomm.com, letters@latimes.com, readers.rep@latimes.com, letters@nytimes.com, news-tips@nytimes.com, senioreditor@nytimes.com, editor@usatoday.com, wsj.ltrs@wsj.com, wsjcontact@dowjones.com, letters@washpost.com, ombudsman@washpost.com, letters@newsweek.com, letters@time.com, letters@usnews.com, info@ap.org, tips@upi.com


Sample email:
To Whom it may concern,

It has been brought to my attention that Obama (and the DNC) has defaulted on a federal lawsuit that reveals the true origins of his birth in Kenya making him ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States. Please investigate this press release and report your findings to the American people. You can find a copy of the press release here: http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elect ... rg-v-obama
Thank you for your attention in this matter of national significance,

[insert name]
[insert city, state where you live]

Step three:
Forward this action alert

Step four:
Change history

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Now, on Obama's Christianity,...Obama "clains" he's a Christian but, may I ask Diane, have you read your Bible lately? Because if you have, you certainly must see he does not follow the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" commandment as he not only condones abortions but swings farther by not only denying a child who survived a botched abortion the right to live, but by also promising the passage of the Freedom of Choice Act http://www.nrlc.org/FOCA/index.html that would not only allow very, very late-term abortions (right up to the 9th month) but would use your tax dollars to pay for these. Christian? Under whose definition Diane?
The fact that he is far from a Christian may be why a lot of Catholics and Catholic churches are urging their congregations not to vote for him (unless you're Nancy Pelosi).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHsUGAZ0Xyc
"U.S. Catholic Bishop Rene H. Gracida Releases Radio Ad Stating no Catholic can Vote for Barack Obama in Good Conscience" http://www.earnedmedia.org/sftj1024.htm
And lets not forget the interview with George Stephanopoulos where Obama stated his faith was a "Muslim Faith" until Stephanopoulos corrected him. You can't claim both Diane.
(see video here) http://www.rapturealert.com/2008/090808obamafaith.asp

As far as being labeled a Communist...Socialist/Communist they pretty much represent the same thing.

Diane, have you noticed on Obama's website the displaying his seal? It is quite disturbing. I googled images of Obama's seal and found the following link: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DG
I know the link is long but if you look at Obama's seal it is very disturbing. His seal appears quite violent. The eagle is standing on top of "Old Glory" with a spear piercing it and looking the other way. The blogger of the link mentioned that the spear is a representation of Africa and that Obama is attempting to make the seal African. Again, Socialist or Communist, kind of like you say tomato, I say tomatto.

LA Times Hiding Incriminating Video of Obama with Radical Palestinian
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/arti...rty_with_Obama
MSM Holds Video Of Barack Obama Attending Jew-Bash & Toasting a Former PLO Operative... Refuse to Release the Video!
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/25...al-jew-basher/
Newspaper shows Obama belonged to socialist party
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=78945
Iran prefers Obama
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Art...611840,00.html
Obama funded foreign thug who promised Islamic state
View the entire three-page document titled "Memorandum of Understanding Between Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga Representing the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) and National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF)."
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78324
Socialism in America: A Revolution in the Making
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/ma ... ialism.htm
The Rise of United Socialist States of America
http://usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

I could go on, especially with tons more links on Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Reverend Wright, Father Flahger but Diane I'm sure you can see how he's gained these titles.

Just because you don't like what the reports state does not make them untrue. Typical of Obama supporters, everything about him is off-limits. Legitimate questions from his associations to his Socialist/Communist/Redistribution-of-wealth-plans to lying about, refusing to show, and now blocking access to birth certificates, all are OFF LIMITS. Any questions of this sort are deemed racist. We're almost there but the day we're not allowed to question the identity, policies, tactics, and associations of people WE PAY to run our government is the day we've really dumbed ourselves down and then lost our freedoms.

Shame on you Diane, for calling someone a liar who is just reporting what was reported.

Shame on you for trying to discredit and label "racist" any legitimate concerns about Obama's very bizarre behavior regarding his birth certificate. This is happening all over before he's even won!! (People being slammed for reporting or asking legitimate questions). God help us and our freedoms if he does win.

Me

----- Original Message -----
From: Diane
To: Me
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: Re:


Get a life and do not email me again or I will report you to my provider...