Bible Codes & Jack Kelly confirm ELE (earth level extinction) event with a small planetoid SOON!!

[RandallB]

I was just reading Jack Kelly's article Jerusalem At The End Of The Age and it struck me that those people predicting an Earth Level Extinction event that coincides with a small planetoid coming to the earth are absolutely CORRECT!!!!! (or at least pretty correct)

The New Jerusalem will be coming into a close orbit of the earth. It will be about 2/3rds the size of the moon. This will occur after a great extinction of the earth's population, ocean, and vegetation life will have occurred (after Great Tribulation/ Seals/ Trumpets/ Bowls/ judgements).

Now how in the world did satan's minions know about this and influence those fear filled people to be on the lookout for a small planet or large asteroid coupled with the destruction of most of the earth? Must be some Torah reading going on in the nether regions.

As for Bible Codes, Jack insists that biblical truth can be found by taking each word of scripture one after another.

[LivnForChrist]

[mattfivefour]

Respectfully, Jack needs to read his Bible a bit more. Please hear this: There will be NO "Earth Level Extinction". None. Zero. Zilch. Instead, according to Scripture, the extinction will be universe-wide ... no, CREATION-wide. This is plainly shown in the Bible. 2 Peter 3:10-13 describes the nature of this extinction (earth will not be destroyed as a result of some collision with another planet or with the Heavenly Jerusalem coming to earth) and, along with Revelation 20:11, tells us of its scope. Those verses along with Isaiah 34:4; 65:17; 66:12; and Matthew 24:35 tell us quite plainly that ALL of creation and the elements (atoms, etc) of which it is all made will be instantly DISSOLVED in one massive instance of fire and replaced by a new Creation at the end of the Age. Don't look for a natural explanation: this will be one final supernatural act of Almighty God, He who spoke everything into existence and by whose breath it is held in place will remove EVERYTHING that was tainted by the fall—which, according to Romans 8:22, refers to "all creation" (Greek pasa he ktisis ... "the entire creation" ... ktisis referring to something created from nothing) and it will never be remembered ever again. And then God will, for the very first time, FINALLY say the words: "It is done." (Revelation 21:6) And it will be. Forever and ever and ever. Amen. \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

[Robert]

Did it every occur to anyone that if God had written a "code" into scripture, Satan would have figured it out already and knew in advance what God was planning?

[RandallB]

Respectfully, Jack needs to read his Bible a bit more. Please hear this: There will be NO "Earth Level Extinction". None. Zero. Zilch. Instead, according to Scripture, the extinction will be universe-wide ... no, CREATION-wide. This is plainly shown in the Bible. 2 Peter 3:10-13 describes the nature of this extinction (earth will not be destroyed as a result of some collision with another planet or with the Heavenly Jerusalem coming to earth) and, along with Revelation 20:11, tells us of its scope. Those verses along with Isaiah 34:4; 65:17; 66:12; and Matthew 24:35 tell us quite plainly that ALL of creation and the elements (atoms, etc) of which it is all made will be instantly DISSOLVED in one massive instance of fire and replaced by a new Creation at the end of the Age. Don't look for a natural explanation: this will be one final supernatural act of Almighty God, He who spoke everything into existence and by whose breath it is held in place will remove EVERYTHING that was tainted by the fall—which, according to Romans 8:22, refers to "all creation" (Greek pasa he ktisis ... "the entire creation" ... ktisis referring to something created from nothing) and it will never be remembered ever again. And then God will, for the very first time, FINALLY say the words: "It is done." (Revelation 21:6) And it will be. Forever and ever and ever. Amen. \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

Boy mattfivefour, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the End of the Millenium/New Heavens/New Earth.

But I can't Disagree with you more that this is what being talked about in the OP and in Jack's article..

Jack plainly states that:

With all our focus on the New Jerusalem, home of the Church, we sometimes forget there will still be an “old” Jerusalem here on Earth during the Millennium.

This is during the Millennium. The Extinction Event will be the Great Tribulation/ Seals/ Trumpets/ Bowls judgements whereby most of the life on earth will be taken.

[mattfivefour]

Yes, and Christ will be living and reigning there.

But what has me confused is "those people predicting an Earth Level Extinction event that coincides with a small planetoid coming to the earth are absolutely CORRECT!!!!! (or at least pretty correct). The New Jerusalem will be coming into a close orbit of the earth. It will be about 2/3rds the size of the moon." I do not see this anywhere, by which I mean New Jerusalem coming near earth in coincidence with an ELE. Not even in Jack's article, now that I have had time to read it in its entirety.

[Suzanne]

Did it every occur to anyone that if God had written a "code" into scripture, Satan would have figured it out already and knew in advance what God was planning?

If the "Bible Codes" exist or not doesn't matter much to me. Nothing beats the plain text of the Bible as far as I'm concerned.

[RandallB]

Yes, and Christ will be living and reigning there.

But what has me confused is "those people predicting an Earth Level Extinction event that coincides with a small planetoid coming to the earth are absolutely CORRECT!!!!! (or at least pretty correct). The New Jerusalem will be coming into a close orbit of the earth. It will be about 2/3rds the size of the moon." I do not see this anywhere, by which I mean New Jerusalem coming near earth in coincidence with an ELE. Not even in Jack's article, now that I have had time to read it in its entirety.

Yes, those were my thots as I was reading Jack's article. (Sorry to be so confusing.)

Earth Level Extinction Event (predicted in conspiracy oriented minds) will actually happen in real life during the Great Tribulation/ Seals/ Trumpets/ Bowls judgments of Revelation.

Small planetoid will descend into low earth orbit soon after those judgments. -- New Jerusalem in real life at beginning of the Millenium.

[mattfivefour]

Um, isn't New Jerusalem at end of the Millennial reign, following the final destruction of Satan, etc and following the dissolving of the current creation and its replacement by the new incorruptible one? (Revelation 21:1-4)

[Any Minute]

Um, isn't New Jerusalem at end of the Millennial reign, following the final destruction of Satan, etc and following the dissolving of the current creation and its replacement by the new incorruptible one? (Revelation 21:1-4)

Here is what Jack Kelley has to say about Revelation 21:1-4 and the timing.

Understanding Rev. 20-22 | GraceThruFaith

Understanding Rev. 20-22
Q. Please help me understand the following. You state that only the Church Age Saints will live in the New Jerusalem during the Millennium. And that the Church Age Saints will be able to go back and forth from the New Jerusalem and earth. What scripture supports that those Saints will be able to go back and forth? Is the New Heaven and New Earth created after the Millennium? Also, when the New Heavens and New Earth are created will the Church Age Saints still reside in the New Jerusalem or will they live on the New Earth? Does scripture give insight what they will be doing (work, play, create, govern etc.) with regard to the New Heavens and New Earth? Thank you for any clarification on the above.
A. There is much confusion surrounding the New Jerusalem and New Heavens and New Earth that arises from what I believe is a misunderstanding of the chronology in Rev. 20-22.

Here’s a quick time line as I see it. In Rev. 20 the first 6 verses deal with the time at the beginning of the Millennium just after the Lord’s return. Then verses 7-15 skip to the End on the Millennium to deal with the final disposition of Satan and the resurrection of unbelievers. In Rev. 21:1 John went back to the beginning of the Millennium to describe the New Jerusalem which he saw coming down out of heaven. To let us know he was backtracking, John opened chapter 21 with a direct quote from Isaiah 65:17 which describes Earth at the beginning of the Millennium. When the Lord returns, the Earth will be in total ruin from the terrible destruction of the Great Tribulation and will have to be restored to the condition it was in when Adam was created to make the promises of Isaiah 65 and other places come true for Israel. The first 5 verses of chapter 22 are a summary of Ezekiel 47:1-12, another view of Earth at the beginning of the Millennium, confirming that chapters 21 and 22 describe the Millennium, not eternity.

Also, the word translated new in John’s quote of Isaiah 65:17 can also mean refreshed or renewed. It refers to the time Jesus called the renewal of all things in Matt. 19:28 and Peter mentioned in Acts 3:21.This will take place at the time of the 2nd Coming.

Following the Rapture, the Church will dwell in the New Jerusalem forever. All we know about what we’ll be doing is that in some way we’ll be assisting the Lord in His millennial reign. The Bible offers no information or detail about life in eternity. As for the saints going back and forth, Jesus went back and forth, and 1 John 3:2 says we’ll be like Him.

[mattfivefour]

I'm going to look into this more. Not saying Jack is definitely wrong, but I am not content with his explanation based on my own study to this point. I will, however, go back and look at it again. He could be correct.

[RandallB]

Originally Posted by ANY MINUTE
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Following the Rapture, the Church will dwell in the New Jerusalem forever. All we know about what we’ll be doing is that in some way we’ll be assisting the Lord in His millennial reign. The Bible offers no information or detail about life in eternity. As for the saints going back and forth, Jesus went back and forth, and 1 John 3:2 says we’ll be like Him.

I agree with living in NJ during the Millenium.

Following the Rapture we will be in Heaven in the Father's house for the Bema seat & wedding ceremony & 7 day (year) Nissuin. Now NJ is up in Heaven at this point so it is very safe to assume that we will be living in NJ during this time also as the place prepared for us by our Groom.

[mattfivefour]

Unless a person wants to suggest that the earth is dissolved by fire and recreated without any oceans prior to the Millennial reign, then the New Jersusalem can NOT be present on earth during that reign. I have looked into Jack's suggestion and cannot find it in Scripture. To suggest that Revelation 21:2 comes before Revelation 21:1 (in fact 1000 years before it) has absolutely NO scriptural basis that I can find. The only way one can justify this idea is if one presupposes that the New Jerusalem HAS to be on planet earth during the Millenium. If you fold to that presupposition then changing the time of Revelation 21:2 is your only option. Yet, let us take note of a few things that Scripture says accompanies the arrival of the New Jerusalem. Revelation 21:3b-4 reads: "God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away” (Revelation 21:3b-4). Now if death disappears during the Millennium, how can there be a final war at the end of the Millennial reign if none can die? Indeed, if "death is no more" once the New Jerusalem is here then how can death still hold those who have left this life? It says those who do not make it into the first resurrection at the beginning of the Millennial reign remain in death until the second resurrection at its end. Yet apparently they would be remaining in something that no longer exists.

If I have misseed scomething in Scripture, Please point me to it. Thanks.

But failing that, after further examination and thought, I can only conclude that Jack's novel exposition of Revelation 21:2 is a result of his decision that the New Jerusalem MUST be here for the Millennial reign, not a result of the plain teaching of Scripture. In other words, he has given us a textbook example of eisegesis.

[Hannah]

I'm so tired of all the sensationalists claiming this or that. All it does is scare the living daylights out of Christians who do not have the ability to work through the scriptural evidence given for themselves against the scriptures.

I don't think it is edifying to the body of Christ.

If a minister is relying on Bible Codes to help them interpret the Bible instead of the Holy Spirit I greatly question their theories.

I do believe God can level the earth (after all he is God) but not as described by Jack Kelley & this Bible Codes mob.

[RandallB]

Unless a person wants to suggest that the earth is dissolved by fire and recreated without any oceans prior to the Millennial reign, then the New Jersusalem can NOT be present on earth during that reign. I have looked into Jack's suggestion and cannot find it in Scripture. To suggest that Revelation 21:2 comes before Revelation 21:1 (in fact 1000 years before it) has absolutely NO scriptural basis that I can find. The only way one can justify this idea is if one presupposes that the New Jerusalem HAS to be on planet earth during the Millenium. If you fold to that presupposition then changing the time of Revelation 21:2 is your only option. Yet, let us take note of a few things that Scripture says accompanies the arrival of the New Jerusalem. Revelation 21:3b-4 reads: "God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away” (Revelation 21:3b-4). Now if death disappears during the Millennium, how can there be a final war at the end of the Millennial reign if none can die? Indeed, if "death is no more" once the New Jerusalem is here then how can death still hold those who have left this life? It says those who do not make it into the first resurrection at the beginning of the Millennial reign remain in death until the second resurrection at its end. Yet apparently they would be remaining in something that no longer exists.

If I have misseed scomething in Scripture, Please point me to it. Thanks.

But failing that, after further examination and thought, I can only conclude that Jack's novel exposition of Revelation 21:2 is a result of his decision that the New Jerusalem MUST be here for the Millennial reign, not a result of the plain teaching of Scripture. In other words, he has given us a textbook example of eisegesis.

Good Points! Now I am going to have to go and look into this more....

[BuzzardHut]

Satan and the lost hold a sense that this era is about to end; similar to how animals sense a catastrophe is about to occur; unfortunately, their details are off since they are clueless with spiritual things. Kelly needs to stick with exegeting scripture and not reading into the text.

[Suzanne]

Satan and the lost hold a sense that this era is about to end; similar to how animals sense a catastrophe is about to occur; unfortunately, their details are off since they are clueless with spiritual things. Kelly needs to stick with exegeting scripture and not reading into the text.

I agree! Understanding what the text of the Bible has to say is enough.

[JC1949]

I agree! Understanding what the text of the Bible has to say is enough.

I think Jack knows the Bible pretty well....I think it would be good ask him what he really meant in the discussed article.
I say this in love

[Any Minute]

I agree mattfivefour and you bring up some interesting points.
I didn't post what I did because I agree with J. Kelley on this subject, but just to show his position on New Jerusalem.

There is so much information out there on the subject and you might be surprised out how many stray away from the plain and sound teaching of scripture.

Here are a couple of excerpts from an article by Dr. David Reagan and one from Dr. Thomas Ice who are also well known eschatologists.
They both seem to agree with your position.

Articles - Prophecy - Eternity - The Meaning of Heaven

The New Jerusalem
The most detailed information which the Scriptures give about Heaven pertains to our eternal abode — the New Jerusalem. Twenty verses in Chapter 21 of Revelation are devoted to a description of it.

The information contained in Revelation 21 is not the first reference in the Bible to the New Jerusalem. It is mentioned in Hebrews 11:10 as a city "whose architect and builder is God." Jesus made a reference to it that is recorded in John 14:1-4. He called it His "Father's house," and He said He would prepare a place in it for His Church.

Jesus is currently expanding, embellishing, and beautifying this house which God the Father designed and built. Jesus is preparing it for His bride, just as in Old Testament times a bridegroom would add a room onto his father's house to accommodate himself and his bride.

The city is described in Revelation as beautifully decorated, like "a bride adorned for her husband" (Revelation 21:2). Later, John actually refers to the city as the bride of the Lamb (Revelation 21:9), because the city contains the bride of Christ, His Church.

I believe this implies that at the end of the Millennium all the Redeemed will be taken off the earth and placed in the new Jerusalem which will most likely be suspended in the heavens. From that vantage point we will watch as God burns up this earth and reshapes it like a hot ball of wax into a new earth, a perfected earth like the one which God created in the beginning. Then, we will be lowered down to that new earth inside the new Jerusalem.The city will be spectacular in both size and appearance. It will be in the form of a cube that is 1,500 miles in every direction! And it will reflect "the glory of God" (Revelation 21:11,16).


http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice...venants&Di.pdf

THE ETERNAL STATE
Since the dispensations deal with God’s plan for history, the eternal state is not
considered a dispensation, just as eternity past is one either. Thus, present history ends
with the destruction of the present heavens and earth (2 Pet. 3:10) and the creation of
the new heavens and new earth (Rev. 21:1). The transitional event will be the great
white throne judgment where all unbelievers throughout history will have to give an
account of their rejection of Jesus Christ as their savior and will be judged according to
their works (Rev. 20:11–15), which will result in everyone who appears before God
being cast into the Lake of Fire for all eternity (Rev. 20:14–15). All the believers
throughout the ages will dwell with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit in bliss in the New Jerusalem for all eternity (Rev. 21:1–8). As the bride of Christ,
we shall spend eternity getting to know the Lamb and the Father (Rev. 22:4). There will
be no more testing since that is the purpose of history not eternity. We have a great
future as a believer in Christ for all eternity. Maranatha!

[ShilohRose]

I don't recollect that Mr. Kelley says that the New Jerusalem will be here on this earth during the Millenial reign. I remember him stating that the New Jerusalem would be above the earth, out of the earth's atmosphere.